9/11 After A Decade: Have We Learned Anything?

[daws101]

It seems a lot of people can only think in terms of a positive and cannot comprehend eliminating a negative.

Conspiracies are irrelevant. The question is, "Can a NORMAL airliner destroy a skyscraper 2000 the mass of the plane in less than two hours?"

Whether it could or not the physics profession should be able to explain it in detail one way or the other and more than 80% of physicists should be willing to publicly agree with the explanation.

But after TEN YEARS they don't even discuss how the steel was distributed in the towers just so they could hold themselves up much less how a couple of measly airliners could destroy them. The physicists should have shot this crap down in 2002. But after nine more years how can they possibly say that planes could not do it without making themselves look stupid? It would mean they let America go to war over a lie and they knew it ahead of time.

psik

Many are afraid to go against the governments version, because they may depend on it for work, and they don't want to be blacklisted.
That is why the ones who have spoken out and done the calculations are so brave.
It is up to the American people to look at what the claims are for themselves, but many are too cowardly to even think their own government may be hiding something.
It's easier to grab an American flag and join the rest of the stupid herd, and blame boogeymen for all the problems they experience, and let the perps continuously stonewall them, destroy what is left of America, and obliterate their Constitutional rights, not to mention the ponzi scheme style economy that is built on fiat currency and depends on debt to "grow"

It is appalling how fucking stupid and ignorant our so called "fellow" Americans are.

see post#36...

 

[lehr]

by Paul Craig Roberts
August 24, 2011

In a few days it will be the tenth anniversary of September 11, 2001. How well has the US government’s official account of the event held up over the decade?

Not very well. The chairman, vice chairman, and senior legal counsel of the 9/11 Commission wrote books partially disassociating themselves from the commission’s report. They said that the Bush administration put obstacles in their path, that information was withheld from them, that President Bush agreed to testify only if he was chaperoned by Vice President Cheney and neither were put under oath, that Pentagon and FAA officials lied to the commission and that the commission considered referring the false testimony for investigation for obstruction of justice.

In their book, the chairman and vice chairman, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, wrote that the 9/11 Commission was “set up to fail.” Senior counsel John Farmer, Jr., wrote that the US government made “a decision not to tell the truth about what happened,” and that the NORAD “tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public.” Kean said, “We to this day don’t know why NORAD told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth.”

Most of the questions from the 9/11 families were not answered. Important witnesses were not called. The commission only heard from those who supported the government’s account. The commission was a controlled political operation, not an investigation of events and evidence. Its membership consisted of former politicians. No knowledgeable experts were appointed to the commission.

One member of the 9/11 Commission, former Senator Max Cleland, responded to the constraints placed on the commission by the White House: “If this decision stands, I, as a member of the commission, cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of victims, and say the commission had full access. This investigation is now compromised.” Cleland resigned rather than have his integrity compromised.

To be clear, neither Cleland nor members of the commission suggested that 9/11 was an inside job to advance a war agenda. Nevertheless, neither Congress nor the media wondered, at least not out loud, why President Bush was unwilling to appear before the commission under oath or without Cheney, why Pentagon and FAA officials lied to the commission or, if the officials did not lie, why the commission believed they lied, or why the White House resisted for so long any kind of commission being formed, even one under its control.

One would think that if a handful of Arabs managed to outwit not merely the CIA and FBI but all 16 US intelligence agencies, all intelligence agencies of our allies including Mossad, the National Security Council, the State Department, NORAD, airport security four times on one morning, air traffic control, etc., the President, Congress, and the media would be demanding to know how such an improbable event could occur. Instead, the White House put up a wall of resistance to finding out, and Congress and the media showed little interest.

During the decade that has passed, numerous 9/11 Truth organizations have formed.

There are Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, Remember Building 7.org, and a New York group which includes 9/11 families. These groups call for a real investigation.

David Ray Griffen has written 10 carefully researched books documenting problems in the government’s account. Scientists have pointed out that the government has no explanation for the molten steel. NIST has been forced to admit that WTC 7 was in free fall for part of its descent, and a scientific team led by a professor of nano-chemistry at the University of Copenhagen has reported finding nano-thermite in the dust from the buildings.

9/11 should be called " EIGHT YEARS OF KLINTONS ZIPPER "

 

[Rozman]

9/11 After A Decade: Have We Learned Anything?

