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In the richest nation on earth. That’s a lot of poor suffering Americans.


What a great country!
Pandemic Swells Medicaid Enrollment to 80 Million People, a ‘High-Water Mark’

Pretty good indication we need universal healthcare like the UK, Europe, Scandinavia, Israel, Canada, Austrailia and the Gulf States.
What do you do about the problem of medical care over-consumption and under-supply resulting in price inflation that’s already happening under existing government health insurance systems? What about the costs associated with implementing such a system, just go further into debt to fund it?

The countries/continents you pointed out don’t carry our current debt and structural deficit burdens, not to mention the fact that they’re in part relying on U.S. obligations to provide for their national defense and thus carry a lower burden in that department as well. They also have their own scarcity issues of medical care along with the fact that they enjoy lower drug prices thanks the fact that American consumers shoulder the lions share of the burden of pharma R & D costs for them.

“Universal care” isn’t the silver bullet that some make it out to be, there are A LOT of questions that need to be addressed before traveling down that road.

Do you know what cost shifting is? Have you noticed private insurance premiums going up? You are already paying for seniors, indigents and million dollar premature infants.

Its all about priorities or maybe we really aren't smart enough or compassionate enough to pull it off.
Yeah, I’m intimately familiar with the fact that costs can be shifted, however shifted costs don’t mean that those costs VANISH, they’re still there and what you’re proposing doesn’t solve the problem since it doesn’t address the root cause of rising costs, it EXACERBATES them by further disconnecting the consumer from the cost of service and encouraging OVER-CONSUMPTION, insufficient supply meet artificially induced increased demand.

Overconsumption isn't a problem. 60% of the healthcare dollar goes to seniors, premature babies and those with chronic diseases. The young, working family uses very little of the healthcare dollar.
And what are your beloved Rs doing about this?
Planning more tax cuts for the billionaires no doubt.

It's all they know.
I received a tax cut from Trump and I’m not a billionaire. Care to explain?
Yet based on the recent ProPublica report, it’s possible that you had a higher effective tax rate than the top 25 billionaires in the country. So instead of giving you a tax cut, what Trump really should have given you is access to those billionaires armies of attorney’s, accountants, financial advisors and lobbyists.

So much for our “progressive” tax code, huh?

Hahahahahaha. You have nothing.


A dozen facts about the economics of the US health-care system


U.S. per capita health-care spending nearly quadrupled from 1980 to 2018. Spending on U.S. health …
U.S. health-care spending is almost twice as high as the OECD average. The United States spends …
Most health-care spending is on hospitals and professional services. U.S. health-care spending is …
Five percent of Americans accounted for half of all U.S. health-care spending in 2017. Health-care
It’s a system built on greed. What has increased more in cost over the past 40 years than HC? Maybe college tuition? Higher education and HC costs have gone straight up. Two terribly corrupt industries.

What a country!
 

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In the richest nation on earth. That’s a lot of poor suffering Americans.


What a great country!
Pandemic Swells Medicaid Enrollment to 80 Million People, a ‘High-Water Mark’

Pretty good indication we need universal healthcare like the UK, Europe, Scandinavia, Israel, Canada, Austrailia and the Gulf States.
What do you do about the problem of medical care over-consumption and under-supply resulting in price inflation that’s already happening under existing government health insurance systems? What about the costs associated with implementing such a system, just go further into debt to fund it?

The countries/continents you pointed out don’t carry our current debt and structural deficit burdens, not to mention the fact that they’re in part relying on U.S. obligations to provide for their national defense and thus carry a lower burden in that department as well. They also have their own scarcity issues of medical care along with the fact that they enjoy lower drug prices thanks the fact that American consumers shoulder the lions share of the burden of pharma R & D costs for them.

“Universal care” isn’t the silver bullet that some make it out to be, there are A LOT of questions that need to be addressed before traveling down that road.

Do you know what cost shifting is? Have you noticed private insurance premiums going up? You are already paying for seniors, indigents and million dollar premature infants.

Its all about priorities or maybe we really aren't smart enough or compassionate enough to pull it off.
Yeah, I’m intimately familiar with the fact that costs can be shifted, however shifted costs don’t mean that those costs VANISH, they’re still there and what you’re proposing doesn’t solve the problem since it doesn’t address the root cause of rising costs, it EXACERBATES them by further disconnecting the consumer from the cost of service and encouraging OVER-CONSUMPTION, insufficient supply meet artificially induced increased demand.

