74 school shootings in 77 weeks...Worth it's own thread.

[martybegan]

That one blew me away. I was working the DM board screaming about this but what was astonishing was the number of individuals who agreed that he should have been arrested. I was beyond jaw dropped.

Um, actually, he was inciting a riot.

That's against the law anywhere.

Pissing off some lady is "inciting a riot???"

Lol, keep sucking that authoritarian dick Joe. Slurp Slurp Slurp.

A Liberty GB spokesman said: "Mr Weston was standing on the steps of Winchester Guildhall, addressing the passers-by in the street with a megaphone.

"He quoted an excerpt about Islam from the book The River War by Winston Churchill.

"Reportedly, a woman came out of the Guildhall and asked Mr Weston if he had the authorisation to make this speech.

"When he answered that he didn't, she told him: 'It's disgusting', and then called the police.

"Six or seven officers arrived. They talked with the people standing nearby, asking questions about what had happened.

"The police had a long discussion with Mr Weston, lasting about 40 minutes.

"At about 3pm he was arrested. They searched him, put him in a police van and took him away."

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[KissMy]

Uh, no, not really.

Every year we have 32,000 gun deaths, and 96,000 deaths due to negligent health care providers (which would include nurses, PA's, pharmacists).

So maybe they are THREE times worse.

-- There are 700,000 physicians in the United States.
-- There are 120,000 accidental deaths in the United States caused by physicians every year, and the accidental death percentage per physician is 0.171.
-- There are 80 million gun owners in the United States.
-- There are 1,500 accidental deaths from guns every year, regardless of age group, and the accidental death percentage per gun owner is 0.0000188.

As I pointed out, doctors are 9,000 times more deadly than gun owners.

Coca-Cola & soda-pop they inspired kill even more than doctors, plus it has caused our healthcare crisis. Why haven't you banned soda-pop yet?

Oh, wow, did you get that off a crazy NRA website?

Man, you know, I know most of you guys are compensating for tiny penises, but the way you are all grabbing your crotches is hilarious.

GUNS SAVE LIVES!!! Soda-Pop does not, Why haven't you banned soda-pop yet?

Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year.

Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used at least 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.

Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606). And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."

 

[Ernie S.]

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So only those who agree with your nugbag ideas get freedom of speech in your perfect world? You know, Joe, I find you one of the most pathetic, unbalanced, disingenuous people at USMB, but I support even your right to spew your bullshit.

Guy, you're gun-toting asshole with deep mental problems.

And, no, the fact is the British have had some problems with hate crimes, and this sounds like a pretty reasonable way of dealing with them.

I'm a gun toting CITIZEN with the right to keep and bear arms and to call you an asshole any damned time I like.

If a British citizen can't quote Winston Churchill, THAT sure as hell isn't reasonable.

Damn Joe! You wouldn't last 10 minutes here.

 

[Ernie S.]

They have few gang bangers and drug dealers too. We could cut our homicide rate in half overnight if we got rid of them, all without infringing the rights of law abiding people.

Uh, no, we wouldn't. Because most gun deaths are domestic homicides, suicides and accidents.

Guns are the problem.

Period.

The sooner we disabuse ourselves of this notion that every irresponsible asshole as a "right" to a gun, the better.

Bullshit! Most gun deaths ARE between people that know each other, but the FBI, in its infinite wisdom, considers rival drug gangs "acquaintances".

Joe! The "studies" you keep quoting and jawing about have been debunked a dozen times over. When you gonna learn, boy?

 

[Ernie S.]

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Yeah showing tits and ass and dropping the F bomb is a great measure of free speech but getting thrown in jail for quoting Winston Churchill is OK

NO, getting thrown in jail for being a racist asshole is okay.

Is getting thrown in jail for calling someone a racist asshole ok with you, then?

Is it the racist part you have a problem with? Because if it's the asshole part, you sure as hell belong in a prison cell.

 

[Ernie S.]

Uh, no, we wouldn't. Because most gun deaths are domestic homicides, suicides and accidents.

Guns are the problem.

Period.

The sooner we disabuse ourselves of this notion that every irresponsible asshole as a "right" to a gun, the better.

Guns aren't the problem, people are the problem.

No, people with guns are the problem.

Countries where they don't let people have guns. No problem.

Like Cuba? When are you leaving?

 

[Ernie S.]