Not really, no.

You think by now if there were some Conspiracy or something new there would have been some major news story about it.Not just some ramblings from the wack jobs on message boards looking for attention.

 

[Mr. Jones]

9/11 After A Decade: Have We Learned Anything?

Not really, no.

You think by now if there were some Conspiracy or something new there would have been some major news story about it.Not just some ramblings from the wack jobs on message boards looking for attention.

You mean like the word getting out...like the Manhattan Project where there were 130,000 people involved and at a cost of 2 billion$?
Your too big to not have a leak cop out is a fail, besides there have been numerous whistle blowers who have come forward, but you wouldn't know about them since you probably only believe the MSM and what comes out of your brain washing box you call a TV.

You are in no position to debate 9-11 if you don't know what the hell you're talking about or what the issues really are.

 

[Mr. Jones]

It seems a lot of people can only think in terms of a positive and cannot comprehend eliminating a negative.

Conspiracies are irrelevant. The question is, "Can a NORMAL airliner destroy a skyscraper 2000 the mass of the plane in less than two hours?"

Whether it could or not the physics profession should be able to explain it in detail one way or the other and more than 80% of physicists should be willing to publicly agree with the explanation.

But after TEN YEARS they don't even discuss how the steel was distributed in the towers just so they could hold themselves up much less how a couple of measly airliners could destroy them. The physicists should have shot this crap down in 2002. But after nine more years how can they possibly say that planes could not do it without making themselves look stupid? It would mean they let America go to war over a lie and they knew it ahead of time.

psik

The answer is yes, normal airliners can and did knock down the towers.
Kind of a dumb ass statement when you consider that in ww2 Kamikaze pilots sank U.S. AIRCRAFT CARRIERS.. 1000'S OF TIMES THEIR MASS,,,
Your so called postulation would only be correct if the mass of the towers was solid...it was not,

Boats/ships get inundated with WATER when they develop a leak dumbass,... no comparison. Learn something before you speak about 9-11, and make stupid comparisons.
Again 3 buildings, 2 planes, kerosene as fuel to destroy massive steel buildings, in 10 secs. no resistance by the lower structures, uniform roof line acceleration... and no reasonable explanation except your stupid posts and gifs for responses,, but that's what we have come to expect from Dawgshit101.

 

[Rozman]

Not really, no.

You think by now if there were some Conspiracy or something new there would have been some major news story about it.Not just some ramblings from the wack jobs on message boards looking for attention.

You mean like the word getting out...like the Manhattan Project where there were 130,000 people involved and at a cost of 2 billion$?
Your too big to not have a leak cop out is a fail, besides there have been numerous whistle blowers who have come forward, but you wouldn't know about them since you probably only believe the MSM and what comes out of your brain washing box you call a TV.

You are in no position to debate 9-11 if you don't know what the hell you're talking about or what the issues really are.

Sorry I'm not buying into the black ops theory.
I'm not buying into thermite charges wired into the columns over a holiday weekend.
I'm not buying into some disgruntled worker going into Chinatown every day for lunch
and bringing back firecrackers and having his friends plant them in the ceilings....

I'm not buying into any of this horseshit.
You expect people to believe not one,not two but three buildings were set up to be demolished in a controlled demolition.

bite me...

 

[daws101]

Not really, no.

You think by now if there were some Conspiracy or something new there would have been some major news story about it.Not just some ramblings from the wack jobs on message boards looking for attention.

You mean like the word getting out...like the Manhattan Project where there were 130,000 people involved and at a cost of 2 billion$?
Your too big to not have a leak cop out is a fail, besides there have been numerous whistle blowers who have come forward, but you wouldn't know about them since you probably only believe the MSM and what comes out of your brain washing box you call a TV.

You are in no position to debate 9-11 if you don't know what the hell you're talking about or what the issues really are.

 

[Mr. Jones]

You think by now if there were some Conspiracy or something new there would have been some major news story about it.Not just some ramblings from the wack jobs on message boards looking for attention.

You mean like the word getting out...like the Manhattan Project where there were 130,000 people involved and at a cost of 2 billion$?
Your too big to not have a leak cop out is a fail, besides there have been numerous whistle blowers who have come forward, but you wouldn't know about them since you probably only believe the MSM and what comes out of your brain washing box you call a TV.