Overconsumption isn't a problem. 60% of the healthcare dollar goes to seniors, premature babies and those with chronic diseases. The young, working family uses very little of the healthcare dollar.
And what are your beloved Rs doing about this?
Planning more tax cuts for the billionaires no doubt.

It's all they know.
I received a tax cut from Trump and I’m not a billionaire. Care to explain?
Yet based on the recent ProPublica report, it’s possible that you had a higher effective tax rate than the top 25 billionaires in the country. So instead of giving you a tax cut, what Trump really should have given you is access to those billionaires armies of attorney’s, accountants, financial advisors and lobbyists.

So much for our “progressive” tax code, huh?

Hahahahahaha. You have nothing.


A dozen facts about the economics of the US health-care system


U.S. per capita health-care spending nearly quadrupled from 1980 to 2018. Spending on U.S. health …
U.S. health-care spending is almost twice as high as the OECD average. The United States spends …
Most health-care spending is on hospitals and professional services. U.S. health-care spending is …
Five percent of Americans accounted for half of all U.S. health-care spending in 2017. Health-care
It’s a system built on greed. What has increased more in cost over the past 40 years than HC? Maybe college tuition? Higher education and HC costs have gone straight up. Two terribly corrupt industries.

What a country!

Automobiles, housing have also gone way up.. The only bargain left is gasoline.
 

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In the richest nation on earth. That’s a lot of poor suffering Americans.


What a great country!
Pandemic Swells Medicaid Enrollment to 80 Million People, a ‘High-Water Mark’

Pretty good indication we need universal healthcare like the UK, Europe, Scandinavia, Israel, Canada, Austrailia and the Gulf States.
What do you do about the problem of medical care over-consumption and under-supply resulting in price inflation that’s already happening under existing government health insurance systems? What about the costs associated with implementing such a system, just go further into debt to fund it?

The countries/continents you pointed out don’t carry our current debt and structural deficit burdens, not to mention the fact that they’re in part relying on U.S. obligations to provide for their national defense and thus carry a lower burden in that department as well. They also have their own scarcity issues of medical care along with the fact that they enjoy lower drug prices thanks the fact that American consumers shoulder the lions share of the burden of pharma R & D costs for them.

“Universal care” isn’t the silver bullet that some make it out to be, there are A LOT of questions that need to be addressed before traveling down that road.

Do you know what cost shifting is? Have you noticed private insurance premiums going up? You are already paying for seniors, indigents and million dollar premature infants.

Its all about priorities or maybe we really aren't smart enough or compassionate enough to pull it off.
Yeah, I’m intimately familiar with the fact that costs can be shifted, however shifted costs don’t mean that those costs VANISH, they’re still there and what you’re proposing doesn’t solve the problem since it doesn’t address the root cause of rising costs, it EXACERBATES them by further disconnecting the consumer from the cost of service and encouraging OVER-CONSUMPTION, insufficient supply meet artificially induced increased demand.

Overconsumption isn't a problem. 60% of the healthcare dollar goes to seniors, premature babies and those with chronic diseases. The young, working family uses very little of the healthcare dollar.
And what are your beloved Rs doing about this?
Planning more tax cuts for the billionaires no doubt.

It's all they know.
I received a tax cut from Trump and I’m not a billionaire. Care to explain?
Yet based on the recent ProPublica report, it’s possible that you had a higher effective tax rate than the top 25 billionaires in the country. So instead of giving you a tax cut, what Trump really should have given you is access to those billionaires armies of attorney’s, accountants, financial advisors and lobbyists.

So much for our “progressive” tax code, huh?

Hahahahahaha. You have nothing.


A dozen facts about the economics of the US health-care system


U.S. per capita health-care spending nearly quadrupled from 1980 to 2018. Spending on U.S. health …
U.S. health-care spending is almost twice as high as the OECD average. The United States spends …
Most health-care spending is on hospitals and professional services. U.S. health-care spending is …
Five percent of Americans accounted for half of all U.S. health-care spending in 2017. Health-care
It’s a system built on greed. What has increased more in cost over the past 40 years than HC? Maybe college tuition? Higher education and HC costs have gone straight up. Two terribly corrupt industries.

What a country!
Again, what would you do differently. You bitch nonstop but never provide an alternative. What a man.....I am sorry, bitch.
 
