7 states pass marriage amendments

[MissileMan]

Liberalism has made some horrific impacts on marraige in the last 40 years, and this new tactic continues the agenda. Hopefully we can reverse the trend.

Wow, conservatives don't get divorced...didn't know that.

 

[CharlestonChad]

Liberalism has made some horrific impacts on marraige in the last 40 years, and this new tactic continues the agenda. Hopefully we can reverse the trend.

Good point Rush..err...glockmail. Plrease name the impacts that liberals, who ya'll proclaim to be jesus-haters, have had on christian marriage.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

So do you honestly believe that gays want to destroy the state of marriage, which is already in shambles?

Don't be duped by the Left. Gay marriage is just an extension of the communist-pushed degenerate agenda which started in the sixties - the "sexual revolution" of "free sex" which included porn liberation, womens liberation, gay liberation, premarital sex, easy divorces, "open" relationships, swinging sex, gay sex, "if it feels good, do it" sex, and so forth.

Gays per se don't want to destroy marriage...they are just more useful idiot fodder for the Left....the socialist/communist Left wants to destroy marriage and the family unit and bring maleable children under control of the State and creating gay marriages will go a long way towards those goals. It takes time, but to remake society, you must first destroy the old one. Despite all those damn repressed moralistic Christian killjoys out there, they've been making pretty good headway.

 

[mattskramer]

As for the Bible - Okay. I give up. You win but we agree to disagree. I guess that I have a bit of a closed mind and heart. I still can’t get the Bible to be real for me. I suppose that you have all of the answers to each possible question about each sentence in the Bible. You have successfully reasoned through everything. In my nit-picky heart and mind, I just can’t seem to get the Bible to ring true for me. The dots just don’t connect for me. Also, I just don’t have the time to sort it all out. Perhaps I am demanding too much or I’m too stubborn or I want things simple. I guess that I will put it on the back burner for a while.

As for gay marriage – Okay. I give up. You win but we agree to disagree. Having considered all things that I understand – having thought through tradition, popularity, likely benefit, likely damage, likely or unlikely demands by other groups, ramifications, etc. I still think that, at the very least, there should be state laws that recognize civil unions between gay couples. I think that any cost to society would, at least slightly, be offset by likely benefits.

Other obligations and things that I’d rather be doing are gradually taking more of my time. I will still try to chime in a little each week or so. Take care. In conclusion, May whatever you believe in give you peace. I meant no wrath toward anyone. May we agree to disagree without being terrible hurtful and disagreeable. If I have truly hurt anyone, I apologize and meant only to argue and perhaps quibble. Good night.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Why cannot people just compromise? Banning gays from getting married is fine, as long as a gay couple can still have the benefits of marriage granted by the government. Of the gays that I know, that's what they want.

Why should a same sex couple enjoy tax breaks that single persons dont?

 

[no1tovote4]

Why should a same sex couple enjoy tax breaks that single persons dont?

Breaks? What breaks? They still haven't completed eliminated the marriage penalty!

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Wow, conservatives don't get divorced...didn't know that.

And who said they dont?

Marriage has mostly been disseminated by No Fault Divorce. Making it easy to get out, makes it easier to get in, hence more people dont take the institution as seriously as its suppose to be.

Homosexuals dont want to destroy marriage per se, they just want a blurring of the distinctions God and conservatives want. Liberals want an egalitarian society, everybody is equal , everyone has the exact same benefits. There are no class, sexual or age distinctions.

The "enviormentalists" and the animals rights activists want animals and plants put on a par with humans.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Breaks? What breaks? They still haven't completed eliminated the marriage penalty!

I think if you file married and jointly, you get a bigger deduction or credit than if you filed seperately, most of the time. I could be wrong. If its not that way, its SUPPOSE to be.

Also, each child is a write off, you get a reduction in your net earnings for each one you have. THAT is suppose to be the TRUE benefits given by the government. Its hard enough to raise kids, but to have the govt tax us as high as they do AND raise kids, is not right.

 

[no1tovote4]

I think if you file married and jointly, you get a bigger deduction or credit than if you filed seperately, most of the time. I could be wrong. If its not that way, its SUPPOSE to be.

Also, each child is a write off, you get a reduction in your net earnings for each one you have. THAT is suppose to be the TRUE benefits given by the government. Its hard enough to raise kids, but to have the govt tax us as high as they do AND raise kids, is not right.

Child tax credits do not rise and fall on marriage, a single parent gets the same as the couple...