You are in no position to debate 9-11 if you don't know what the hell you're talking about or what the issues really are.

No shit Sherlock!! look around you...you're posting in the conspiracy section of the USMB!! OMG TOO DAMNED HILARIOUS!!

 

[Mr. Jones]

You think by now if there were some Conspiracy or something new there would have been some major news story about it.Not just some ramblings from the wack jobs on message boards looking for attention.

You mean like the word getting out...like the Manhattan Project where there were 130,000 people involved and at a cost of 2 billion$?
Your too big to not have a leak cop out is a fail, besides there have been numerous whistle blowers who have come forward, but you wouldn't know about them since you probably only believe the MSM and what comes out of your brain washing box you call a TV.

You are in no position to debate 9-11 if you don't know what the hell you're talking about or what the issues really are.

Sorry I'm not buying into the black ops theory.
I'm not buying into thermite charges wired into the columns over a holiday weekend.
I'm not buying into some disgruntled worker going into Chinatown every day for lunch
and bringing back firecrackers and having his friends plant them in the ceilings....

I'm not buying into any of this horseshit.
You expect people to believe not one,not two but three buildings were set up to be demolished in a controlled demolition.

bite me...

No but you believe the horseshit NIST and the gov feed you, probably without doing a bit of actual research concerning the credible skeptics and their counter theories. You expect not one not two, but 3 buildings collapsing in almost perfect symmetry, by dying office fires, all the while falling through the path of MOST resistance?
The point is, that just because the how, or who hasn't been explained yet, doesn't mean it is plausible to assume they could be destroyed like that. And WTF are you talking about firecrackers???
Man, you have absolutely no fucking clue what the real issues are do you?
Stay the hell away from the so called "debunker" sites dude...Are they really saying a disgruntled worker did it with firecracker?!!!!
Ha ha!! OMG This is too much...no wonder you don't know shit.

 

[yidnar]

Yes....we have learned that liberals are so stupid that their tiny little gender confused reptilian minds can't grasp the fact that Islam is the enemy!!

 

[Rozman]

You mean like the word getting out...like the Manhattan Project where there were 130,000 people involved and at a cost of 2 billion$?
Your too big to not have a leak cop out is a fail, besides there have been numerous whistle blowers who have come forward, but you wouldn't know about them since you probably only believe the MSM and what comes out of your brain washing box you call a TV.

You are in no position to debate 9-11 if you don't know what the hell you're talking about or what the issues really are.

Sorry I'm not buying into the black ops theory.
I'm not buying into thermite charges wired into the columns over a holiday weekend.
I'm not buying into some disgruntled worker going into Chinatown every day for lunch
and bringing back firecrackers and having his friends plant them in the ceilings....

I'm not buying into any of this horseshit.
You expect people to believe not one,not two but three buildings were set up to be demolished in a controlled demolition.

bite me...

No but you believe the horseshit NIST and the gov feed you, probably without doing a bit of actual research concerning the credible skeptics and their counter theories. You expect not one not two, but 3 buildings collapsing in almost perfect symmetry, by dying office fires, all the while falling through the path of MOST resistance?
The point is, that just because the how, or who hasn't been explained yet, doesn't mean it is plausible to assume they could be destroyed like that. And WTF are you talking about firecrackers???
Man, you have absolutely no fucking clue what the real issues are do you?
Stay the hell away from the so called "debunker" sites dude...Are they really saying a disgruntled worker did it with firecracker?!!!!
Ha ha!! OMG This is too much...no wonder you don't know shit.

You jackoffs are throwing out possibilities without any proof...Why is my theory not accepted.

 

[daws101]

It seems a lot of people can only think in terms of a positive and cannot comprehend eliminating a negative.

Conspiracies are irrelevant. The question is, "Can a NORMAL airliner destroy a skyscraper 2000 the mass of the plane in less than two hours?"

Whether it could or not the physics profession should be able to explain it in detail one way or the other and more than 80% of physicists should be willing to publicly agree with the explanation.