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In the richest nation on earth. That’s a lot of poor suffering Americans.


What a great country!
Pandemic Swells Medicaid Enrollment to 80 Million People, a ‘High-Water Mark’

Pretty good indication we need universal healthcare like the UK, Europe, Scandinavia, Israel, Canada, Austrailia and the Gulf States.
What do you do about the problem of medical care over-consumption and under-supply resulting in price inflation that’s already happening under existing government health insurance systems? What about the costs associated with implementing such a system, just go further into debt to fund it?

The countries/continents you pointed out don’t carry our current debt and structural deficit burdens, not to mention the fact that they’re in part relying on U.S. obligations to provide for their national defense and thus carry a lower burden in that department as well. They also have their own scarcity issues of medical care along with the fact that they enjoy lower drug prices thanks the fact that American consumers shoulder the lions share of the burden of pharma R & D costs for them.

“Universal care” isn’t the silver bullet that some make it out to be, there are A LOT of questions that need to be addressed before traveling down that road.

Do you know what cost shifting is? Have you noticed private insurance premiums going up? You are already paying for seniors, indigents and million dollar premature infants.

Its all about priorities or maybe we really aren't smart enough or compassionate enough to pull it off.
Yeah, I’m intimately familiar with the fact that costs can be shifted, however shifted costs don’t mean that those costs VANISH, they’re still there and what you’re proposing doesn’t solve the problem since it doesn’t address the root cause of rising costs, it EXACERBATES them by further disconnecting the consumer from the cost of service and encouraging OVER-CONSUMPTION, insufficient supply meet artificially induced increased demand.

Overconsumption isn't a problem. 60% of the healthcare dollar goes to seniors, premature babies and those with chronic diseases. The young, working family uses very little of the healthcare dollar.
And what are your beloved Rs doing about this?
Planning more tax cuts for the billionaires no doubt.

It's all they know.
I received a tax cut from Trump and I’m not a billionaire. Care to explain?
Yet based on the recent ProPublica report, it’s possible that you had a higher effective tax rate than the top 25 billionaires in the country. So instead of giving you a tax cut, what Trump really should have given you is access to those billionaires armies of attorney’s, accountants, financial advisors and lobbyists.

So much for our “progressive” tax code, huh?

Hahahahahaha. You have nothing.


A dozen facts about the economics of the US health-care system


U.S. per capita health-care spending nearly quadrupled from 1980 to 2018. Spending on U.S. health …
U.S. health-care spending is almost twice as high as the OECD average. The United States spends …
Most health-care spending is on hospitals and professional services. U.S. health-care spending is …
Five percent of Americans accounted for half of all U.S. health-care spending in 2017. Health-care
It’s a system built on greed. What has increased more in cost over the past 40 years than HC? Maybe college tuition? Higher education and HC costs have gone straight up. Two terribly corrupt industries.

What a country!

Automobiles, housing have also gone way up.. The only bargain left is gasoline.
True, yet we’re being told inflation is nonexistent.
 
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In the richest nation on earth. That’s a lot of poor suffering Americans.


What a great country!
Pandemic Swells Medicaid Enrollment to 80 Million People, a ‘High-Water Mark’

Pretty good indication we need universal healthcare like the UK, Europe, Scandinavia, Israel, Canada, Austrailia and the Gulf States.
What do you do about the problem of medical care over-consumption and under-supply resulting in price inflation that’s already happening under existing government health insurance systems? What about the costs associated with implementing such a system, just go further into debt to fund it?

The countries/continents you pointed out don’t carry our current debt and structural deficit burdens, not to mention the fact that they’re in part relying on U.S. obligations to provide for their national defense and thus carry a lower burden in that department as well. They also have their own scarcity issues of medical care along with the fact that they enjoy lower drug prices thanks the fact that American consumers shoulder the lions share of the burden of pharma R & D costs for them.

“Universal care” isn’t the silver bullet that some make it out to be, there are A LOT of questions that need to be addressed before traveling down that road.

Do you know what cost shifting is? Have you noticed private insurance premiums going up? You are already paying for seniors, indigents and million dollar premature infants.

Its all about priorities or maybe we really aren't smart enough or compassionate enough to pull it off.
Yeah, I’m intimately familiar with the fact that costs can be shifted, however shifted costs don’t mean that those costs VANISH, they’re still there and what you’re proposing doesn’t solve the problem since it doesn’t address the root cause of rising costs, it EXACERBATES them by further disconnecting the consumer from the cost of service and encouraging OVER-CONSUMPTION, insufficient supply meet artificially induced increased demand.

