8th Grader arrested and suspended for wearing NRA T-Shirt to school

[JakeStarkey]

How funny, mainstream and left of center is trying to protect public safety while the reactionaries want to disrupt it.

 

[Misty]

"…the student is facing charges which include obstruction and disturbing the education process."

Disturbing the education process? What kind of nazi ass law is that?

 

[JakeStarkey]

"…the student is facing charges which include obstruction and disturbing the education process."

Disturbing the education process? What kind of nazi ass law is that?

It is a law of We the People, and if you think that is nazi, miss, you need to go visit parts of the former Yugoslavia.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Following the illogic of the people supporting the teacher in this topic, a teacher can demand a student remove an Obama T-shirt just because the teacher disagrees with his politics.

The teacher’s motives or actions didn’t justify the student’s response, hence the arrest. If the student perceived the teacher’s actions as wrong, that should be for his parents and the school administration to determine, not the student.

The student's response to his 1st amendment rights was completely justified up and until the point of physical confrontation.
It's unclear exactly who escalated the situation to the point where police were needed. If it was the boy, he was wrong, but will likely not be prosecuted because of the likely lawsuit over the violation of his civil rights. If it was the teacher who escalated, this will become VERY expensive for the school district and the teacher.

No.

There are no first amendment rights in the 8th grade.

Even if there were, where did the govenment take away this kid's rights?

The school has the responsibility to keep all students safe and this kid got into an altercation with the teacher. And, the teacher has the right be safe from students.

Finally, some of you might want to read the links. You know, for FACTS.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

"…the student is facing charges which include obstruction and disturbing the education process."

Disturbing the education process? What kind of nazi ass law is that?

What do you tell your kids when they break school rules?

The rules concerning dress are very clear and both the kid and his parents were bound by them.

If the kid/parent don't want to abide by the school rules, they should home school or send him to a school they agree with. As long as he attends that school, he is bound by that school's rules.

Do you agree?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

What is ignored here is that the NRA does advocate violence.

A shirt that says NRA on it advocates violence and doesn't belong in school but it sounds like the kid got into some sort of altercation with the teacher. They're becoming as looney as tea baggers.A kid that age can be the size of an adult. Teacher was right, parent is wrong.

Nothing wrong with the NRA or wearing a shirt with it's logo and I've never seen the NRA advocate violence. Keep cheering for these gun grabbers till we get like England where nobody can own a gun. These are the issues that are turning me away from voting democrat anymore. If the school didn't want to deal with these issues then maybe require school uniforms.

You're wrong.

Read the school rules.

Should students and parents have to abide by the school rules or not?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Does their sudden silence mean they finally read the link and now know how wrong their whine was?

 

[bripat9643]

The teacher’s motives or actions didn’t justify the student’s response, hence the arrest. If the student perceived the teacher’s actions as wrong, that should be for his parents and the school administration to determine, not the student.

The student's response to his 1st amendment rights was completely justified up and until the point of physical confrontation.
It's unclear exactly who escalated the situation to the point where police were needed. If it was the boy, he was wrong, but will likely not be prosecuted because of the likely lawsuit over the violation of his civil rights. If it was the teacher who escalated, this will become VERY expensive for the school district and the teacher.

The teacher's first amendment rights as a teacher precedes that of students.

Check it.

Once the boy is told to sit down and be quiet, it's over.

Wrong again, Fakey. The teacher has no First Amendment rights in his function as teacher. He teaches what he''s told to teach, and not one thing more.

If the boy doesn't obey teacher's orders, he may be subject to discipline, but that doesn't make him subject to arrest. However, a boot-licking Nazi like you doesn't understand the distinction between breaking the rules and breaking the law.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

School rules:

"A student will not dress or groom in a manner that disrupts the educational process or is detrimental to the health, safety or welfare of others. A student will not dress in a manner that is distractive or indecent, to the extent that it interferes with the teaching and learning process, including wearing any apparel that displays or promotes any drug-, alcohol- or tobacco-related product that is prohibited in school buildings, on school grounds, in school-leased or owned vehicles, and at all school-affiliated functions."

Should the kid and his parent have to abide by these rules or not?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Just another NRA radical. They brainwash them young.

