51% Of American Muslims Want Sharia... (NOT in All Caps Now..)

[flacaltenn]

Well thought out and presented, I think, flacaltenn.

I was getting headaches from all the shouting around me. It's getting loud and nasty and in a lot of cases --- foolish. It really is a deficit in CULTURE, not a defect of Islam.
I have no doubts that Judaism, Islam, Christianity can all be practiced peacefully in cultures that dont

REQUIRE tyrants to keep down the bloodshed.
Live with perpetual tribe on tribe, sect on sect violence.
Make RELIGIOUS law dominant over Civil law or incorporate large portions of it.
Perceive a RIGHT to be free from being offended or uncomfortable in their morals/ethics.

i disagree with your assessment that Islam can be practiced peacefully together long term with Judaism and Christianity in the SAME culture....unless Islam is the dominant religion and rules it will not 'live and let live'......at least that has been its history by and large....

The older gen immigrants (gen 2 and later) have no issues coexisting with other major religions in open Western societies. There's no real tension is WELL-ESTABLISHED and assimilated western societies.

But the way you bring tension and danger to the situation is to look on Muslim immigrants as "their Mexicans" over in Europe and push too fast on immigration. That does lead to Anti jew/christian tensions.

Need to recognize that pushing immigration from these no fun cultures too rapidly and allowing law opaque ghettos to form is true danger.

if the Muslim population is very tiny then one could say they have 'assimilated' because there is no real problem.....however when the numbers increase, either through immigration or birthrates, you start having problems whether it is the first, second, or third, etc. generation......

those ghettos which have existed for generations in Europe have not assimilated.....in my opinion Muslims as a whole do not assimilate into Western cultures....

You slow and reduce the chances of assimilation when you make accommodations to their "old country" ways. Thus the Sharia court systems have been overlooked and largely ignored in Europe. And the ghetto-ization problem compounds the risk.. The help they need to get over the shock is within a healthy EXISTING religious community. We have one -- the Euros don't. It's a job for the mosques and not our government.

I'm agreeing with you about the rate. We've probably well exceeded the "safe speed" for about 8 or 10 years now. And I'm dead set against taking folks we don't know from the "hot zones".. But I'm gonna fight to get out those who are targeted right now because they HELPED us in country,. Its STILL the right thing to do for Iraqis and Aghans -- even IF rescues like the Mateen father (ex-Taliban wannabee king) was a risky move..

 

[flacaltenn]

What kind of accommodations am I talking about? This kind.

London's new mayor bans sexy ads on city buses, subway

Very disappointing to me that a newly mayor of London -- who happens to be Muslim --- has to LIE about his motivations for banning bikini ads in the UnderGround. But that's what happens when everyone tries too hard to PREVENT offending anybody,.

May seem like I'm on both sides of this in places -- but I'm really not. Be tolerant, be generous, don't accommodate awful distasteful cultures.

 

[MaryL]

99% of RWnuts think America is a Christian nation, and want the laws to be adjusted accordingly...

...aka the Christian version of Sharia.

---------------------------- Christian derived law is a heck of a lot better that Islamic shariah derived law . And you or your kids may find that out sometime in the future Carbineer .

We're a secular nation.

Yep.

Duh Donuld notwithstanding, a particular religion will never be banned in the US.

Eat your hearts out fascist trumpkins.


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I don't care for Trump, but you do remember 9/11, the worst ever attack on American soil perpetrated by anyone, was perpetrated by Islamic neofacistism? Oh, Not all muslims are the same? Oh, how do we go about proving that? We are just supposed to be as naïve as we were on 9/10/01?

 

[NYcarbineer]

99% of RWnuts think America is a Christian nation, and want the laws to be adjusted accordingly...

...aka the Christian version of Sharia.

---------------------------- Christian derived law is a heck of a lot better that Islamic shariah derived law . And you or your kids may find that out sometime in the future Carbineer .

We're a secular nation.

Yep.

Duh Donuld notwithstanding, a particular religion will never be banned in the US.

Eat your hearts out fascist trumpkins.


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I don't care for Trump, but you do remember 9/11, the worst ever attack on American soil perpetrated by anyone, was perpetrated by Islamic neofacistism? Oh, Not all muslims are the same? Oh, how do we go about proving that? We are just supposed to be as naïve as we were on 9/10/01?