Overconsumption isn't a problem. 60% of the healthcare dollar goes to seniors, premature babies and those with chronic diseases. The young, working family uses very little of the healthcare dollar.
And what are your beloved Rs doing about this?
Planning more tax cuts for the billionaires no doubt.

It's all they know.
I received a tax cut from Trump and I’m not a billionaire. Care to explain?
Yet based on the recent ProPublica report, it’s possible that you had a higher effective tax rate than the top 25 billionaires in the country. So instead of giving you a tax cut, what Trump really should have given you is access to those billionaires armies of attorney’s, accountants, financial advisors and lobbyists.

So much for our “progressive” tax code, huh?

Hahahahahaha. You have nothing.


A dozen facts about the economics of the US health-care system


U.S. per capita health-care spending nearly quadrupled from 1980 to 2018. Spending on U.S. health …
U.S. health-care spending is almost twice as high as the OECD average. The United States spends …
Most health-care spending is on hospitals and professional services. U.S. health-care spending is …
Five percent of Americans accounted for half of all U.S. health-care spending in 2017. Health-care
It’s a system built on greed. What has increased more in cost over the past 40 years than HC? Maybe college tuition? Higher education and HC costs have gone straight up. Two terribly corrupt industries.

What a country!
Again, what would you do differently. You bitch nonstop but never provide an alternative. What a man.....I am sorry, bitch.
Stay close to me and I’ll teach you well, my son.
 

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Your ad hominem hysteria aside, you essentially launched into a rhapsodic rendition of "If I ruled the world."

I prefer to deal with reality, not your personal fantasies that are divorced from the practical matter of actual governance. Your ideological dogma is irrelevant to the cogent matter that all the other most advanced nations on earth are democratic and have achieved virtually universal coverage of their citizens at an average cost that is considerably lower than that of the United States.

Don't be so pissy. Appreciate your enjoying the benefits of living in America.





The reality is that we live in a welfare state where the filthy government steals money from productive people and gives it to welfare queens and that is despicable.

Most people on Medicaid are working poor. Same with food stamps, unless you count seniors.


I don't give a shit. It is their responsibility to pay their own bills.

Using the government to steal money from me to pay their health care bills is nothing more than common thievery and it is despicable like all thievery.

These stupid people elect Liberals in government and everything gets fucks up including the cost of health care and then they wonder why things went wrong.

The best way to not be poor is to stop electing Liberals to government.
 

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In the richest nation on earth. That’s a lot of poor suffering Americans.


What a great country!
Pandemic Swells Medicaid Enrollment to 80 Million People, a ‘High-Water Mark’

Pretty good indication we need universal healthcare like the UK, Europe, Scandinavia, Israel, Canada, Austrailia and the Gulf States.
What do you do about the problem of medical care over-consumption and under-supply resulting in price inflation that’s already happening under existing government health insurance systems? What about the costs associated with implementing such a system, just go further into debt to fund it?

The countries/continents you pointed out don’t carry our current debt and structural deficit burdens, not to mention the fact that they’re in part relying on U.S. obligations to provide for their national defense and thus carry a lower burden in that department as well. They also have their own scarcity issues of medical care along with the fact that they enjoy lower drug prices thanks the fact that American consumers shoulder the lions share of the burden of pharma R & D costs for them.

“Universal care” isn’t the silver bullet that some make it out to be, there are A LOT of questions that need to be addressed before traveling down that road.

Do you know what cost shifting is? Have you noticed private insurance premiums going up? You are already paying for seniors, indigents and million dollar premature infants.

Its all about priorities or maybe we really aren't smart enough or compassionate enough to pull it off.
Yeah, I’m intimately familiar with the fact that costs can be shifted, however shifted costs don’t mean that those costs VANISH, they’re still there and what you’re proposing doesn’t solve the problem since it doesn’t address the root cause of rising costs, it EXACERBATES them by further disconnecting the consumer from the cost of service and encouraging OVER-CONSUMPTION, insufficient supply meet artificially induced increased demand.

Overconsumption isn't a problem. 60% of the healthcare dollar goes to seniors, premature babies and those with chronic diseases. The young, working family uses very little of the healthcare dollar.
And what are your beloved Rs doing about this?
Planning more tax cuts for the billionaires no doubt.