 

[LuvRPgrl]

As for the Bible - Okay. I give up. You win but we agree to disagree. I guess that I have a bit of a closed mind and heart. I still can’t get the Bible to be real for me. I suppose that you have all of the answers to each possible question about each sentence in the Bible. You have successfully reasoned through everything. In my nit-picky heart and mind, I just can’t seem to get the Bible to ring true for me. The dots just don’t connect for me. Also, I just don’t have the time to sort it all out. Perhaps I am demanding too much or I’m too stubborn or I want things simple. I guess that I will put it on the back burner for a while.

As for gay marriage – Okay. I give up. You win but we agree to disagree. Having considered all things that I understand – having thought through tradition, popularity, likely benefit, likely damage, likely or unlikely demands by other groups, ramifications, etc. I still think that, at the very least, there should be state laws that recognize civil unions between gay couples. I think that any cost to society would, at least slightly, be offset by likely benefits.

Other obligations and things that I’d rather be doing are gradually taking more of my time. I will still try to chime in a little each week or so. Take care. In conclusion, May whatever you believe in give you peace. I meant no wrath toward anyone. May we agree to disagree without being terrible hurtful and disagreeable. If I have truly hurt anyone, I apologize and meant only to argue and perhaps quibble. Good night.

Hmmm, well, no, I dont have all the answers, by any means.

I go like this. I think an issue through. I come to a conclusion. If someone presents evidence or an idea that strongly enough counters my conclusion, I will change my mind. I have done this before. But on most, if not all, subjects like same sex marriage, I never hear any new arguements from the left. If someone changes their mind without new evidence, thats being wishy washy. If one is presented strong evidence that is beyond doubt, and the person refuses to change their mind, thats being stubborn, mule headed and a bigot.

Someone accused one of the conservatives of being a ditto head, yet I find its the liberals who say the same things over and over, and so often they are lies started by idiots like Al Franken.

You notice how people who are somewhat middle of the road get cast off by the "big tent, tolerant" party of the left?? Even Lieberman got booted out, and he is one of the most liberals senators there is.

I do not like to let my emotions dictate my values or philosophies on life.
You claim to be so in tune with fallacies and be so logical and level headed, yet you admit its your emotions that dictate your anti God stance. Hmmmm

Might be the same with Same sex marriage for you.

As for God, if He exists, and Jesus, many of us have been given unrefutable proof. I know I was. But I had to hit an extremely hard bottom before it was given to me, because I had been so humbled and devastated that I genuinely opened myself up to any possiblity and was willing to accept it , and do as He willed or wishes.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Child tax credits do not rise and fall on marriage, a single parent gets the same as the couple...

But the basic idea is they go hand in hand. And, MORE kids do live in households with two married adults, than live in single households.

And, in a divorce, one parent doesnt get to benefit from the tax credit.

 

[no1tovote4]

But the basic idea is they go hand in hand. And, MORE kids do live in households with two married adults, than live in single households.

And, in a divorce, one parent doesnt get to benefit from the tax credit.

There are many, many who are unmarried who receive their credit. This credit isn't specifically for the married. Even gays who once were married and had children still have this credit depending on the agreement.

 

[CharlestonChad]

Marriage has mostly been disseminated by No Fault Divorce. Making it easy to get out, makes it easier to get in, hence more people dont take the institution as seriously as its suppose to be.

Homosexuals dont want to destroy marriage per se, they just want a blurring of the distinctions God and conservatives want. Liberals want an egalitarian society, everybody is equal , everyone has the exact same benefits. There are no class, sexual or age distinctions.

The "enviormentalists" and the animals rights activists want animals and plants put on a par with humans.

-Correct, us liberals want a society where everyone is treated equal, just like the bible preeches.

-Us environmentalists already recognize that our survival depends on the survival of our natural resources. Environmentalists don't want to put animals and plants on par w/ humans. I'm not sure where you got that idea from. All we want is to preserve the delicate balance of our biosphere before everything is trashed permanentely.

 

[glockmail]

Good point Rush..err...glockmail. Plrease name the impacts that liberals, who ya'll proclaim to be jesus-haters, have had on christian marriage.

I'm not the one letting myself be a mouthpiece for some ideology. In reality I am much more conservative than ol' Rush. Your question was answered by another in post 103.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

There are many, many who are unmarried who receive their credit. This credit isn't specifically for the married. Even gays who once were married and had children still have this credit depending on the agreement.

