6 Dem congressmen/woman call for INSURRECTION against the trump administration

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

If anyone needs clarification, no, saying that illegal orders should not be followed is not "seditious behavior, punishable by death."

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What specific order is, in your opinion, "illegal"?





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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

It goes without saying that service members should not carry out unlawful orders and most or all service members already know this. And every one of the Congresspersons involved in the video know that every service member knows not to carry out unlawful orders so the obvious question is: Why did they say it?

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Their TDS kicked in and they know they can get away with it.

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[forkup]

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This whole subject brings to mind a man I once met, democrat SJW who served in the Army, in the Middle East.

He was given an order to shoot a child who was laying mines. He refused to do so. He was sent to Leavenworth and dishonorably discharged, could not get a job, ended up homeless, addicted, and committed suicide.

Do you think these noble public servants who advise military members to refuse to follow "illegal" orders give a rat's ass about the useful leftist idiots who are listening to them and going to go out and determine what order is illegal, disobey it and thereby destroy themselves?

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It brings something else to mind for me , Abu Ghraib.

Back then, torture was treated as acceptable because it was “necessary to fight terrorism.” And when the scandal broke, every one of the low-rank soldiers involved said the same thing: they were just following orders.

What happened to them?

They went to prison. They were dishonorably discharged. Their lives were wrecked.

But the “noble civil servants” who signed off on the interrogation policies, the people who made torture acceptable in the first place, didn’t give a rat’s ass about those soldiers. None of them went to jail. None lost their careers. They let the lowest-ranking people take the fall for carrying out the system they created.

So yes, your story reminds me of something. Just not in the way you intended.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

It brings something else to mind for me , Abu Ghraib.

Back then, torture was treated as acceptable because it was “necessary to fight terrorism.” And when the scandal broke, every one of the low-rank soldiers involved said the same thing: they were just following orders.

What happened to them?

They went to prison. They were dishonorably discharged. Their lives were wrecked.

But the “noble civil servants” who signed off on the interrogation policies, the people who made torture acceptable in the first place, didn’t give a rat’s ass about those soldiers. None of them went to jail. None lost their careers. They let the lowest-ranking people take the fall for carrying out the system they created.

So yes, your story reminds me of something. Just not in the way you intended.

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If you think so.







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[forkup]

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If you think so.







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I don't think so, it know so. It was a pretty big story at the time.

And unlike you my anecdote can be easily checked again contemporaneous accounts.

So go ahead try to play the anecdote game.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Yes, I agree with this

 

[DonGlock26]

Trump starts blowing up fentanyl cartel drug running boats and suddenly the Democrats want the military to mutiny.
Someone's cash flow took a serious hit.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I don't think so, it know so. It was a pretty big story at the time.

And unlike you my anecdote can be easily checked again contemporaneous accounts.

So go ahead try to play the anecdote game.

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I'm totally agreeing with you. Enjoy your victory.





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[RetiredGySgt]

I don't think so, it know so. It was a pretty big story at the time.

And unlike you my anecdote can be easily checked again contemporaneous accounts.

So go ahead try to play the anecdote game.

except for the fact that the guards were doing it for their own jollies and were never ordered to do any such thing,

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

After six congressmen and women posted a video urging the military not to follow illegal orders, Donald Trump said they deserve to die.

A debate enaued in which Republicans officials and Republicans in message boards claim illegal orders must be followed, while Democrats say they must not be followed.

Below is a passage of article 92 of the USMJ, the law that deals with the orders that military members must follow:


"Any person subject to this chapter who—
(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;
(2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by a member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or
(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties;

shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

Conclusion: in this is debate, Democrats are correct. Donald Trump and Republicans are incorrect. Thanks.


Citation

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title10-section892&num=0&edition=prelim

 

[Mac-7]

The courts decide what is the law

And the black robes are arbitrary and unpredictable

 

[Seymour Flops]

After six congressmen and women posted a video urging the military not to follow illegal orders, Donald Trump said they deserve to die.

A debate enaued in which Republicans officials and Republicans in message boards claim illegal orders must be followed, while Democrats say they must not be followed.


Conclusion: in this is debate, Democrats are correct. Donald Trump and Republicans are incorrect. Thanks.


Citation

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title10-section892&num=0&edition=prelim

Weird that Republicans said "the military must obey illegal orders."

Can you post the video of them saying that?

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

Weird that Republicans said "the military must obey illegal orders."

Can you post the video of them saying that?

Weird that Republicans said "the military must obey illegal orders."

Can you post the video of them saying that?

Oh thank you for the correction. Republicans want the military members to obey only lawful orders as Democrats set in their video. Can you confirm that this is the correction that I must make to my thread?

Let me know so I can issue a correction and while we’re added, tell me why Democrats deserve to die if Trump agrees with them.

You flop again, Seymour
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[schmidlap]

Xiden called on his followers to put Trump in the bullseye and well two of them did…

Where did Trump say anyone should be hung for advocating fidelity to the constitution?

Citation? What did Biden callon his followers to do, precisely?

Trump toadies revert to whining about Biden whenever their object of veneration throws one of his tantrums and spews his hateful rage.

The undeniable truth is that, for those who swear an oath to the Constitution, illegal orders should not be followed, and anyone who points out that moral certitude should not be executed.

 

[Mac1958]

Yep. And they're told that, early on, in their service.

It's there to protect us from authoritarian madmen. Thank goodness.

 

[ColonelAngus]

OP.

It is illegal to steal elections. Do not support stealing elections.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Citation?

Trump toadies revert to whining about Biden whenever their object of veneration throws one of his tantrums and spews his hateful rage.

The undeniable truth is that, for those who swear an oath to the Constitution, illegal orders should not be followed, and anyone who points out that moral certitude should not be executed.

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Cute post.

There is now someone who looks hopeful about treating TDS. I don't know if he's in your AO, but might be able to refer you to someone.

Psychotherapist says 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' is real pathology, plaguing 75 percent of his patients

Psychotherapist Jonathan Alpert described Trump Derangement Syndrome as a profound pathology causing sleepless nights, compulsive news checking and emotional distress in his patients.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Seymour Flops]

Oh thank you for the correction. Republicans want the military members to obey only lawful orders as Democrats set in their video. Can you confirm that this is the correction that I must make to my thread?

Let me know so I can issue a correction

So, you do not have a video of Republicans saying "the military must obey illegal orders." So, yes, that is a correction you should make.

and while we’re added, tell me why Democrats deserve to die if Trump agrees with them.

You mean "disagrees with them?" Plus, you double quoted me. You're getting too excited and posting too fast, ma'am. It's early in the morning, you're going to bust a gut if you don't calm down.

I didn't say that Democrats deserve to die if Trump disagrees with them. Do you have video of someone saying that they do?

 

[SweetTea]

The real center of the debate is what is legal and what is not. If each individual military personnel is left to decide on their own what they consider legal or not, and thus which orders to follow or not, we will have a real mess on our hands. Politics will undoubtedly come into play into what they decide is “legal”, which is exactly the approach Democrats are taking now.

 

[SweetTea]

Yep. And they're told that, early on, in their service.

It's there to protect us from authoritarian madmen. Thank goodness.

They also are told not to put politics or personnel beliefs ahead of orders.