And the NRA/nutters want to add guns to this?

What could possibly go wrong?

DUMB.

 

[OriginalShroom]

1 - If the school allows "message" clothing, they have to allow all message clothing. Not just messages they like. Since there was nothing in the report rule which would have forbidden the student from wearing that message, the teacher was wrong to demand he remove it. The teacher was wrong to comment on it all.

That is why, when my son was in school, I supported a dress code that disallowed any king of printing on clothing except for the school name.

2 - Only if the student threatened or actually got physical with the teacher should they had been arrested. By "getting physical, I mean being the first to touch the other. If the teacher grabbed his body or clothing in an attempt to force him to comply with their demands, the student would be justified in using minimal force to get away from them. Teachers can not grab a student or their clothing in a case like this.

3 - Who ever escalated the argument by yelling or cussing, they were wrong.

 

[OriginalShroom]

School rules:

"A student will not dress or groom in a manner that disrupts the educational process or is detrimental to the health, safety or welfare of others. A student will not dress in a manner that is distractive or indecent, to the extent that it interferes with the teaching and learning process, including wearing any apparel that displays or promotes any drug-, alcohol- or tobacco-related product that is prohibited in school buildings, on school grounds, in school-leased or owned vehicles, and at all school-affiliated functions."

Should the kid and his parent have to abide by these rules or not?

The shirt did not violate any of those rules, so they did abide by them.

 

[OriginalShroom]

If a student refuses to follow a teacher's instruction, and that resistance becomes vocal, yes, call the police.

In other words, public schools are for Authoritarian indoctrination?

Students are not in charge at a public school, any more than you would be as a parent, for instance.

We were having a Parents night at school while the school board was having a meeting. The HS principal walked in and said he had a parent who supposedly told a teacher that if he ever touched her child in discipline that she would kill him. Principal asked for advice.

I called told the Superintendent to call the police and have her arrested for a terroristic threat. She was handcuffed and led out in front of several hundred people. The magistrate put her under an insurance bond the next day after a night in jail. Never had any more problems like that.

In other words, you right wing reactionary freaks are subject to law and order as are the rest of us in a We the People constitutional republic.

Please take your Sovereign Citizen movement and shove it up your ass.

So where is the link to this story, not a story about a woman who threatened to blow up a school.. Two very different things.

 

[Ernie S.]

The teacher’s motives or actions didn’t justify the student’s response, hence the arrest. If the student perceived the teacher’s actions as wrong, that should be for his parents and the school administration to determine, not the student.

The student's response to his 1st amendment rights was completely justified up and until the point of physical confrontation.
It's unclear exactly who escalated the situation to the point where police were needed. If it was the boy, he was wrong, but will likely not be prosecuted because of the likely lawsuit over the violation of his civil rights. If it was the teacher who escalated, this will become VERY expensive for the school district and the teacher.

The teacher's first amendment rights as a teacher precedes that of students.

Check it.

Once the boy is told to sit down and be quiet, it's over.

That doesn't preclude his right to wear a shirt. The State's rights do not EVER precede the rights of the individual

 

[Noomi]

Unfrikking believeable.

I would guess that a Teacher and School Administrator were Liberal Gun Grabbers and still butthurt over the Gungrabber bills losing in the Senate so they took their anger out on this young man.

8th grader gun T-shirt arrest: Arrest for NRA t-shirt has a father outraged - Jacksonville Top News | Examiner.com

New details on the 8th grader gun T-shirt arrest story have came in. Jared Marcum, an eighth grade student who attends Logan Middle School in West Virginia, has been arrested because he wore an NRA T-shirt. On April 19, Yahoo! revealed that the boy was suspended and is now facing charges for wearing the shirt to school which contained an image of a gun printed on it with the words "Protect Your Right."

After getting in a dispute with a teacher at the school, Marcum was arrested. He was shocked when he was arrested and he told WBOY that he didn't think there would be an issue.

