54% of the 3.3 million minimum wage workers live at home or get govt. assistance..

[NYcarbineer]

Okay, so eventually all the jobs that are low to moderate skill level positions in this country will be either

shipped overseas,

eliminated by automation/technology,

or pay an unliveably low wage.

So at that point conservatives will have fulfilled their wishes. My question is, what will be so great about an America in that condition?

Exactly!

And as you see, none of them can tell us what will be so great about America at that point.

In fact, they can't even tell us why America would be even a little bit better.

And yet they want this for America.

 

[OKTexas]

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2013.pdf

The total workers age 16 or older paid at minimum or below minimum hourly wage : 3,300,000

THAT's ALL worker at minimum or below!

Supposedly heads of family 25 years and older: 1,638,000

1,663,000 are 16 to 19 years old.. probably live with parents.. working dishwasher,etc..
111,000 are 65 and older (NOTE they get Medicare and social security)
1,774,000 people under 19 living with parents and 65 or over getting Medicare/SS.

Over 54% of the 3,300,000 TOTAL people that work for minimum or below minimum wage are 16 to 19 or over 65 live with parents or get govt. assistance.

In other words...

Taxpayers who shop and at Wallmart also subsidize their labor costs.

Of course, everyone who shops anywhere is subsidizing their labor cost, you're not very smart are you?

 

[OKTexas]

Okay, so eventually all the jobs that are low to moderate skill level positions in this country will be either

shipped overseas,

eliminated by automation/technology,

or pay an unliveably low wage.

So at that point conservatives will have fulfilled their wishes. My question is, what will be so great about an America in that condition?

You want to improve the American condition, demand politicians create a climate where the majority of the products we buy can be manufactured here, that's where you'll get middle class wages, just like always.

 

[BobPlumb]

I would rather subsidize someone a little that us working for a low wage than to subsidize someone greatly who is unemployed.

 

[Siete]

So you have half the 3.3 million at minimum wage either at entry level jobs or skill appropriate 16 to 19 years old or over 65.

Raising the minimum wage for JUST 3.3 million WILL affect all workers by:
1) Some of those 3.3 million WILL be let go.
2) All the rest of above minimum wage will be asked to produce more or
3) more robots employed.
4) Raising the minimum wage is totally unfair to the other 72 million hourly wage workers.

The net effect will be businesses will have less money to hire more people and will instead let people go to make up the difference.

Oh I see, so more people making peanuts and getting government assistance is better than fewer people making an actual sustainable wage. Got it.

The govt. assistance are over 65... Medicare/SS payments..

SS isn't government assistance ...

 

[squeeze berry]

can my wages be doubled too?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Okay, so eventually all the jobs that are low to moderate skill level positions in this country will be either

shipped overseas,

eliminated by automation/technology,

or pay an unliveably low wage.

So at that point conservatives will have fulfilled their wishes. My question is, what will be so great about an America in that condition?

Exactly!

And as you see, none of them can tell us what will be so great about America at that point.

In fact, they can't even tell us why America would be even a little bit better.

And yet they want this for America.

And it doesnt matter to them. Their Ideology matters more than what the results will be

 

[RandallFlagg]

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2013.pdf

The total workers age 16 or older paid at minimum or below minimum hourly wage : 3,300,000

THAT's ALL worker at minimum or below!

Supposedly heads of family 25 years and older: 1,638,000

1,663,000 are 16 to 19 years old.. probably live with parents.. working dishwasher,etc..
111,000 are 65 and older (NOTE they get Medicare and social security)
1,774,000 people under 19 living with parents and 65 or over getting Medicare/SS.

Over 54% of the 3,300,000 TOTAL people that work for minimum or below minimum wage are 16 to 19 or over 65 live with parents or get govt. assistance.

The minimum wage was originally designed to help incorporate teenagers into the workforce. It was designed to give waiters and waitresses a "leg" up. Now, teenagers won't get their lazy asses off the couch for less than $10 per hour and wait staffs at restaurants make more on tips than they do on salary.

Don't let anyone fool you. This minimum wage hike bullshit is just that - bullshit. It is primarily being pushed to give illegals better pay. After all, they take the jobs that "americans don't want".

Think I'm kidding? Go to a Jack In The Box, a Burger King, a White Castle, a Wendys, and so on and so on. Teenagers REFUSE to work in these places and they are filled with older Americans (my age) and wetbacks. That's it. RARELY will you see anyone below the age of 25 that ISN'T Mexican.

 

[Moonglow]

Tips are taxed based on sales of the waiter(ess), thank you Ronald Reagan...the tax is 15%

 

[healthmyths]

Oh I see, so more people making peanuts and getting government assistance is better than fewer people making an actual sustainable wage. Got it.

The govt. assistance are over 65... Medicare/SS payments..