But after TEN YEARS they don't even discuss how the steel was distributed in the towers just so they could hold themselves up much less how a couple of measly airliners could destroy them. The physicists should have shot this crap down in 2002. But after nine more years how can they possibly say that planes could not do it without making themselves look stupid? It would mean they let America go to war over a lie and they knew it ahead of time.

psik

The answer is yes, normal airliners can and did knock down the towers.
Kind of a dumb ass statement when you consider that in ww2 Kamikaze pilots sank U.S. AIRCRAFT CARRIERS.. 1000'S OF TIMES THEIR MASS,,,
Your so called postulation would only be correct if the mass of the towers was solid...it was not,

Boats/ships get inundated with WATER when they develop a leak dumbass,... no comparison. Learn something before you speak about 9-11, and make stupid comparisons.
Again 3 buildings, 2 planes, kerosene as fuel to destroy massive steel buildings, in 10 secs. no resistance by the lower structures, uniform roof line acceleration... and no reasonable explanation except your stupid posts and gifs for responses,, but that's what we have come to expect from Dawgshit101.

your ignorance slip is showing, the point (unlike the one on the top of your skull) was that psik and you don't know shit about physics ,engineering or much of anything else...back to my point ,the planes were traveling around 600mph and weighed several tons, at that speed they were carrying a HUGE amount of kinetic energy...just like the Kamikaze planes .
when the airliners struck, that energy was transferred forcefully into the towers fatally damaging the structures . like a big bullet.
the other thing you intentionally missed was psik's dumb ass comment about "mass" he (like yourself) is laboring under the delusion that the wtc's were solid objects .
to state the painfully obvious, they, like everything else is mostly empty space.
the wtc's like all skyscrapers were surprisingly delicate, one or two strikes in the right place and it's over...BTW I explained the same way I would to a 5th grader...so you'd understand.

 

[Zona]

We get attacked on 9/11 and to retaliate, we go to war with Iraq (which nothing to do with the attack).

Only the republicans can make sense of this. Damn.

 

[Mr. Jones]

The answer is yes, normal airliners can and did knock down the towers.
Kind of a dumb ass statement when you consider that in ww2 Kamikaze pilots sank U.S. AIRCRAFT CARRIERS.. 1000'S OF TIMES THEIR MASS,,,
Your so called postulation would only be correct if the mass of the towers was solid...it was not,

Boats/ships get inundated with WATER when they develop a leak dumbass,... no comparison. Learn something before you speak about 9-11, and make stupid comparisons.
Again 3 buildings, 2 planes, kerosene as fuel to destroy massive steel buildings, in 10 secs. no resistance by the lower structures, uniform roof line acceleration... and no reasonable explanation except your stupid posts and gifs for responses,, but that's what we have come to expect from Dawgshit101.

your ignorance slip is showing, the point (unlike the one on the top of your skull) was that psik and you don't know shit about physics ,engineering or much of anything else...back to my point ,the planes were traveling around 600mph and weighed several tons, at that speed they were carrying a HUGE amount of kinetic energy...just like the Kamikaze planes .
when the airliners struck, that energy was transferred forcefully into the towers fatally damaging the structures . like a big bullet.
the other thing you intentionally missed was psik's dumb ass comment about "mass" he (like yourself) is laboring under the delusion that the wtc's were solid objects .
to state the painfully obvious, they, like everything else is mostly empty space.
the wtc's like all skyscrapers were surprisingly delicate, one or two strikes in the right place and it's over...BTW I explained the same way I would to a 5th grader...so you'd understand.

Bullshit, the towers withstood the plane impacts like they were designed to. There were holes in the sides of them...air got in...Kamakaze strikes on ships create holes too...only WATER gets in fatally sinking the ships..You're comparison sucks, so does your thinking and logic.
You don't seem to know jack shit about the physics involved in the wtc destruction. Again 2 planes completely destroyed 3 massive buildings, with uniform roof line acceleration, in around 10 secs.
Fire is blamed...All caused by 19 Arabs with box cutters, on the same day as military drills that confused the shit out of the defenses.

Your too stupid to even question that BS storyline, despite the vast discrepancies that don't add up to what was told, it just goes through your empty head. Morons like you give critical thinking Americans a bad name.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

You mean like the word getting out...like the Manhattan Project where there were 130,000 people involved and at a cost of 2 billion$?
Your too big to not have a leak cop out is a fail, besides there have been numerous whistle blowers who have come forward, but you wouldn't know about them since you probably only believe the MSM and what comes out of your brain washing box you call a TV.

You are in no position to debate 9-11 if you don't know what the hell you're talking about or what the issues really are.

