9/11 Conspiracy

[Capstone]

...there is a LOT of evidence that doesn't need any speculation at all, the fact of the "collapse" events of WTC1, 2 & 7 + the fact that the airliner crashes ( or should I say alleged airliner crashes ) into the WTC towers could not possibly be as alleged by the mainstream media, the argument that "OH BUT THE PLANES WERE GOING SOOOO FAST" is totally without merit in this discussion, the plane shaped gashes just like in RoadRunner cartoons is proof plenty that AMERICA is being lied to about this whole scene.

Please, don't tell me you're a no-planer !

Whether the aircraft deployed on 9/11 were actually hijacked passenger jets or remotely flown military planes/drones (as the famous footage of the undercarriage of the second impacter would seem to indicate), there were, almost certainly, aircraft used in the operation. This is borne out by a huge body of eyewitness testimonies, live television coverage of the second impact (which I saw with my own eyes on the day of the travesty), and a good bit of circumstantial evidence, such as the confusion-fomenting air defense drills and operations that had a good many interceptors playing war games with the Ruskies in freakin' Alaska on that fateful morning (which would not have been a necessary component of a black operation that didn't involve the use of aircraft otherwise far more vulnerable to US air defense systems). They might not have been (and probably weren't) the flights we were told they were, but the evidence strongly suggests that airplanes were used in the false flag attack.

You're right about the visible nature of the three "collapses" caught on tape in NYC. To the least bit discerning eye, the videos alone are quite damning to the official explanation, to say nothing of numerous highly credible eyewitness accounts of belt-like, demolition-style explosions, ETC.

 

[n0spam4me]

...there is a LOT of evidence that doesn't need any speculation at all, the fact of the "collapse" events of WTC1, 2 & 7 + the fact that the airliner crashes ( or should I say alleged airliner crashes ) into the WTC towers could not possibly be as alleged by the mainstream media, the argument that "OH BUT THE PLANES WERE GOING SOOOO FAST" is totally without merit in this discussion, the plane shaped gashes just like in RoadRunner cartoons is proof plenty that AMERICA is being lied to about this whole scene.

Please, don't tell me you're a no-planer !

Whether the aircraft deployed on 9/11 were actually hijacked passenger jets or remotely flown military planes/drones (as the famous footage of the undercarriage of the second impacter would seem to indicate), there were, almost certainly, aircraft used in the operation. This is borne out by a huge body of eyewitness testimonies, live television coverage of the second impact (which I saw with my own eyes on the day of the travesty), and a good bit of circumstantial evidence, such as the confusion-fomenting air defense drills and operations that had a good many interceptors playing war games with the Ruskies in freakin' Alaska on that fateful morning (which would not have been a necessary component of a black operation that didn't involve the use of aircraft otherwise far more vulnerable to US air defense systems). They might not have been (and probably weren't) the flights we were told they were, but the evidence strongly suggests that airplanes were used in the false flag attack.

You're right about the visible nature of the three "collapses" caught on tape in NYC. To the least bit discerning eye, the videos alone are quite damning to the official explanation, to say nothing of numerous highly credible eyewitness accounts of belt-like, demolition-style explosions, ETC.

Given that there may have been ( and I stress MAY HAVE BEEN )
something flying that morning that would give witness the impression that an airliner crashed into the WTC tower(s) however the whole hijacked airliner fiasco is a non-starter for a LOT of reasons.

anyhow, you & I can agree upon the fact that the "collapse" of WTC1, 2 & 7 adds up to damning evidence that there is something going on here that is NOT the product of Islamic Religious Fanatics who hate our freedoms. Though quite probably the real perpetrators of the events of 9/11/2001 do indeed hate our freedoms.

 

[wihosa]

Yes this shit again. It's not going away because the the lie of the Official Conspiracy Theory is so obvious. Building 7 was obviously controlled demolition.

The list of obvious lies include BBC reporting the collapse of B7 BEFORE it happened, the world's most heavily defended building ( the Pentagon) not defending itself, hijackers who could barley fly a Piper Cub piloting a commercial airliner in a 7000 foot dive through a 270degree turn flying low enough to knock down light poles but not touch the ground then vanishing entirely through a fifteen foot hole in the side of the Pentagon which is two foot thick steel reinforced concrete, FBI agents "finding" a highjackers paper passport in the dust of the the twin towers the next day but not his or any other hijackers body, no plane at the "crash site" in Shanksville, no pancaked floors at the bottom of the twin towers not even the steel floor pans on which the concrete was poured - all the concrete and steel floor pans turned to dust, not a single interceptor jet responded to four commercial airliners being hijacked and making U-turns in the sky, cell phone calls made from airliners when at the time it was not possible.

