6 Dem congressmen/woman call for INSURRECTION against the trump administration

[SweetTea]

Military members are NOT left to their own as to what are legal and illegal orders.

They make a choice, then become subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

They can be arrested and submitted to a Courts Martial. The prosecution makes it's case, the defense makes their case, and then the Military Judge makes a ruling (assuming a motion to dismiss). If the Military Judge determines there is a question, then a military jury is empaneled and the case goes to trial. Then it is the military jury making the call on guilt or innocense.

WW

While we wait on all of this to be adjudicated, orders are not being followed. This is why it is dangerous for military personnel not to follow an order unless the order is blatantly illegal. In the current context, there are no such orders.

 

[Lesh]

First of all

They said that the military should not follow ILLEGAL orders

I don’t know how anyone with a brain and a moral compass could have a problem with that.

As an ancillary question one might ask is, what an illegal order is.

So why all the sturm and drang

Afraid Trump’s comments make him look bad?

He’ll he does that every day

 

[SweetTea]

Why can't you phrase it accurately? It was a reminder to military personnel they can refuse to follow an illegal order. Full stop.

Illegal as defined by who? Could military members have refused the order NOT to enforce the border when Biden was in office? In other words, could they have decided to disobey an (illegal) order to stand down and enforce the law?

 

[M14 Shooter]

First of all

They said that the military should not follow ILLEGAL orders

Yes. They stated the painfully obvious.
For no reason whatsoever.
And puffed their chests out while doing it.

 

[Lesh]

And of course the only the answer that a soldier would be able to come up with is "I don't know. I am not an attorney, and I do not have an attorney advising me on the legality of orders, that I am given as a soldier."

Then what?

Following an order you think is illegal makes YOU a criminal

 

[M14 Shooter]

Following an order you think is illegal makes YOU a criminal

Only if the order is -actually- illegal.

 

[kyzr]

First of all
They said that the military should not follow ILLEGAL orders
I don’t know how anyone with a brain and a moral compass could have a problem with that.
As an ancillary question one might ask is, what an illegal order is.
So why all the sturm and drang
Afraid Trump’s comments make him look bad?
He’ll he does that every day

Keep ******* politicians away from the military, period.

 

[Lesh]

Yes. They stated the painfully obvious.
For no reason whatsoever.
And puffed their chests out while doing it.

Stating the obvious is not a hanging offense

And least it hasn’t been up till now

 

[WorldWatcher]

Stating the obvious is not a hanging offense

And least it hasn’t been up till now

Operative words are...

...... ...... ...... ...... ...... "up till now".

WW

 

[M14 Shooter]

Stating the obvious is not a hanging offense

Suborning mutiny, is.
Always has been.

 

[BackAgain]

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And what actual order has President Trump made that's illegal?

Why won't they answer this?

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They can’t.

 

[Lesh]

Suborning mutiny, is.
Always has been.

So mutiny is obvious??

You just said they were stating the obvious

Did you forget already?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I'm not so sure I'd send a guy to Leavenworth over not shooting a child. Too bad our congress people are not held to the same standard as our military; maybe they should.

a person laying mines is an enemy combatant young or old.

 

[BackAgain]

The courts decide what is the law

So they claim. But it’s an oversimplication.

Congress (most often with a Presidential approval) says what the law is. The court’s (in proper cases) often get to pass on whether a law validly corresponds with the Constitution.

 

[wamose]

I guess "data and facts that prove the Democrat party is evil"?

You have clear and LEGAL proof of that? show it!

Today's Democrat party is experimenting in how often and how hard they can slap the middle-class worker. Is there anything non evil about that?

 

[M14 Shooter]

So mutiny is obvious??

I see you head is still in your ass.
Not that is is anything new.

Excepted from a link provided in a post from several pages ago:

If this video was produced by a bunch of rag tag college students or Marxist professors, no one would care.

That’s not what happened here. These lawmakers’ actions and words undermine good order and discipline in the armed forces by encouraging U.S. military personnel to question the orders of the commander in chief of the armed forces for no good reason, based on nothing more than mere political disagreement.

The video is full of dishonorable statements from people who should know better. By calling on service members to resist Trump’s orders, they are essentially asking military members to make political judgments about which policies to implement—a direct assault on civilian control of the military.

That is: suborning mutiny

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Nov 21, 2025

Thirty year JAG officer clarifies this Democrat chatter:
30-Year JAG Veteran Schools Democrats for Video Calling for Sedition in the Military

Gee.
This validates what I said, in toto.
Imagine that.

• M14 Shooter

Post in thread '6 Dem congressmen/woman call for INSURRECTION against the trump administration'

Nov 21, 2025

Democrats make a video telling servicemen something they already know.

Wooo! Big victory for the Democrats!!

Trump correctly interpreted this video as suborning dissent / mutiny in the military by inciting servicemen to question the legal orders they have been given. Suborning/inciting mutiny of the military is a serious crime that might well lead to the death penalty.
Did Trump need to lead with that? Nope. But he's not wrong.

When Trump given the order to machinegun schoolbuses full of children, this video will have relevance.
When Trump orders the NG...

• M14 Shooter

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Reminding the military of a military rule is an Insurrection now.

That's how far gone these people are.

I love how desperate they are to dilute that word. It's around their neck after Jan 6, and tough shit.

the implied illegal orders are National Guard to cities to stop riots and not obeying orders to destroy the Narco terrorists. There is no other reason to use the language they used and that is an attempt to subvert the military plain and simple.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Following an order you think is illegal makes YOU a criminal

No, following an order THE LAW says is illegal makes you a criminal. Refusing to follow an order you THINK is illegal makes you a criminal guilty of mutiny. Refusing ANY order is fraught with danger for any service member regardless of rank. Even if you consult a JAG lawyer, all you have is his OPINION of legality or illegality. Only a courts martial can make the final determination and if you guess wrong, the best you can hope for is a vacation at beautiful Fort Leavenworth followed by a Bad Conduct Discharge and a record of a felony conviction.

 

[Marener]

the implied illegal orders are National Guard to cities to stop riots and not obeying orders to destroy the Narco terrorists. There is no other reason to use the language they used and that is an attempt to subvert the military plain and simple.

Correct. Both are widely discussed as being legally quite questionable. In fact, some courts have agreed that orders to deploy National Guard to cities are illegal.

 

[Concerned American]

WRONG. Stop lying. Saying legal orders are illegal is sedition. There were no illegal orders.

I think the ad was irresponsible and juvenile--typical democrat BS. This law is well known--as is the prohibition against murder. What's next? Are they going to tell our military not to defend the US because the order may be illegal? The irresponsibility comes in as they are advising young troops to question authority without mentioning or bearing any of the penalties of mutiny.