No, people with guns are the problem.

Countries where they don't let people have guns. No problem.

Damn you're good at ignoring reality, gun homicides don't even make it in the top 10 causes of death in the US. Every thought you're concentrating on the wrong problem?

Um, no.

While I would like to get rid of heart disease and cancer, they are probably going to happen regardless. Guns are a solvable problem.

Then I suggest you go on a one man crusade to revoke the 2nd Amendment. Please start here in Southern Alabama.

 

[TemplarKormac]

74 school shootings in the past 77 weeks.

Not 74 chemical bombings, not 74 stabbings, not 74 bows and arrows, not 74 hatchet attacks. The common denominator (do I need to define that term for you?) is guns.

If you Ammo-sexuals want to keep, sleep with and insert your guns into your privates because I really think it's that sick, then figure out a way to stop this epidemic.

This data tells me that the parents of these kids are pretty much out of touch with their kids, so start with them.

Do something besides shoving the 2nd Amendment in my face and whining about your ******* rights. Your rights end when innocent people who cannot protect themselves die.

School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook | Everytown for Gun Safety - School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook

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Date
City
State
School Name
School Type
1. 1/08/2013 Fort Myers FL Apostolic Revival Center Christian School K-12
2. 1/10/2013 Taft CA Taft Union High School K-12
3. 1/15/2013 St. Louis MO Stevens Institute of Business & Arts College/University
4. 1/15/2013 Hazard KY Hazard Community and Technical College College/University
5. 1/16/2013 Chicago IL Chicago State University College/University
6. 1/22/2013
Houston TX Lone Star College North Harris Campus College/University
7. 1/31/2013 Atlanta GA Price Middle School K-12
8. 2/1/2013 Atlanta GA Morehouse College College/University
9. 2/7/2013 Fort Pierce FL Indian River St. College College/University
10. 2/13/2013 San Leandro CA Hillside Elementary School K-12
11. 2/27/2013 Atlanta GA Henry W. Grady HS K-12
12. 3/18/2013 Orlando FL University of Central Florida College/University
13. 3/21/2013 Southgate MI Davidson Middle School K-12
14. 4/12/2013 Christianburg VA New River Community College College/University
15. 4/13/2013 Elizabeth City NC Elizabeth City State University College/University
16. 4/15/2013 Grambling LA Grambling State University College/University
17. 4/16/2013 Tuscaloosa AL Stillman College College/University
18. 4/29/2013 Cincinnati OH La Salle High School K-12
19. 6/7/2013 Santa Monica CA Santa Monica College College/University
20. 6/19/2013 W. Palm Beach FL Alexander W. Dreyfoos School of the Arts K-12
21. 8/15/2013 Clarksville TN Northwest High School K-12
22. 8/20/2013 Decatur GA Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy K-12
23. 8/22/2013 Memphis TN Westside Elementary School K-12
24. 8/23/2013 Sardis MS North Panola High School K-12
25. 8/30/2013 Winston-Salem NC Carver High School K-12
26. 9/21/2013 Savannah GA Savannah State University College/University
27. 9/28/2013 Gray ME New Gloucester High School K-12
28. 10/4/2013 Pine Hills FL Agape Christian Academy K-12
29. 10/15/2013 Austin TX Lanier High School K-12
30. 10/21/2013 Sparks NV Sparks Middle School K-12
31. 11/1/2013 Algona IA Algona High/Middle School K-12
32. 11/2/2013 Greensboro NC North Carolina A&T State University College/University
33. 11/3/2013 Stone Mountain GA Stephenson High School K-12
34. 11/21/2013 Rapid City SD South Dakota School of Mines & Technology College/University
35. 12/4/2013 Winter Garden FL West Orange High School K-12
36. 12/13/2013 Arapahoe County CO Arapahoe High School K-12
37. 12/19/2013 Fresno CA Edison High School K-12
38. 1/9/2014 Jackson TN Liberty Technology Magnet HS K-12
39. 1/14/2014 Roswell NM Berrendo Middle School K-12
40. 1/15/2014 Lancaster PA Martin Luther King Jr. ES K-12
41. 1/17/2014 Philadelphia PA Delaware Valley Charter HS K-12
42. 1/20/2014 Chester PA Widener University College/University
43. 1/21/2014 West Lafayette IN Purdue University College/University
44. 1/24/2014 Orangeburg SC South Carolina State University College/University
45. 1/28/2014 Nashville TN Tennessee State University College/University
46. 1/28/2014 Grambling LA Grambling State University College/University
47. 1/30/2014 Palm Bay FL Eastern Florida State College College/University
48. 1/31/2014 Phoenix AZ Cesar Chavez High School K-12
49. 1/31/2014 Des Moines IA North High School K-12
50. 2/7/2014 Bend OR Bend High School K-12
51. 2/10/2014 Salisbury NC Salisbury High School K-12
52. 2/11/2014 Lyndhurst OH Brush High School K-12
53. 2/12/2014 Jackson TN Union University College/University
54. 2/20/2014 Raytown MO Raytown Success Academy K-12
55. 3/2/2014 Westminster MD McDaniel College College/University
56. 3/7/2014 Tallulah LA Madison High School K-12
57. 3/8/2014 Oshkosh WI University of Wisconsin – Oshkosh College/University
58. 3/21/2014 Newark DE University of Delaware College/University
59. 3/30/2014 Savannah GA Savannah State University College/University
60. 4/3/2014 Kent OH Kent State University College/University
61. 4/7/2014 Roswell NM Eastern New Mexico University-Roswell College/University
62. 4/11/2014 Detroit MI East English Village Preparatory Academy K-12
63. 4/21/2014 Griffith IN St. Mary Catholic School K-12
64. 4/21/2014 Provo UT Provo High School K-12
65. 4/26/2014 Council Bluffs IA Iowa Western Community College College/University
66. 5/2/2014 Milwaukee WI Marquette University College/University
67. 5/3/2014 Everett WA Horizon Elementary School K-12
68. 5/4/2014 Augusta GA Paine College College/University
69. 5/5/2014 Augusta GA Paine College College/University
70. 5/8/2014 Georgetown KY Georgetown College College/University
71. 5/8/2014 Lawrenceville GA Georgia Gwinnett College College/University
72. 5/21/2014 Milwaukee WI Clark Street School K-12
73. 6/5/2014 Seattle WA Seattle Pacific University College/University
74. 6/10/2014 Troutdale OR Reynolds High School K-12