Many is a relative term. The basic idea is still there. MOST kids live in two parent households, and getting credit for raising kids was and is my point all along. With kids, USUALLY comes marriage. Even though they fail alot these days, MORE THAN HALF DONT.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

-Correct, us liberals want a society where everyone is treated equal, just like the bible preeches. .

Oh, But I didnt say "treated" equally, I said ARE EQUAL is what libs seek. No distinctions between good and bad, male and female, etc.
But thats a typical liberal problem, cant quite read things accurately.

--Us environmentalists already recognize that our survival depends on the survival of our natural resources. .

Let me clue you in, one doesnt need to be an enviormentalist to understand that.

-Environmentalists don't want to put animals and plants on par w/ humans. I'm not sure where you got that idea from. All we want is to preserve the delicate balance of our biosphere before everything is trashed permanentely.

Again, your reading comprehension is failing you. I said animal rights activists want animals put on par with humans. You dont believe it? Just go to the PETA (people eating tasty animals) website.

As for enviormentalists, you are very ill informed. MANY of them believe that the mother earth is every bit as important, or more so, as people.

http://www.spark-online.com/august00/trends/esch.html

That's all changed, though. I am now certain that environmentalists will prevail. It's pretty clear that they just can't lose.

Look at it this way. Resources on this planet are finite. No matter how you look at it, there is a limited amount of land, trees, oil, water, atmosphere and air. There are also a limited number of plants, mammals, fish, amphibians and birds. At the rate we're going, there is no doubt in my mind that we will completely exhaust some of these resources eventually. Even if we lose just one, it's likely that the entire system will collapse.

And where will that leave the human race? Dead most likely. Or, at the very least, severely depleted. And after that event? Well, things will just build back up again, without us.

 

[CharlestonChad]

Oh, But I didnt say "treated" equally, I said ARE EQUAL is what libs seek. No distinctions between good and bad, male and female, etc.
But thats a typical liberal problem, cant quite read things accurately.

Yeah, makes it hard to "accurately" read things when ppl like yourself like to word things so that you can always have an escape plan.

Let me clue you in, one doesnt need to be an enviormentalist to understand that.

What kind of vehicle/s do you own?

Again, your reading comprehension is failing you. I said animal rights activists want animals put on par with humans. You dont believe it? Just go to the PETA (people eating tasty animals) website.

Maybe you should reread your post.

As for enviormentalists, you are very ill informed. MANY of them believe that the mother earth is every bit as important, or more so, as people.

Of course the Earth is more important the the people who live on it. That should be a no-brainer.

http://www.spark-online.com/august00/trends/esch.html

That's all changed, though. I am now certain that environmentalists will prevail. It's pretty clear that they just can't lose.

Look at it this way. Resources on this planet are finite. No matter how you look at it, there is a limited amount of land, trees, oil, water, atmosphere and air. There are also a limited number of plants, mammals, fish, amphibians and birds. At the rate we're going, there is no doubt in my mind that we will completely exhaust some of these resources eventually. Even if we lose just one, it's likely that the entire system will collapse.

And where will that leave the human race? Dead most likely. Or, at the very least, severely depleted. And after that event? Well, things will just build back up again, without us.

Should we destroy our earth in the next century or the next thousand years?

 

[CharlestonChad]

And who said they dont?

Marriage has mostly been disseminated by No Fault Divorce. Making it easy to get out, makes it easier to get in, hence more people dont take the institution as seriously as its suppose to be.

Homosexuals dont want to destroy marriage per se, they just want a blurring of the distinctions God and conservatives want. Liberals want an egalitarian society, everybody is equal , everyone has the exact same benefits. There are no class, sexual or age distinctions.

The "enviormentalists" and the animals rights activists want animals and plants put on a par with humans.

What did you edit in this post?

 

[no1tovote4]

Many is a relative term. The basic idea is still there. MOST kids live in two parent households, and getting credit for raising kids was and is my point all along. With kids, USUALLY comes marriage. Even though they fail alot these days, MORE THAN HALF DONT.

My point is that this particular "benefit" is not tied to marriage, it is tied to children which people can have without marriage and often do.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

My point is that this particular "benefit" is not tied to marriage, it is tied to children which people can have without marriage and often do.

My point is that it used to be virtually all who had children were married, and still are in the major majority.

What you are saying is akin to, Tax break for those who purchase four car tires this year isnt for car owners, its for tire owners.

And besides, my point is that the reason for not having same gender marriage is because we need to have an institution that promotes more and stronger families. Tax credits help that whether a couple is married or not.