“"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this. There shouldn't be a problem with this," Marcum said.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri is outraged at his 8th grade son's gun T-shirt arrest arrest and he told the local media,

“"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

According to Logan Middle School, there policy regarding dress is as follows:

“"A student will not dress or groom in a manner that disrupts the educational process or is detrimental to the health, safety or welfare of others. A student will not dress in a manner that is distractive or indecent, to the extent that it interferes with the teaching and learning process, including wearing any apparel that displays or promotes any drug-, alcohol- or tobacco-related product that is prohibited in school buildings, on school grounds, in school-leased or owned vehicles, and at all school-affiliated functions."

The boy's father, Allen Lardieri, doesn't believe that the shirt violates the policy. He later said,

“"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again."

Jared Marcum was released, however the student is facing charges which include obstruction and disturbing the education process.

I wonder if the school allows those pro-gay T-Shirts?

He's a child, and I bet the father bought the shirt for his son to make a political point. A child should not be attending school in such a tshirt, especially not after what happened at Sandy Hook.

 

[Ernie S.]

That's funny! Depends on what the rules are for American Airlines. There is no free speech when engaging a company's product: in this case, airline travel.

Exactly! There IS in public schools. The school had no right to suspend and arrest the boy for wearing a tee-shirt.

If not in violation of school policy that is equally applied, you are right.

But if the boy got loud and vocal, then he falls under public safety procedures.

If he got loud and vocal, it was in defense of his Constitutional rights and completely understandable. If the teacher got loud and vocal first, he was justified.
I'll be interested in seeing how this pays out. I'll bet that charges are dropped and the teacher is fired.

 

[Ernie S.]

"…the student is facing charges which include obstruction and disturbing the education process."

Disturbing the education process? What kind of nazi ass law is that?

Good question! Didn't the teacher initiate the disturbance?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Exactly! There IS in public schools. The school had no right to suspend and arrest the boy for wearing a tee-shirt.

If not in violation of school policy that is equally applied, you are right.

But if the boy got loud and vocal, then he falls under public safety procedures.

If he got loud and vocal, it was in defense of his Constitutional rights and completely understandable. If the teacher got loud and vocal first, he was justified.
I'll be interested in seeing how this pays out. I'll bet that charges are dropped and the teacher is fired.

I doubt it. No child has the right to disrupt a classroom, period.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The student's response to his 1st amendment rights was completely justified up and until the point of physical confrontation.
It's unclear exactly who escalated the situation to the point where police were needed. If it was the boy, he was wrong, but will likely not be prosecuted because of the likely lawsuit over the violation of his civil rights. If it was the teacher who escalated, this will become VERY expensive for the school district and the teacher.

The teacher's first amendment rights as a teacher precedes that of students.

Check it.

Once the boy is told to sit down and be quiet, it's over.

That doesn't preclude his right to wear a shirt. The State's rights do not EVER precede the rights of the individual

The rights of public safety always outweighs the right of a person's speech rights. No one gets to yell 'fire' in a theatre. No one is allowed to get overly vocal and belligerent with a teacher. The teacher is in charge and responsible for the welfare of the class, to which all class members must submit. Protocol exists for students to afterwards express complaints.

No one wonder the libertarian nonsense never gets much in the way of votes.

 

[Ernie S.]

The teacher’s motives or actions didn’t justify the student’s response, hence the arrest. If the student perceived the teacher’s actions as wrong, that should be for his parents and the school administration to determine, not the student.

The student's response to his 1st amendment rights was completely justified up and until the point of physical confrontation.
It's unclear exactly who escalated the situation to the point where police were needed. If it was the boy, he was wrong, but will likely not be prosecuted because of the likely lawsuit over the violation of his civil rights. If it was the teacher who escalated, this will become VERY expensive for the school district and the teacher.

No.

There are no first amendment rights in the 8th grade.

Even if there were, where did the govenment take away this kid's rights?

The school has the responsibility to keep all students safe and this kid got into an altercation with the teacher. And, the teacher has the right be safe from students.

Finally, some of you might want to read the links. You know, for FACTS.

The kid wore a tee-shirt. the tee-shirt didn't threaten the teacher's or anyone else's right to be safe from anyone. Had the state employee just kept her progressive group-think to herself, there would have been no confrontation, you silly bastard.

EDIT: Ooops, I called you a silly bastard. I thought I was responding to Jake.
My humble apologies. That should have read, "you ignorant asshole".