SS isn't government assistance ...

It surely isn't a return of the SS beneficiary's money!

 

[Noomi]

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2013.pdf

The total workers age 16 or older paid at minimum or below minimum hourly wage : 3,300,000

THAT's ALL worker at minimum or below!

Supposedly heads of family 25 years and older: 1,638,000

1,663,000 are 16 to 19 years old.. probably live with parents.. working dishwasher,etc..
111,000 are 65 and older (NOTE they get Medicare and social security)
1,774,000 people under 19 living with parents and 65 or over getting Medicare/SS.

Over 54% of the 3,300,000 TOTAL people that work for minimum or below minimum wage are 16 to 19 or over 65 live with parents or get govt. assistance.

That tells me that the minimum wage needs to rise.

 

[healthmyths]

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2013.pdf

The total workers age 16 or older paid at minimum or below minimum hourly wage : 3,300,000

THAT's ALL worker at minimum or below!

Supposedly heads of family 25 years and older: 1,638,000

1,663,000 are 16 to 19 years old.. probably live with parents.. working dishwasher,etc..
111,000 are 65 and older (NOTE they get Medicare and social security)
1,774,000 people under 19 living with parents and 65 or over getting Medicare/SS.

Over 54% of the 3,300,000 TOTAL people that work for minimum or below minimum wage are 16 to 19 or over 65 live with parents or get govt. assistance.

That tells me that the minimum wage needs to rise.

And that tells me a portion of the above will be fired and replaced by robots or other low skilled processes as the economics of the situation for the majority of small businesses, mom and pop restaurants for example WON"T be able to keep these low skilled workers.

So rather then encouraging these 16 to 19 year olds with low skills to learn the basics of day to day business principles, i.e. be on time, be on the job, courtesy to customers,etc.. they will be let go.
This is NOT a job creation process but a job destruction process.
AGAIN there are certain laws of economics involved here and any idiot who has NEVER studied the fundamentals of the various aspects i.e. reducing work force,
increasing productivity processes, raising prices, or going out of business is NOT obviously like you aware of it!

 

[zeke]

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2013.pdf

The total workers age 16 or older paid at minimum or below minimum hourly wage : 3,300,000

THAT's ALL worker at minimum or below!

Supposedly heads of family 25 years and older: 1,638,000

1,663,000 are 16 to 19 years old.. probably live with parents.. working dishwasher,etc..
111,000 are 65 and older (NOTE they get Medicare and social security)
1,774,000 people under 19 living with parents and 65 or over getting Medicare/SS.

Over 54% of the 3,300,000 TOTAL people that work for minimum or below minimum wage are 16 to 19 or over 65 live with parents or get govt. assistance.

That tells me that the minimum wage needs to rise.

And that tells me a portion of the above will be fired and replaced by robots or other low skilled processes as the economics of the situation for the majority of small businesses, mom and pop restaurants for example WON"T be able to keep these low skilled workers.

So rather then encouraging these 16 to 19 year olds with low skills to learn the basics of day to day business principles, i.e. be on time, be on the job, courtesy to customers,etc.. they will be let go.
This is NOT a job creation process but a job destruction process.
AGAIN there are certain laws of economics involved here and any idiot who has NEVER studied the fundamentals of the various aspects i.e. reducing work force,
increasing productivity processes, raising prices, or going out of business is NOT obviously like you aware of it!

Wouldn't it be great if YOU had some real world facts to back up your fantasy.

You know, like if after the last MW increase, companies laid off many more workers, everybody left working demanded a large raise and the UE numbers went through the roof.

If only you had that information you would have used it. But you don't cause those things I mentioned didn't happen now did they?

Maybe you should think about getting a job other than spreading bullshit on a message board. Just sayin. You MIGHT be worth more than MW. But I doubt it.

 

[ClosedCaption]

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2013.pdf

The total workers age 16 or older paid at minimum or below minimum hourly wage : 3,300,000

THAT's ALL worker at minimum or below!

Supposedly heads of family 25 years and older: 1,638,000

1,663,000 are 16 to 19 years old.. probably live with parents.. working dishwasher,etc..
111,000 are 65 and older (NOTE they get Medicare and social security)
1,774,000 people under 19 living with parents and 65 or over getting Medicare/SS.

Over 54% of the 3,300,000 TOTAL people that work for minimum or below minimum wage are 16 to 19 or over 65 live with parents or get govt. assistance.

That tells me that the minimum wage needs to rise.

And that tells me a portion of the above will be fired and replaced by robots or other low skilled processes as the economics of the situation for the majority of small businesses, mom and pop restaurants for example WON"T be able to keep these low skilled workers.

So tell me Health are you saying that robots wont be used if we keep wages low then?

Because if they are going to be used anyway AND you are fighting to keep wages low its not really about automation or robots at all is it?