It's all they know.
I received a tax cut from Trump and I’m not a billionaire. Care to explain?
Yet based on the recent ProPublica report, it’s possible that you had a higher effective tax rate than the top 25 billionaires in the country. So instead of giving you a tax cut, what Trump really should have given you is access to those billionaires armies of attorney’s, accountants, financial advisors and lobbyists.

So much for our “progressive” tax code, huh?

Hahahahahaha. You have nothing.


A dozen facts about the economics of the US health-care system


U.S. per capita health-care spending nearly quadrupled from 1980 to 2018. Spending on U.S. health …
U.S. health-care spending is almost twice as high as the OECD average. The United States spends …
Most health-care spending is on hospitals and professional services. U.S. health-care spending is …
Five percent of Americans accounted for half of all U.S. health-care spending in 2017. Health-care
It’s a system built on greed. What has increased more in cost over the past 40 years than HC? Maybe college tuition? Higher education and HC costs have gone straight up. Two terribly corrupt industries.

What a country!
Again, what would you do differently. You bitch nonstop but never provide an alternative. What a man.....I am sorry, bitch.
Stay close to me and I’ll teach you well, my son.
Deflection. We have been going back and forth here for nearly what four years? You have yet to provide a solution, you just bitch nonstop.
 

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Your ad hominem hysteria aside, you essentially launched into a rhapsodic rendition of "If I ruled the world."

I prefer to deal with reality, not your personal fantasies that are divorced from the practical matter of actual governance. Your ideological dogma is irrelevant to the cogent matter that all the other most advanced nations on earth are democratic and have achieved virtually universal coverage of their citizens at an average cost that is considerably lower than that of the United States.

Don't be so pissy. Appreciate your enjoying the benefits of living in America.





The reality is that we live in a welfare state where the filthy government steals money from productive people and gives it to welfare queens and that is despicable.

Most people on Medicaid are working poor. Same with food stamps, unless you count seniors.


I don't give a shit. It is their responsibility to pay their own bills.

Using the government to steal money from me to pay their health care bills is nothing more than common thievery and it is despicable like all thievery.

These stupid people elect Liberals in government and everything gets fucks up including the cost of health care and then they wonder why things went wrong.

The best way to not be poor is to stop electing Liberals to government.

You are already paying, dimwit. That's what cost shifting is all about. You are paying for the chronically ill and the million dollar premature baby.
 

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A dozen facts about the economics of the US health-care system


U.S. per capita health-care spending nearly quadrupled from 1980 to 2018. Spending on U.S. health …
U.S. health-care spending is almost twice as high as the OECD average. The United States spends …
Most health-care spending is on hospitals and professional services. U.S. health-care spending is …
Five percent of Americans accounted for half of all U.S. health-care spending in 2017. Health-care
 

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You are already paying, dimwit. That's what cost shifting is all about. You are paying for the chronically ill and the million dollar premature baby.
For some, true democracy is the equivalent of being a Roman emperor with the power to satisfy personal whims with a thumb.

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Your ad hominem hysteria aside, you essentially launched into a rhapsodic rendition of "If I ruled the world."

I prefer to deal with reality, not your personal fantasies that are divorced from the practical matter of actual governance. Your ideological dogma is irrelevant to the cogent matter that all the other most advanced nations on earth are democratic and have achieved virtually universal coverage of their citizens at an average cost that is considerably lower than that of the United States.

Don't be so pissy. Appreciate your enjoying the benefits of living in America.





The reality is that we live in a welfare state where the filthy government steals money from productive people and gives it to welfare queens and that is despicable.

Most people on Medicaid are working poor. Same with food stamps, unless you count seniors.


I don't give a shit. It is their responsibility to pay their own bills.

Using the government to steal money from me to pay their health care bills is nothing more than common thievery and it is despicable like all thievery.

These stupid people elect Liberals in government and everything gets fucks up including the cost of health care and then they wonder why things went wrong.

The best way to not be poor is to stop electing Liberals to government.

You are already paying, dimwit. That's what cost shifting is all about. You are paying for the chronically ill and the million dollar premature baby.


I have already explained to you that if cost sharing is voluntary like in private insurance then that is fine. A person has a choice.

A fucking welfare state where the government steals money from productive people and gives away to greedy shitheads is not fine. That is thievery.