You can prove it by noting that 19 Muslims carried out the 9/11 attacks,

and 2 billion didn't.

 

[NYcarbineer]

99% of RWnuts think America is a Christian nation, and want the laws to be adjusted accordingly...

...aka the Christian version of Sharia.

---------------------------- Christian derived law is a heck of a lot better that Islamic shariah derived law . And you or your kids may find that out sometime in the future Carbineer .

We're a secular nation.

Yep.

Duh Donuld notwithstanding, a particular religion will never be banned in the US.

Eat your hearts out fascist trumpkins.


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I don't care for Trump, but you do remember 9/11, the worst ever attack on American soil perpetrated by anyone, was perpetrated by Islamic neofacistism? Oh, Not all muslims are the same? Oh, how do we go about proving that? We are just supposed to be as naïve as we were on 9/10/01?

There are more Muslims fighting ISIS than there are non-Muslims. If they were all the same...well...you try to figure it out.

 

[MaryL]

99% of RWnuts think America is a Christian nation, and want the laws to be adjusted accordingly...

...aka the Christian version of Sharia.

---------------------------- Christian derived law is a heck of a lot better that Islamic shariah derived law . And you or your kids may find that out sometime in the future Carbineer .

We're a secular nation.

Yep.

Duh Donuld notwithstanding, a particular religion will never be banned in the US.

Eat your hearts out fascist trumpkins.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatal

I don't care for Trump, but you do remember 9/11, the worst ever attack on American soil perpetrated by anyone, was perpetrated by Islamic neofacistism? Oh, Not all muslims are the same? Oh, how do we go about proving that? We are just supposed to be as naïve as we were on 9/10/01?

You can prove it by noting that 19 Muslims carried out the 9/11 attacks,

and 2 billion didn't.

It only took 19 of them to change our entire outlook, imagine if the other X million of them actively fought to STOP this insanity, it might restore order and respect for Islam instead of the fear and anger, you agree?

 

[NYcarbineer]

---------------------------- Christian derived law is a heck of a lot better that Islamic shariah derived law . And you or your kids may find that out sometime in the future Carbineer .

We're a secular nation.

Yep.

Duh Donuld notwithstanding, a particular religion will never be banned in the US.

Eat your hearts out fascist trumpkins.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatal

I don't care for Trump, but you do remember 9/11, the worst ever attack on American soil perpetrated by anyone, was perpetrated by Islamic neofacistism? Oh, Not all muslims are the same? Oh, how do we go about proving that? We are just supposed to be as naïve as we were on 9/10/01?

You can prove it by noting that 19 Muslims carried out the 9/11 attacks,

and 2 billion didn't.

It only took 19 of them to change our entire outlook, imagine if the other X million of them actively fought to STOP this insanity, it might restore order and respect for Islam instead of the fear and anger, you agree?

That's another bogus argument.

Hitler blamed all Jews for what he believed were the crimes of a few.

 

[MaryL]

I think about Pearl Harbor, and the countless thousands numbers of those in the Imperial Japanese navy to pull off such an attack. But Muslims insituate themselves here, with welcome arms, and 19 of them do what it took countless members of the Japanese military to do in 1941? And we are supposed to TRUST other muslims WONT do it AGAIN? That is isnsanity. Fool me once, shame on me. Twice, not gonna happen.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I think about Pearl Harbor, and the countless thousands numbers of those in the Imperial Japanese navy to pull off such an attack. But Muslims insituate themselves here, with welcome arms, and 19 of them do what it took countless members of the Japanese military to do in 1941? And we are supposed to TRUST other muslims WONT do it AGAIN? That is isnsanity. Fool me once, shame on me. Twice, not gonna happen.

You are a shrewish hag with a poor sense of history.

Since our wake up call, even with Bush's failure to ask for a Declaration of War on terror and terrorist states, America has done very well in the last 14 years. We have had less than 110 deaths at the hands of local jihadists in the last five years. Without research we know anyway that white Christian gunman and bombers have done as much or more damage.

This is a criminal problem. Every American of every race and color and ethnicity and belief (or none) needs to keep their eyes and wits about them. You see a Bundy, a Roof, a Mateen: report them.