You know... I just noticed something. How on earth can you sit there with any sort of a conscience and use the deaths of others to propagate a lie such as this? Take this and call me in the morning:

Is it misleading?


The experts we consulted agreed that Everytown’s broad definition of "school shooting" could be misleading, encouraging them to assume that there have been 74 incidents similar to Columbine or Sandy Hook.

While the Everytown definition is certainly one way of calculating it, there is such a range of motivations, degrees of planning and outcomes that it ceases to be an especially useful measurement, said Jay Corzine, a University of Central Florida sociology professor. Mark Safarik, president of Forensic Behavioral Services Inc. and a former member of the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit, agreed that when the average person thinks of a school shooting, they think of a mass murder like Sandy Hook.


"There is an ocean of difference between Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech and Columbine and a depressed student who (commits suicide) at school, or an accidental discharge," Safarik said. "To call them all school shootings may be true in a technical sense but is quite disingenuous on an emotional level, which is where they are trying to capture for their audience."


Everytown has countered the media criticism by arguing that focusing too closely on Sandy Hook-like incidents unfairly diminishes the full extent of the dangers to students and staff posed by guns in or near schools.
"The country's gun-violence epidemic has seeped into our children's schools, and that is a problem, regardless of the body count," said spokeswoman Erika Lamb. "Those lives count, too, even if the media is only focused on mass tragedies."


Corzine prefers the designation used by the New York Police Department, among others -- "active shooter," which limits the list to incidents that occur during school hours, involving a firearm discharged with the intent to kill or injure others on school grounds or while in transit on a school vehicle.
In addition, Fox said the statistic is misleading for another reason -- it focuses on short-term patterns, rather than long-term trends. Despite the media focus, Fox said, it’s worth noting that the number of school-related homicides has remained relatively flat for two decades, he said.


"I don't mean to minimize the horror of these events or the pain and suffering of victims, but schools are safe, safer than other places that our children spend time," he said. "For some kids, school is even safer than their home."


Corzine said he sees some value in Everytown’s calculations -- but also pitfalls.


On the one hand, "they are a valid indicator of the ease with which firearms enter the school environment in the United States compared to other highly developed nations." By the same token, though, "it is misleading to use the 74 school shootings in a context that explicitly or implicitly equates them with Sandy Hook."