Do you even know the difference? Even after it has been explained to you?
 

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Your ad hominem hysteria aside, you essentially launched into a rhapsodic rendition of "If I ruled the world."

I prefer to deal with reality, not your personal fantasies that are divorced from the practical matter of actual governance. Your ideological dogma is irrelevant to the cogent matter that all the other most advanced nations on earth are democratic and have achieved virtually universal coverage of their citizens at an average cost that is considerably lower than that of the United States.

Don't be so pissy. Appreciate your enjoying the benefits of living in America.





The reality is that we live in a welfare state where the filthy government steals money from productive people and gives it to welfare queens and that is despicable.

Most people on Medicaid are working poor. Same with food stamps, unless you count seniors.


I don't give a shit. It is their responsibility to pay their own bills.

Using the government to steal money from me to pay their health care bills is nothing more than common thievery and it is despicable like all thievery.

These stupid people elect Liberals in government and everything gets fucks up including the cost of health care and then they wonder why things went wrong.

The best way to not be poor is to stop electing Liberals to government.

You are already paying, dimwit. That's what cost shifting is all about. You are paying for the chronically ill and the million dollar premature baby.


I have already explained to you that if cost sharing is voluntary like in private insurance then that is fine. A person has a choice.

A fucking welfare state where the government steals money from productive people and gives away to greedy shitheads is not fine. That is thievery.

Do you even know the difference? Even after it has been explained to you?

No cost shifting is NOT voluntary. Do know what it is?

Hospital pricing: cost shifting and competition
The issue of cost shifting has taken on enormous policy implications. It is estimated that unsponsored and undercompensated hospital costs--one measure of cost shifting--has totaled $21.5 billion in 1991
 

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Your ad hominem hysteria aside, you essentially launched into a rhapsodic rendition of "If I ruled the world."

I prefer to deal with reality, not your personal fantasies that are divorced from the practical matter of actual governance. Your ideological dogma is irrelevant to the cogent matter that all the other most advanced nations on earth are democratic and have achieved virtually universal coverage of their citizens at an average cost that is considerably lower than that of the United States.

Don't be so pissy. Appreciate your enjoying the benefits of living in America.





The reality is that we live in a welfare state where the filthy government steals money from productive people and gives it to welfare queens and that is despicable.

Most people on Medicaid are working poor. Same with food stamps, unless you count seniors.


I don't give a shit. It is their responsibility to pay their own bills.

Using the government to steal money from me to pay their health care bills is nothing more than common thievery and it is despicable like all thievery.

These stupid people elect Liberals in government and everything gets fucks up including the cost of health care and then they wonder why things went wrong.

The best way to not be poor is to stop electing Liberals to government.

You are already paying, dimwit. That's what cost shifting is all about. You are paying for the chronically ill and the million dollar premature baby.


I have already explained to you that if cost sharing is voluntary like in private insurance then that is fine. A person has a choice.

A fucking welfare state where the government steals money from productive people and gives away to greedy shitheads is not fine. That is thievery.

Do you even know the difference? Even after it has been explained to you?

No cost shifting is NOT voluntary. Do know what it is?

Hospital pricing: cost shifting and competition
The issue of cost shifting has taken on enormous policy implications. It is estimated that unsponsored and undercompensated hospital costs--one measure of cost shifting--has totaled $21.5 billion in 1991


You are really dense, aren't you?

I said it was fine if it was voluntary. The fact that it is not voluntary in too many cases is to be scorned and ridiculed.

Pull your head out of your ass.
 
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In the richest nation on earth. That’s a lot of poor suffering Americans.


What a great country!
Pandemic Swells Medicaid Enrollment to 80 Million People, a ‘High-Water Mark’

Pretty good indication we need universal healthcare like the UK, Europe, Scandinavia, Israel, Canada, Austrailia and the Gulf States.
What do you do about the problem of medical care over-consumption and under-supply resulting in price inflation that’s already happening under existing government health insurance systems? What about the costs associated with implementing such a system, just go further into debt to fund it?

The countries/continents you pointed out don’t carry our current debt and structural deficit burdens, not to mention the fact that they’re in part relying on U.S. obligations to provide for their national defense and thus carry a lower burden in that department as well. They also have their own scarcity issues of medical care along with the fact that they enjoy lower drug prices thanks the fact that American consumers shoulder the lions share of the burden of pharma R & D costs for them.