These are some of the most obvious off the top of my head for which there is no believable explanation.

Everyone who believes the OCT is a conspiracy theorist because the theory was never proven in a court so it remains a theory.

Everyone who defends this theory and resists a new independent investigation by a special prosecutor with subpoena power is self delusional, a foolish dupe or working to continue the cover up and protect the mass murderers.

Only a real investigation can restore Americas honor and our place as the defenders of liberty and justice. Examine the evidence but resist theorizing, only a prosecutor with subpoena power in a court of law can determine fact.

We have been living a lie these past thirteen years, demand a REAL investigation!

So then. How were the towers brought down?

Very good question! Why not have a real investigation and find out. Let's put people under oath, let's have a trial. I still believe in the American justice system. I think a special prosecutor with subpoena power can in a court of law determine what is fact and what is fiction.

Think about it, the greatest crime in our nations history and no one was tried, no one convicted?

Nice dodge. You claim the official story is bogus so man up and say what you believe transpired and who is responsible.

Oh I should man up and speculate as to who did what and why. Thats ridiculous, it's enough to say the Official Conspiracy Theory is a lie, which apparently you foolishly believe. The OCT is an obvious lie. I'm calling for a new investigation, what about you, are you man enough to have your belief tested in a court of law?

Pretty whimpy. You would be satisfied with no findings that didn't validate the silliness in your head.
That said, I have no objection to a new investigation provided the finding of some sunstantive evidence that the official story is a lie or that WTC7 was a controlled demo or that there was a gov't cover-up of the truth or that something other than 3 passenger jets hit the WTC and the Pentagon on 9/11. As it is, 13 years after the attack the only options to the official findings are so far-fetched as to leave the official report the only plausible explanation. So ... do you have any evidence of anything other than those provided by the NIST investigation or the 9/11 Commission?

Ok, here's suBstansive evidence - Building 7 collapsed at free fall acceleration for over two seconds (NIST has admitted this fact). In case you don't grasp the implication of this fact it means all the supporting columns were severed at precisely the same moment. An impossible occurance by accident. That is suBstansive evidence that the Official Conspiracy Theory is a lie since according to NIST B7 collapsed due to "normal office fires". No one anywhere has conducted an experiment by which hundreds of structural steel connections failed at the same time due to hydrocarbon fires (normal office fires).
Now take your Official Conspiracy Theory and throw it in the trash because it's garbage.
You my friend are the one who is wearing the tin foil hat!

 

[wihosa]

Yes, I have heard. As with so much to do with 911 it's hard to distinguish between information and dis- information. ...

Senator Graham's comments are in the public domain, as are reports of the bipartisan resolution co-written and formally introduced in late 2013 by Rep. Walter Jones and Rep. Steven Lynch, which calls for Pres. Obama to declassify information that reportedly implicates high-level Saudi involvement in the 9/11 attacks.

The highly irregular Gage interview on C-Span is also a matter of verifiable fact.

...I watched the Richard Gage interview, the first crack in the media blackout. ...

Such "cracks" in the western mainstream don't just happen organically; some number of media bigwigs had to sign-off on that programming content, and the only thing speculative about that revolves around the question as to what may have motivated them to do so.

...I like AE911 Truth because they don't speculate, they stick to what is demonstrably true and call for an independent investigation. ...

I've long admired and in some ways emulated Gage's approach, myself, but, as domestic and geopolitical events have transpired over the past 13 years, I've grown more comfortable with some degree of speculation, so long as it's based on 'the facts on the ground'.

...Speculating though only plays into the hands of those perpetrating the cover up, they can accuse you of wearing a tin foil hat and such. ...

That's just par for the course, much in the same way that anyone critical of the Zionist influence on US foreign policy is automatically labeled an 'anti-Semite'. I don't allow baseless accusations and childish name-calling to shape my opinions/methods, ...and neither should you.

All good points and it's hard not to speculate. All I'm saying is when arguing with the uninitiated it's better to stick to the undeniable lies contained in the Offiical Conspiracy Theory.
It seems most certain that elements of our government and the media were involved but without testimony under oath it's hard to tell who may have been active participants and who were simply dupes or intimidated into silence.

 

[Gamolon]

In case you don't grasp the implication of this fact it means all the supporting columns were severed at precisely the same moment.

That's a lie.

Why did the penthouse collapse into the building first? Try again.

 

[Bush92]

Here is what what happened on 9-11. Some terrorist hijacked planes and flew them into buildings. End of story.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Here is what what happened on 9-11. Some terrorist hijacked planes and flew them into buildings. End of story.

for someone who has Bush as his avatar ,we would expect no less from you. another government paid shill that has penetrated this site obviously.