 

[pismoe]

We're a secular nation.

Yep.

Duh Donuld notwithstanding, a particular religion will never be banned in the US.

Eat your hearts out fascist trumpkins.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatal

I don't care for Trump, but you do remember 9/11, the worst ever attack on American soil perpetrated by anyone, was perpetrated by Islamic neofacistism? Oh, Not all muslims are the same? Oh, how do we go about proving that? We are just supposed to be as naïve as we were on 9/10/01?

You can prove it by noting that 19 Muslims carried out the 9/11 attacks,

and 2 billion didn't.

It only took 19 of them to change our entire outlook, imagine if the other X million of them actively fought to STOP this insanity, it might restore order and respect for Islam instead of the fear and anger, you agree?

That's another bogus argument.

Hitler blamed all Jews for what he believed were the crimes of a few.

-------------------------------- haw , 'hitler' killed JEWS because he wanted to kill Jews . hitler was the Founder of the 'nazis' and he had a thoroughly muslim mindset and point of view . He was impressed with the muslims and had muslim troops . hitler coulda been the muslim pope if there was such a thing Carbineer .

 

[pismoe]

99% of RWnuts think America is a Christian nation, and want the laws to be adjusted accordingly...

...aka the Christian version of Sharia.

---------------------------- Christian derived law is a heck of a lot better that Islamic shariah derived law . And you or your kids may find that out sometime in the future Carbineer .

We're a secular nation.

Yep.

Duh Donuld notwithstanding, a particular religion will never be banned in the US.

Eat your hearts out fascist trumpkins.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatal

I don't care for Trump, but you do remember 9/11, the worst ever attack on American soil perpetrated by anyone, was perpetrated by Islamic neofacistism? Oh, Not all muslims are the same? Oh, how do we go about proving that? We are just supposed to be as naïve as we were on 9/10/01?

There are more Muslims fighting ISIS than there are non-Muslims. If they were all the same...well...you try to figure it out.

------------------------------- well , they sure as sh1t don't fight them very well , the only reason they fight at all is for the money . They'd rather be in a 7-11 or a shish kabob shop Carbineer .

 

[flacaltenn]

99% of RWnuts think America is a Christian nation, and want the laws to be adjusted accordingly...

...aka the Christian version of Sharia.

---------------------------- Christian derived law is a heck of a lot better that Islamic shariah derived law . And you or your kids may find that out sometime in the future Carbineer .

We're a secular nation.

Yep.

Duh Donuld notwithstanding, a particular religion will never be banned in the US.

Eat your hearts out fascist trumpkins.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatal

I don't care for Trump, but you do remember 9/11, the worst ever attack on American soil perpetrated by anyone, was perpetrated by Islamic neofacistism? Oh, Not all muslims are the same? Oh, how do we go about proving that? We are just supposed to be as naïve as we were on 9/10/01?

You can prove it by noting that 19 Muslims carried out the 9/11 attacks,

and 2 billion didn't.

And less than 20% of Germans identified with the Nazi party at the HEIGHT of it's popularity. And your point is?

There are over 40 Islamic terror orgs listed by the Government. And your problems are

A) They range in location all over the globe, not in a single country the size of Germany.

B) There is a rate among Muslim countries of about 15% Condoning or agreeing with radical Muslim causes. Since you're a leftist -- I'll do the math.. 2.5B * 0.15 = 375 MILLION adherents. Where does that rank on the list of countries by population?

C) You have at least 3 monied Arab states that charter these groups and fund them and direct them as their own proxy armies. Doing their dirty bidding in about 10 current hot zones of killing and destruction..

D) Our policies in the Mid-East from Reagan to Obama have made the situation MUCH worse. Most of those latter years from 1990 on -- we were bombing about 4 Arab countries a year. Or holding the keys to the Iraqi economy for 10 years and bombing them almost daily. And NOW -- there are gaping ruins all over that area that are breeding grounds for the 40+ Terrorist Orgs that want to kill us. We let the ISIS leadership out of OUR jails in Iraq. And we literally gave them their heavy equipment and arms that we left in Iraq.. It is a story of MONUMENTAL stupid foreign policy that never got better with the next Admin..