“Universal care” isn’t the silver bullet that some make it out to be, there are A LOT of questions that need to be addressed before traveling down that road.

Do you know what cost shifting is? Have you noticed private insurance premiums going up? You are already paying for seniors, indigents and million dollar premature infants.

Its all about priorities or maybe we really aren't smart enough or compassionate enough to pull it off.
Yeah, I’m intimately familiar with the fact that costs can be shifted, however shifted costs don’t mean that those costs VANISH, they’re still there and what you’re proposing doesn’t solve the problem since it doesn’t address the root cause of rising costs, it EXACERBATES them by further disconnecting the consumer from the cost of service and encouraging OVER-CONSUMPTION, insufficient supply meet artificially induced increased demand.

Overconsumption isn't a problem. 60% of the healthcare dollar goes to seniors, premature babies and those with chronic diseases. The young, working family uses very little of the healthcare dollar.
And what are your beloved Rs doing about this?
Planning more tax cuts for the billionaires no doubt.

It's all they know.
I received a tax cut from Trump and I’m not a billionaire. Care to explain?
Yet based on the recent ProPublica report, it’s possible that you had a higher effective tax rate than the top 25 billionaires in the country. So instead of giving you a tax cut, what Trump really should have given you is access to those billionaires armies of attorney’s, accountants, financial advisors and lobbyists.

So much for our “progressive” tax code, huh?

Hahahahahaha. You have nothing.


A dozen facts about the economics of the US health-care system


U.S. per capita health-care spending nearly quadrupled from 1980 to 2018. Spending on U.S. health …
U.S. health-care spending is almost twice as high as the OECD average. The United States spends …
Most health-care spending is on hospitals and professional services. U.S. health-care spending is …
Five percent of Americans accounted for half of all U.S. health-care spending in 2017. Health-care
It’s a system built on greed. What has increased more in cost over the past 40 years than HC? Maybe college tuition? Higher education and HC costs have gone straight up. Two terribly corrupt industries.

What a country!

Automobiles, housing have also gone way up.. The only bargain left is gasoline.
True, yet we’re being told inflation is nonexistent.
In the richest nation on earth. That’s a lot of poor suffering Americans.


What a great country!
Pandemic Swells Medicaid Enrollment to 80 Million People, a ‘High-Water Mark’

Pretty good indication we need universal healthcare like the UK, Europe, Scandinavia, Israel, Canada, Austrailia and the Gulf States.
What do you do about the problem of medical care over-consumption and under-supply resulting in price inflation that’s already happening under existing government health insurance systems? What about the costs associated with implementing such a system, just go further into debt to fund it?

The countries/continents you pointed out don’t carry our current debt and structural deficit burdens, not to mention the fact that they’re in part relying on U.S. obligations to provide for their national defense and thus carry a lower burden in that department as well. They also have their own scarcity issues of medical care along with the fact that they enjoy lower drug prices thanks the fact that American consumers shoulder the lions share of the burden of pharma R & D costs for them.

“Universal care” isn’t the silver bullet that some make it out to be, there are A LOT of questions that need to be addressed before traveling down that road.

Do you know what cost shifting is? Have you noticed private insurance premiums going up? You are already paying for seniors, indigents and million dollar premature infants.

Its all about priorities or maybe we really aren't smart enough or compassionate enough to pull it off.
Yeah, I’m intimately familiar with the fact that costs can be shifted, however shifted costs don’t mean that those costs VANISH, they’re still there and what you’re proposing doesn’t solve the problem since it doesn’t address the root cause of rising costs, it EXACERBATES them by further disconnecting the consumer from the cost of service and encouraging OVER-CONSUMPTION, insufficient supply meet artificially induced increased demand.

Overconsumption isn't a problem. 60% of the healthcare dollar goes to seniors, premature babies and those with chronic diseases. The young, working family uses very little of the healthcare dollar.
And what are your beloved Rs doing about this?
Planning more tax cuts for the billionaires no doubt.

It's all they know.
I received a tax cut from Trump and I’m not a billionaire. Care to explain?
Yet based on the recent ProPublica report, it’s possible that you had a higher effective tax rate than the top 25 billionaires in the country. So instead of giving you a tax cut, what Trump really should have given you is access to those billionaires armies of attorney’s, accountants, financial advisors and lobbyists.

So much for our “progressive” tax code, huh?

Hahahahahaha. You have nothing.