 

[SAYIT]

In case you don't grasp the implication of this fact it means all the supporting columns were severed at precisely the same moment.

That's a lie.

Why did the penthouse collapse into the building first? Try again.

Indeed fully 13 YEARS after the 9/11 attack on America all the "Truther" Movement has is the same old lies. One must wonder what is their agenda (other than t-shirt and DVD sales) and why the DEATH THREATS and false accusations from the Movement when this ex-"Truther" told the truth:
"I thought the term ‘Truth Movement’ meant that there’d be some search for truth. I was wrong. I was the new Stalin. The poster boy for a mad movement.” - Charlie Veitch

 

[wihosa]

In case you don't grasp the implication of this fact it means all the supporting columns were severed at precisely the same moment.

That's a lie.

Why did the penthouse collapse into the building first? Try again.

What's that supposed to prove?

 

[wihosa]

Here is what what happened on 9-11. Some terrorist hijacked planes and flew them into buildings. End of story.

What about Building 7? No plane flew into it.

 

[wihosa]

In case you don't grasp the implication of this fact it means all the supporting columns were severed at precisely the same moment.

That's a lie.

Why did the penthouse collapse into the building first? Try again.

Indeed fully 13 YEARS after the 9/11 attack on America all the "Truther" Movement has is the same old lies. One must wonder what is their agenda (other than t-shirt and DVD sales) and why the DEATH THREATS and false accusations from the Movement when this ex-"Truther" told the truth:
"I thought the term ‘Truth Movement’ meant that there’d be some search for truth. I was wrong. I was the new Stalin. The poster boy for a mad movement.” - Charlie Veitch

What lie?

 

[SAYIT]

Here is what what happened on 9-11. Some terrorist hijacked planes and flew them into buildings. End of story.

What about Building 7? No plane flew into it.

It was severely damaged by parts of other buildings which collapsed on it and the ensuing fires. What are you suggesting happened to WTC 7?
7 World Trade Center - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[SAYIT]

In case you don't grasp the implication of this fact it means all the supporting columns were severed at precisely the same moment.

That's a lie.

Why did the penthouse collapse into the building first? Try again.

Indeed fully 13 YEARS after the 9/11 attack on America all the "Truther" Movement has is the same old lies. One must wonder what is their agenda (other than t-shirt and DVD sales) and why the DEATH THREATS and false accusations from the Movement when this ex-"Truther" told the truth:
"I thought the term ‘Truth Movement’ meant that there’d be some search for truth. I was wrong. I was the new Stalin. The poster boy for a mad movement.” - Charlie Veitch

What lie?

That something other than the damage caused by hijacked airliners destroyed the WTC buildings.

 

[wihosa]

Here is what what happened on 9-11. Some terrorist hijacked planes and flew them into buildings. End of story.

What about Building 7? No plane flew into it.

It was severely damaged by parts of other buildings which collapsed on it and the ensuing fires. What are you suggesting happened to WTC 7?
7 World Trade Center - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

NIST said collapsed from "normal office fires". Are you saying NIST is lying?

 

[Gamolon]

In case you don't grasp the implication of this fact it means all the supporting columns were severed at precisely the same moment.

That's a lie.

Why did the penthouse collapse into the building first? Try again.

What's that supposed to prove?

That you truthers have to distort the facts to make your conspiracies work. That's just one example.

The penthouse collapsing first makes your claim the "all the supporting columns were severed at the same moment" completely false.

 

[SAYIT]

Here is what what happened on 9-11. Some terrorist hijacked planes and flew them into buildings. End of story.

What about Building 7? No plane flew into it.

It was severely damaged by parts of other buildings which collapsed on it and the ensuing fires. What are you suggesting happened to WTC 7?
7 World Trade Center - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

NIST said collapsed from "normal office fires". Are you saying NIST is lying?

No, I'm saying YOU are lying. Here is what NIST actually said:

As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building...
WTC Disaster Study

...and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon...
The collapse {of the North Tower} also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41...
WTC Disaster Study

So again I ask you what you are suggesting happened to WTC7 that caused it to collapse?

 

[daws101]

realize that none of the so called for truth groups could participate due to conflict of interest laws.

Please cite the law and why different 9/11 truth groups could not offer up evidence?

Conflict of interest
A conflict of interest (COI) is a situation occurring when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation.
why 9/11 groups can not participate in an investigation in a nut shell
they can present "evidence" but cannot investigate said evidence the reason why is obvious.
learn to read.

 

[daws101]

the official report the only plausible explanation.