No shit Sherlock!! look around you...you're posting in the conspiracy section of the USMB!! OMG TOO DAMNED HILARIOUS!!

whats really hysterical about his post is only the Bush dupes are seeking attention.their lives are so pathetic they quote me when they KNOW I have them on ignore and talk to me as though they think i am reading it.how pathetic their lives are that they are in that need of attention so badly that they feel the need to talk to themselves.

 

[uscitizen]

We did learn that Iraq had nothing to do with 911, but that it made no difference on our war.

After all we invaded them to bring them democracy.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

We get attacked on 9/11 and to retaliate, we go to war with Iraq (which nothing to do with the attack).

Only the republicans can make sense of this. Damn.

which is WHY The Bush administration should be prosecuted and put behind bars.there was no evidence of weapons of mass destruction and yet Bush invaded them but you Bush dupes are too stupid to grasp this that he isnt behind bars since it was an inside job.

thats like FDR invading mexico for the japense bombing peral harbour.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Boats/ships get inundated with WATER when they develop a leak dumbass,... no comparison. Learn something before you speak about 9-11, and make stupid comparisons.
Again 3 buildings, 2 planes, kerosene as fuel to destroy massive steel buildings, in 10 secs. no resistance by the lower structures, uniform roof line acceleration... and no reasonable explanation except your stupid posts and gifs for responses,, but that's what we have come to expect from Dawgshit101.

your ignorance slip is showing, the point (unlike the one on the top of your skull) was that psik and you don't know shit about physics ,engineering or much of anything else...back to my point ,the planes were traveling around 600mph and weighed several tons, at that speed they were carrying a HUGE amount of kinetic energy...just like the Kamikaze planes .
when the airliners struck, that energy was transferred forcefully into the towers fatally damaging the structures . like a big bullet.
the other thing you intentionally missed was psik's dumb ass comment about "mass" he (like yourself) is laboring under the delusion that the wtc's were solid objects .
to state the painfully obvious, they, like everything else is mostly empty space.
the wtc's like all skyscrapers were surprisingly delicate, one or two strikes in the right place and it's over...BTW I explained the same way I would to a 5th grader...so you'd understand.

Bullshit, the towers withstood the plane impacts like they were designed to. There were holes in the sides of them...air got in...Kamakaze strikes on ships create holes too...only WATER gets in fatally sinking the ships..You're comparison sucks, so does your thinking and logic.
You don't seem to know jack shit about the physics involved in the wtc destruction. Again 2 planes completely destroyed 3 massive buildings, with uniform roof line acceleration, in around 10 secs.
Fire is blamed...All caused by 19 Arabs with box cutters, on the same day as military drills that confused the shit out of the defenses.

Your too stupid to even question that BS storyline, despite the vast discrepancies that don't add up to what was told, it just goes through your empty head. Morons like you give critical thinking Americans a bad name.

as usual troll daws kid got schooled major big time by you like he does everyday by people in the jfk and 9/11 threads.He is so easy to school its unreal that he is no challenge at all. Like all loyal Bush dupes,he slept through junior high science classes and then got into drugs unless he was born retarded which is more likely.

 

[DiamondDave]

We get attacked on 9/11 and to retaliate, we go to war with Iraq (which nothing to do with the attack).

Only the republicans can make sense of this. Damn.

which is WHY The Bush administration should be prosecuted and put behind bars.there was no evidence of weapons of mass destruction and yet Bush invaded them but you Bush dupes are too stupid to grasp this that he isnt behind bars since it was an inside job.

thats like FDR invading mexico for the japense bombing peral harbour.

Maybe you should read any and all information... such as the terms of cease fire and the numerous violations that justified the continuation of suspended hostilities...

idiot troofer

 

[Mr. Jones]

We did learn that Iraq had nothing to do with 911, but that it made no difference on our war.

After all we invaded them to bring them democracy.

Yeah remember all the hype trying to connect Iraq? The Plame fiasco?
No WMDs, wasted money, and lives. Same with Afghanistan. 9-11 was the kickoff to fulfill the PNAC agenda. You would think there would come a time in everyone's thinking that stuff just does not add up. I don't understand why some folks try to defend the corrupt liars, when it is so obvious, there's 10 years of obfuscations, and discrepancies.
Even the OBL "raid" is extremely questionable, and now AlQaeda are good guys in Libya?
C'mon now enough is enough.