YOU -- because you are a leftist and can't see the threat -- grab at anything to MINIMIZE this threat. You can't help it because your sense of self-preservation has been bred right the **** out of your soul. So don't be surprised when you aggravate people by dumbly trying to minimize or dismiss the threat.

Stop farting around with trying to downplay this -- it just doesn't fly and it's not going away..

 

[pismoe]

I think about Pearl Harbor, and the countless thousands numbers of those in the Imperial Japanese navy to pull off such an attack. But Muslims insituate themselves here, with welcome arms, and 19 of them do what it took countless members of the Japanese military to do in 1941? And we are supposed to TRUST other muslims WONT do it AGAIN? That is isnsanity. Fool me once, shame on me. Twice, not gonna happen.

You are a shrewish hag with a poor sense of history.

Since our wake up call, even with Bush's failure to ask for a Declaration of War on terror and terrorist states, America has done very well in the last 14 years. We have had less than 110 deaths at the hands of local jihadists in the last five years. Without research we know anyway that white Christian gunman and bombers have done as much or more damage.

This is a criminal problem. Every American of every race and color and ethnicity and belief (or none) needs to keep their eyes and wits about them. You see a Bundy, a Roof, a Mateen: report them.

--------------------------------------- kinda funny but Jake sounds like he is getting 'skeered' !!

 

[pismoe]

I think about Pearl Harbor, and the countless thousands numbers of those in the Imperial Japanese navy to pull off such an attack. But Muslims insituate themselves here, with welcome arms, and 19 of them do what it took countless members of the Japanese military to do in 1941? And we are supposed to TRUST other muslims WONT do it AGAIN? That is isnsanity. Fool me once, shame on me. Twice, not gonna happen.

------------------------------------ thankyou Mary , pay no attention to your detractor as he isn't thinking logically . Look at what the muslim husband and wife team did in San Bernadino California . LOOK at what a few muslim murderers did at 'Bataclan'in Europe . See what this muslim murderer just did in Orlando Florida as he murdered 50 and wounded another 50 . Look at the muslim hell holes and native lands that muslims inhabit . So yeah , pay no attention to the illogical Jake or mrobama when it comes to fighting muslims in this war !!

 

[JakeStarkey]

I think about Pearl Harbor, and the countless thousands numbers of those in the Imperial Japanese navy to pull off such an attack. But Muslims insituate themselves here, with welcome arms, and 19 of them do what it took countless members of the Japanese military to do in 1941? And we are supposed to TRUST other muslims WONT do it AGAIN? That is isnsanity. Fool me once, shame on me. Twice, not gonna happen.

You are a shrewish hag with a poor sense of history.

Since our wake up call, even with Bush's failure to ask for a Declaration of War on terror and terrorist states, America has done very well in the last 14 years. We have had less than 110 deaths at the hands of local jihadists in the last five years. Without research we know anyway that white Christian gunman and bombers have done as much or more damage.

This is a criminal problem. Every American of every race and color and ethnicity and belief (or none) needs to keep their eyes and wits about them. You see a Bundy, a Roof, a Mateen: report them.

--------------------------------------- kinda funny but Jake sounds like he is getting 'skeered' !!

Of the Muslim and Christian terrorists in America? No. But you do.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The far right, Christian and Muslim, born here, insinuate themselves into our culture and declare themselves Americans, too. Yet they kill Christians and Muslims, bomb clinics, shoot people.

 

[Mac1958]

The Regressive Left and Islam -- What is happening here?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Mac continues the silly game of referencing himself as an authority.

He is not.

 

[Mac1958]

Mac continues the silly game of referencing himself as an authority.

He is not.

Still posting about me without the common courtesy of quoting me.

I never have to name the Regressive Left by name, they're always more than willing to jump in and self-identify for me.

Usually using nastiness, dishonesty, insults or all of the above. Trying to make it about me instead of my points.

The referenced threads include many, many quotes from honest liberals, but the Regressive Left doesn't mention that.

Because they are who they are.
.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Mac gets exactly what he deserves.

He posts silliness yet expects to be taken seriously.

His regressive right of center comments are dishonest.

Mac has trouble that all religions are protected in the US.