NIST's WTC 7 Reports: Filled with Fantasy, Fiction, and Fraud

The above quoted from the AE911TRUTH page, There are a LOT of reasons to doubt the official explanation of the events of 9/11/2001. Check this out, it has been around for a while >

The evidence that WTC7 fell in the manner that it did and that WTC1, 2 & 7 were completely destroyed is VERY compelling evidence in-and-of itself.
The fact that the alleged airliners were never accounted for, where & when was any inventory of aircraft bits done? Was it documented that anybody conducted scientific tests for explosives or explosive residue, and if so, where are those documents?
The fact that there are HUGE voids in what should have been standard post disaster procedures speaks volumes!

a&e for truth is not CREDIBLE

Trolling An AE 911 Truth Member
Meet one of the very few structural engineers for AE 9/11 truth, Charles N. Pegelow. He receives a call from a man asking about what he could present as the best piece of evidence they have for the inside job theory. Mr Pegelow starts at around 4:00 minutes to present what he feels is the best piece of evidence.


He states the following," There was 100,00lbs of steel missing and you have to ask the question where did it go." he then proceeds to explain how the steel simply EVAPORATED and it was accomplished by using, in his own words, "a pineapple sized nuclear bomb that melted out the insides."


Later on he dances around the question when asked in another call and he then admits that he hasnt told Gage about his idea because people find it "crazy".


So to top off this post, the petition and group he has associated himself with doesnt believe what Mr. Pegelow believes. Is it the truth they are searching for or just more people with credentials to sign their petition ? Also, if this is what truthers consider as credible source then maybe they lack the understanding of what credible truly means.

Read more at

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THE VIDEO IS A HOOT!

 

[wihosa]

In case you don't grasp the implication of this fact it means all the supporting columns were severed at precisely the same moment.

That's a lie.

Why did the penthouse collapse into the building first? Try again.

What's that supposed to prove?

That you truthers have to distort the facts to make your conspiracies work. That's just one example.

The penthouse collapsing first makes your claim the "all the supporting columns were severed at the same moment" completely false.

Ridiculous, watch the building fall after the penthouse portion the entire structure moves straight down at free fall acceleration, which means that there was zero resistance to load - all the columns were severed.

Sorry but physics says your theory, the Official Conspiracy Theory is a pile of crap.

 

[wihosa]

the official report the only plausible explanation.

NIST's WTC 7 Reports: Filled with Fantasy, Fiction, and Fraud

The above quoted from the AE911TRUTH page, There are a LOT of reasons to doubt the official explanation of the events of 9/11/2001. Check this out, it has been around for a while >

The evidence that WTC7 fell in the manner that it did and that WTC1, 2 & 7 were completely destroyed is VERY compelling evidence in-and-of itself.
The fact that the alleged airliners were never accounted for, where & when was any inventory of aircraft bits done? Was it documented that anybody conducted scientific tests for explosives or explosive residue, and if so, where are those documents?
The fact that there are HUGE voids in what should have been standard post disaster procedures speaks volumes!

a&e for truth is not CREDIBLE

Trolling An AE 911 Truth Member
Meet one of the very few structural engineers for AE 9/11 truth, Charles N. Pegelow. He receives a call from a man asking about what he could present as the best piece of evidence they have for the inside job theory. Mr Pegelow starts at around 4:00 minutes to present what he feels is the best piece of evidence.


He states the following," There was 100,00lbs of steel missing and you have to ask the question where did it go." he then proceeds to explain how the steel simply EVAPORATED and it was accomplished by using, in his own words, "a pineapple sized nuclear bomb that melted out the insides."


Later on he dances around the question when asked in another call and he then admits that he hasnt told Gage about his idea because people find it "crazy".


So to top off this post, the petition and group he has associated himself with doesnt believe what Mr. Pegelow believes. Is it the truth they are searching for or just more people with credentials to sign their petition ? Also, if this is what truthers consider as credible source then maybe they lack the understanding of what credible truly means.

Read more at

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THE VIDEO IS A HOOT!

Your a hoot! AE911 Truth has over 2000 licensed Architects and Engineers, very few indeed. Don't forget these professionals have put their careers and good names on the line by signing the petition.

As for Mr. Pegelow, he made the mistake of speculating, something that Richard Gage does not engage in. But it is a plausible explanation, suitcase nukes do exist.

Why don't you explain how all the concrete floors turned to dust. Not broken concrete but dust. And don't try the bull about the pancaking effect because the steel floor pans are gone too. The floor pans are corrugated steel upon which the concrete floors are poured. Even if the concrete could entirley turn to dust, which it can't, where did the floor pans go? If the Official Conspiracy Theory is true and the floors pancaked turning the concrete to dust there should be a stack of floor pans. There isn't.

I don't speculate, I just point out how completely ridiculous the Official Conspiracy Theory is. This is why we need a real investigation.