6 Dem congressmen/woman call for INSURRECTION against the trump administration

[Robert W]

Democrats believe if you call someone a murderer, that is a threat because the punishment is death.

Democrats will say anything to cover for their treason.

Democrats = traitors

Nuremberg 2.0 is near

When you wake up for the day, the media will blurt out outrageous stuff all day long.

 

[forkup]

Daily kos?

Sorry but the title is already maliciously worded, wrongly I might add. And you cite the one of the most left-wing news sources on the internet? That article has no credibility.

Furthermore, the one thing you don't do is encourage our troops to disobey orders. That's tantamount to calling for an insurrection.

The last thing you do is try to sow discord in the world's most stable and powerful military. Period. Full stop.

Don't expect a warm reaction to calls for our troops to openly defy their CinC without a justifiable, legal reason.

The OP literally has the truth social post in it. He isn't calling for putting political opponents to death there?

Do you think the military can't disobey orders that are unlawful, as a matter of law?

 

[forkup]

Given my father is ex military, he taught me all about what the oath is, and what it isn't.

They don't take orders or advice from members of congress.

Your father suggested orders should be obeyed even when they are unlawful?

 

[forkup]

He is the commander and chief. So ya.

The oath the military takes is to the Constitution first, I'm pretty sure not to the commander in chief altough they do specify to obey his orders.

So if the commander in chief orders something that is unlawful should they obey?

 

[BackAgain]

It may be true that a serviceman or servicewoman has a duty to decline to follow an illegal order, but I understand (and don’t know for certain) that the onus is on that service member to prove that the order was, indeed, illegal.

In the civilian side of the criminal justice system, that seems a lot like an “affirmative defense” where the defendant is suddenly the one with a burden of proof.

In the military, though, it seems a whole lot riskier to engage in behavior that would otherwise be deemed “mutiny.”

The 6 Dem politicians are being damn cavalier in suggesting that service members should disobey the orders of a superior without at least qualifying it with a solid caution along those lines. And those politicians don’t even bother to try to point to any orders from the Commander in Chief which are, in fact, allegedly “illegal” orders.

 

[1srelluc]

In the wake of Charlie Kirk, there were calls by the right to end the violent rhetoric under accusations it was fueling hate and violence (which I agree with). I guess the president didn't get that memo.

Trump doubles down and calls for the execution of Democrat lawmakers. More from Trump claims their words are seditious and states they should be put to death.

For the record, sedition is the advocacy of violence against the government. The lawmakers involved were advocating peace by the government. It's kind of literally the opposition of sedition.

It should also be noted that the maximum punishment under the actual sedition statute is 20 years, it does not include death.

Trump Supports Calls To Hang Political Opponents

President Trump is supporting calls to hang opposition lawmakers. Six Democrats in Congress called upon members of the military to disobey illegal orders to murder alleged drug traffickers on the high seas. Trump responded by posting that these...

www.dailykos.com

Daily Kos....Really?

So what does the Huffington Post and Mother Jones have to say about it?

 

[forkup]

It may be true that a serviceman or servicewoman has a duty to decline to follow an illegal order, but I understand (and don’t know for certain) that the onus is on that service member to prove that the order was, indeed, illegal.

In the civilian side of the criminal justice system, that seems a lot like an “affirmative defense” where the defendant is suddenly the one with a burden of proof.

In the military, though, it seems a whole lot riskier to engage in behavior that would otherwise be deemed “mutiny.”

The 6 Dem politicians are being damn cavalier in suggesting that service members should disobey the orders of a superior without at least qualifying it with a solid caution along those lines. And those politicians don’t even bother to try to point to any orders from the Commander in Chief which are, in fact, allegedly “illegal” orders.

They suggested to not obey unlawful orders. So I'll ask you to. What's the problem with that principle?

As for being "cavalier". What is more cavalier here you think. Saying to military personel that they have a right to refuse to obey unlawful orders, or... the president of the United States saying publicly that six US congressmen deserve death?

Why is it that there's one person in the world who has no expectation of ever needing to act responsibly?

 

[debbiedowner]

Given my father is ex military, he taught me all about what the oath is, and what it isn't.

They don't take orders or advice from members of congress.

Where was the order congress gave them? Cite that.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You are an idiot. They said ILLEGAL orders. He is calling for their MURDER for restating their oath of office.

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Where does it say that they can "restate their oath of office"?





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[debbiedowner]

Daily kos?

Sorry but the title is already maliciously worded, wrongly I might add. And you cite the one of the most left-wing news sources on the internet? That article has no credibility.

Furthermore, the one thing you don't do is encourage our troops to disobey orders. That's tantamount to calling for an insurrection.

The last thing you do is try to sow discord in the world's most stable and powerful military. Period. Full stop.

Don't expect a warm reaction to calls for our troops to openly defy their CinC without a justifiable, legal reason.

‘Punishable by DEATH’: Trump Floats Execution for Democrats Who Urged Soldiers to Disobey Illegal Orders

Donald Trump suggested that six Democrats who put out a video urging military members to "refuse illegal orders" were guilty of "SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR, punishable by DEATH!'

www.mediaite.com

 

[Rocko]

For the one millionth time, Trump is trolling.