A dozen facts about the economics of the US health-care system


U.S. per capita health-care spending nearly quadrupled from 1980 to 2018. Spending on U.S. health …
U.S. health-care spending is almost twice as high as the OECD average. The United States spends …
Most health-care spending is on hospitals and professional services. U.S. health-care spending is …
Five percent of Americans accounted for half of all U.S. health-care spending in 2017. Health-care
It’s a system built on greed. What has increased more in cost over the past 40 years than HC? Maybe college tuition? Higher education and HC costs have gone straight up. Two terribly corrupt industries.

What a country!
Again, what would you do differently. You bitch nonstop but never provide an alternative. What a man.....I am sorry, bitch.
Stay close to me and I’ll teach you well, my son.
Deflection. We have been going back and forth here for nearly what four years? You have yet to provide a solution, you just bitch nonstop.
Lol. I know you consider me the most intelligent person you’ve ever met, but I’m not the answer man. I’m just a great man.
 
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A dozen facts about the economics of the US health-care system


U.S. per capita health-care spending nearly quadrupled from 1980 to 2018. Spending on U.S. health …
U.S. health-care spending is almost twice as high as the OECD average. The United States spends …
Most health-care spending is on hospitals and professional services. U.S. health-care spending is …
Five percent of Americans accounted for half of all U.S. health-care spending in 2017. Health-care
All that and now for the first time ever American life spans are for falling. Yet another example we live in a failed state.
 

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A fucking welfare state where the government steals money from productive people and gives away to greedy shitheads is not fine. That is thievery.
The concept of forming a pool to distribute risk is basic to insurance. A reserve is then drawn upon when any member of the risk pool incurs eligible medical expenses. Optimizing the size of the risk pool minimizes the cost - as does the standardization and uniformity of the inevitable bureaucratic support systems via economy of scale. Thus, the actuarial advantage under the approach of all advanced democratic nations that insure everyone for less.
 

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A fucking welfare state where the government steals money from productive people and gives away to greedy shitheads is not fine. That is thievery.
The concept of forming a pool to distribute risk is basic to insurance. A reserve is then drawn upon when any member of the risk pool incurs eligible medical expenses. Optimizing the size of the risk pool minimizes the cost - as does the standardization and uniformity of the inevitable bureaucratic support systems via economy of scale. Thus, the actuarial advantage under the approach of all advanced democratic nations that insure everyone for less.


Yes and if it is a voluntary pool then everything is fine.

Except the filthy ass government fucks that up.

It puts restrictions on where you can buy the insurance.

Obamacare added a bunch of useless shit to kiss the ass of the Libtards in it that ran up the cost of premiums and that is despicable.

The government needs to stay out of the business of regulating health care just like they need to stay out of the business of fucking everything else up.
 

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problem of a shrinking middle class existed long before the Covid pandemic.
I agree

But liberal democrat panic and overreaction has made the middle class shrink faster thanks to the shutdown
 

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A fucking welfare state where the government steals money from productive people and gives away to greedy shitheads is not fine. That is thievery.
The concept of forming a pool to distribute risk is basic to insurance. A reserve is then drawn upon when any member of the risk pool incurs eligible medical expenses. Optimizing the size of the risk pool minimizes the cost - as does the standardization and uniformity of the inevitable bureaucratic support systems via economy of scale. Thus, the actuarial advantage under the approach of all advanced democratic nations that insure everyone for less.


Yes and if it is a voluntary pool then everything is fine.

Except the filthy ass government fucks that up.

It puts restrictions on where you can buy the insurance.

Obamacare added a bunch of useless shit to kiss the ass of the Libtards in it that ran up the cost of premiums and that is despicable.

The government needs to stay out of the business of regulating health care just like they need to stay out of the business of fucking everything else up.

Cost SHIFTING not cost sharing. Do you know the difference?
 

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A fucking welfare state where the government steals money from productive people and gives away to greedy shitheads is not fine. That is thievery.
The concept of forming a pool to distribute risk is basic to insurance. A reserve is then drawn upon when any member of the risk pool incurs eligible medical expenses. Optimizing the size of the risk pool minimizes the cost - as does the standardization and uniformity of the inevitable bureaucratic support systems via economy of scale. Thus, the actuarial advantage under the approach of all advanced democratic nations that insure everyone for less.

The pooling os risk is NOT what cost shifting is about.
 

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