Our ruling

A statistic calculated by Everytown for Gun Safety, and shared widely on social media, said that there have been 74 "school shootings in America since Sandy Hook."


The group’s figure is accurate only if you use a broad definition of "school shooting" that includes such incidents as suicides, accidents and spillover from adjacent criminal activity. The figure has some value in quantifying the proximity of guns to school campuses, but the group makes a significant stretch by tying the statistic so closely to the mass shooting at Sandy Hook. By doing this, the group closely associates the statistic with planned mass shootings targeting students and school staff -- a category that, using a more strict definition, accounts for only 10 of the 74 incidents.

The statement contains some element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

Have there been 74 school shootings since Sandy Hook? A closer look at a tricky statistic | PolitiFact

 

[JoeB131]

That one blew me away. I was working the DM board screaming about this but what was astonishing was the number of individuals who agreed that he should have been arrested. I was beyond jaw dropped.

Um, actually, he was inciting a riot.

That's against the law anywhere.

Pissing off some lady is "inciting a riot???"

Lol, keep sucking that authoritarian dick Joe. Slurp Slurp Slurp.

A Liberty GB spokesman said: "Mr Weston was standing on the steps of Winchester Guildhall, addressing the passers-by in the street with a megaphone.

"He quoted an excerpt about Islam from the book The River War by Winston Churchill.

"Reportedly, a woman came out of the Guildhall and asked Mr Weston if he had the authorisation to make this speech.

"When he answered that he didn't, she told him: 'It's disgusting', and then called the police.

"Six or seven officers arrived. They talked with the people standing nearby, asking questions about what had happened.

"The police had a long discussion with Mr Weston, lasting about 40 minutes.

"At about 3pm he was arrested. They searched him, put him in a police van and took him away."

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I'm sure if you went to Daley Plaza in Chicago and started doing the same shit, someone would bust you.

Reality- Most places require you to get a permit to have a demonstration. Mostly to make sure there's enough of a police presense to keep you from getting your ass kicked.

Now, the Late Mike Royko had a neat idea. Let the Nazis march in Skokie, but without a police escort. And nobody investigates when all those Jewish kids come out and kick their asses.

 

[JoeB131]

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Um, no.

While I would like to get rid of heart disease and cancer, they are probably going to happen regardless. Guns are a solvable problem.

Then I suggest you go on a one man crusade to revoke the 2nd Amendment. Please start here in Southern Alabama.

Best argument for gun control is letting the gun nuts talk about all the people they want to shoot.

No wonder they don't want to keep guns out of hte hands of crazy people. Most of them would fail.

 

[JoeB131]

Guns aren't the problem, people are the problem.

No, people with guns are the problem.

Countries where they don't let people have guns. No problem.

Like Cuba? When are you leaving?

No, like Japan, England, France, Italy, Australia.

Where people are just as free as they are here, and they don't let every lowlife have a gun.

 

[JoeB131]

Guns aren't the problem, people are the problem.

No, people with guns are the problem.

Countries where they don't let people have guns. No problem.

Joe come to the Peg. The knives are the problem. Every day. Oh and on the weekends the First Nations love to stab each other to death all the time. Guns just make better headlines. You should witness the stabbings on the day to day up here. It's unreal.

Number of murders in the US- 15,953 , 11,101 with guns

Number of murders in Canada - 529 , 173 with guns.

Even factoring in Canada has a tenth of the US population, their murder rate is a lot lower than ours, which is what happens when you limit who can have a gun.

 

[Geaux4it]

No, people with guns are the problem.

Countries where they don't let people have guns. No problem.

Joe come to the Peg. The knives are the problem. Every day. Oh and on the weekends the First Nations love to stab each other to death all the time. Guns just make better headlines. You should witness the stabbings on the day to day up here. It's unreal.

Number of murders in the US- 15,953 , 11,101 with guns

Number of murders in Canada - 529 , 173 with guns.

Even factoring in Canada has a tenth of the US population, their murder rate is a lot lower than ours, which is what happens when you limit who can have a gun.

But the majority could give a rip Joe. You should put your energy behind something that actually has a chance of success.

Anti-gun loons have a time management issue

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

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But the majority could give a rip Joe. You should put your energy behind something that actually has a chance of success.