 

[debbiedowner]

For the one millionth time, Trump is trolling.

His trolling cause crazies like some here feel to act on his words. Trolling or not he knows exactly what he's doing, well sometimes.

 

[Rocko]

His trolling cause crazies like some here feel to act on his words. Trolling or not he knows exactly what he's doing, well sometimes.

I don’t think he’s that calculating. The guy just says shit without thinking about repercussions.

 

[forkup]

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None of those talking dem heads ever mentioned precisely ANY illegal order.

They're blowing smoke because they think they can get away with it. Spoiled children.

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They also didn't mention simply disobeying orders either. In fact, they specified that the only orders they could disobey were illegal ones. So, to you the same question. What's the problem with that principle?

 

[Papageorgio]

In the wake of Charlie Kirk, there were calls by the right to end the violent rhetoric under accusations it was fueling hate and violence (which I agree with). I guess the president didn't get that memo.

Trump doubles down and calls for the execution of Democrat lawmakers. More from Trump claims their words are seditious and states they should be put to death.

For the record, sedition is the advocacy of violence against the government. The lawmakers involved were advocating peace by the government. It's kind of literally the opposition of sedition.

It should also be noted that the maximum punishment under the actual sedition statute is 20 years, it does not include death.

Trump Supports Calls To Hang Political Opponents

President Trump is supporting calls to hang opposition lawmakers. Six Democrats in Congress called upon members of the military to disobey illegal orders to murder alleged drug traffickers on the high seas. Trump responded by posting that these...

www.dailykos.com

Democrats elected a man that wanted to put two bullets in an opponents head.

I’d like to see it all stop but this fake outrage is hypocritical as well.

 

[berg80]

In the wake of Charlie Kirk, there were calls by the right to end the violent rhetoric under accusations it was fueling hate and violence (which I agree with). I guess the president didn't get that memo.

Trump doubles down and calls for the execution of Democrat lawmakers. More from Trump claims their words are seditious and states they should be put to death.

For the record, sedition is the advocacy of violence against the government. The lawmakers involved were advocating peace by the government. It's kind of literally the opposition of sedition.

It should also be noted that the maximum punishment under the actual sedition statute is 20 years, it does not include death.

Trump Supports Calls To Hang Political Opponents

President Trump is supporting calls to hang opposition lawmakers. Six Democrats in Congress called upon members of the military to disobey illegal orders to murder alleged drug traffickers on the high seas. Trump responded by posting that these...

www.dailykos.com

Just when you think he can't disgrace the office any more, or can't go any further in to abject depravity...........he does.

 

[Rawley]

We have never had a President call for the murder of his political opponents before. This man has the military and the nuclear codes.

We’ve never had Senators and Representatives call for military to overthrow The government.

They also didn't mention simply disobeying orders either. In fact, they specified that the only orders they could disobey were illegal ones. So, to you the same question. What's the problem with that principle?

What’s the problem saying that sedition is punishable by death?

 

[TNHarley]

In the wake of Charlie Kirk, there were calls by the right to end the violent rhetoric under accusations it was fueling hate and violence (which I agree with). I guess the president didn't get that memo.

Trump doubles down and calls for the execution of Democrat lawmakers. More from Trump claims their words are seditious and states they should be put to death.

For the record, sedition is the advocacy of violence against the government. The lawmakers involved were advocating peace by the government. It's kind of literally the opposition of sedition.

It should also be noted that the maximum punishment under the actual sedition statute is 20 years, it does not include death.

Trump Supports Calls To Hang Political Opponents

President Trump is supporting calls to hang opposition lawmakers. Six Democrats in Congress called upon members of the military to disobey illegal orders to murder alleged drug traffickers on the high seas. Trump responded by posting that these...

www.dailykos.com

That ******* retard got it confused with treason.

 

[Darkwind]

Our troops swore an oath to the Constitution and they are legally required to disobey any order that would violate the Constitution or the UCMJ. It can also be argued that those same troops are to abide by international laws and treaties of which the US is party and therefore obligated to disobey orders that would cause any of those laws or provisions to be violated.

Only after exhausting every other avenue. There is a chain of command, and unless you are the country's best Constitutional lawyer, you had best be able to prove the law was illegal, at which time the COURT would declare the order unlawful.

These Democrats are walking right up to the very edge of treason. Of course a military member should not obey an unlawful command, there is a supposition in the entire thing that Trump HAS issued an illegal order and that they -- the military -- were obligated to follow them.

Americans are seeing right through this ruse.

Trump is calling for them to be held accountable for it and that if found guilty, a possible outcome could be death.

Do try to grasp and understand things before commenting.

 

[forkup]

They suggested to not obey unlawful orders. So I'll ask you to. What's the problem with that principle?

We’ve never had Senators and Representatives call for military to overthrow The government.

What’s the problem saying that sedition is punishable by death?

The problem is that sedition isn't punishable by death, ask Steward Rhodes.

The problem is that the president claiming a crime was committed prejudices a potential prosecution.

A bigger problem is that saying to the military that they have the right to refuse illegal orders is a statement of the law not sedition.