Anti-gun loons have a time management issue

-Geaux

Actually, most Americans- heck most gun owners- support common sense gun control.

The NRA is good at terrorizing cowardly politicians, but it's only a matter of time before we have an incident horrible enough where people say , "Enough".

 

[martybegan]

Um, actually, he was inciting a riot.

That's against the law anywhere.

Pissing off some lady is "inciting a riot???"

Lol, keep sucking that authoritarian dick Joe. Slurp Slurp Slurp.

A Liberty GB spokesman said: "Mr Weston was standing on the steps of Winchester Guildhall, addressing the passers-by in the street with a megaphone.

"He quoted an excerpt about Islam from the book The River War by Winston Churchill.

"Reportedly, a woman came out of the Guildhall and asked Mr Weston if he had the authorisation to make this speech.

"When he answered that he didn't, she told him: 'It's disgusting', and then called the police.

"Six or seven officers arrived. They talked with the people standing nearby, asking questions about what had happened.

"The police had a long discussion with Mr Weston, lasting about 40 minutes.

"At about 3pm he was arrested. They searched him, put him in a police van and took him away."

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I'm sure if you went to Daley Plaza in Chicago and started doing the same shit, someone would bust you.

Reality- Most places require you to get a permit to have a demonstration. Mostly to make sure there's enough of a police presense to keep you from getting your ass kicked.

Now, the Late Mike Royko had a neat idea. Let the Nazis march in Skokie, but without a police escort. And nobody investigates when all those Jewish kids come out and kick their asses.

One person is not a demonstration. And I still don't see "inciting a riot" in what he was doing.

JoeB loves to stifle some speech along with 2nd amendment rights.

Your hatred of the constitution is telling.

 

[martybegan]

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But the majority could give a rip Joe. You should put your energy behind something that actually has a chance of success.

Anti-gun loons have a time management issue

-Geaux

Actually, most Americans- heck most gun owners- support common sense gun control.

The NRA is good at terrorizing cowardly politicians, but it's only a matter of time before we have an incident horrible enough where people say , "Enough".

When the polls use terms like "common sense gun control" most people reflexively give a positive answer, its a common polling trick. When given the details however, that number drops rapidly as the proposals get more and more idiotic and gun grabby.

 

[JoeB131]

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One person is not a demonstration. And I still don't see "inciting a riot" in what he was doing.

JoeB loves to stifle some speech along with 2nd amendment rights.

Your hatred of the constitution is telling.

Uh, guy, this happened in England.

And, yeah, he was inciting a riot. He was asked to leave, he refused, and they tossed him in the klink.

 

[martybegan]

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One person is not a demonstration. And I still don't see "inciting a riot" in what he was doing.

JoeB loves to stifle some speech along with 2nd amendment rights.

Your hatred of the constitution is telling.

Uh, guy, this happened in England.

And, yeah, he was inciting a riot. He was asked to leave, he refused, and they tossed him in the klink.

Yes, it happened in England, but your example of Daly plaza refers to here. And you have already said you wouldn't mind that happening to people who have views you disagree with.

He was NOT inciting a riot. I really don't think you know what that term means.

You are a Fascist, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[rightwinger]

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But the majority could give a rip Joe. You should put your energy behind something that actually has a chance of success.

Anti-gun loons have a time management issue

-Geaux

Actually, most Americans- heck most gun owners- support common sense gun control.

The NRA is good at terrorizing cowardly politicians, but it's only a matter of time before we have an incident horrible enough where people say , "Enough".

After Sandy Hook it became obvious there will never be an incident horrible enough for people to say enough

We value our guns more than we value our children

 

[JoeB131]

When the polls use terms like "common sense gun control" most people reflexively give a positive answer, its a common polling trick. When given the details however, that number drops rapidly as the proposals get more and more idiotic and gun grabby.

Okay, let's look at some of the actual proposals.

"Do you favor or oppose a federal law requiring background checks on all potential gun buyers?"

85% favor.

"In general, do you think laws covering the sale of guns should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now?"

54% favor. But most Americans probably don't realize how loose the gun laws are.

"In general, do you feel that the laws covering the sale of firearms should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now?"

52 % favor more strict. Only 8% want less strict laws.

"Do you support or oppose laws to prevent people with mental illness from purchasing guns?"

88% support. 9% oppose.

Guns