$50 minimum wage

[martybegan]

Everyone will have a high standard of living in an American, marketless communist economy. There's no need for money when automation becomes advanced enough, hence there are no "millionaires", just people living well. The vast majority of people will be satisfied with their way of life, except people like you. You'll always be complaining like an idiot.

And the ones that aren't happy get handled like they do in all Communist/Socialist soceities.

Gulags or Death.

 

[martybegan]

Everyone will live in mansions and eat bon bons in this utopia of Communism!

How come 99% of people in commie countries live in shitholes?

Because they never had "actual Communism" will be the response.

So many have tried and failed, and yet idiots like this don't get it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Because they never had "actual Communism" will be the response.

So many have tried and failed, and yet idiots like this don't get it.

Yep.
‘They just didn’t do it right, but I know better’

 

[LibertyKid]

Obvious to whom? Again who gets to decide? Why are you afraid to just answer the question?


I privately own my house. That's private property.

And what about all the people who dont? And how long before we hear how unfair it is that I live on the beach and you dont?


You obviously have never owned anything. Houses require maintenance. That shit doenst happen by magic and if it's not done the home will fall into disrepair and given enough time (not nearly as long as you might think) that house will become uninhabitable. So when 1 person lets their house fall into disrepair what happens? Do they just get a new house?

LOL Right because there's more incentive for this mythical entity to develop at robot that builds houses than there is for a private entity.

What happens if I dont show up to work? Do I just starve?

How many goods and services? Can I just go to the supermarket and take all the Rib Eye steaks for myself? Who decides how much "stuff" I get?



Basically, if the Jetson's world existed maybe your system would work. Maybe. How about we discuss it when that happens. You are basically admitting that socialism doesn't work in our current state of technological advancement that we would have to advance decades and likely farther into the future in order for socialism to even have a chance of possibly working.

Keep in mind the "Credit" system is the economy in this hypothetical utopia. Where, once again, those that want to achieve more, will be held back by a system that "Owns" everything. This is where it will collapse.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Denying your bullshit, not reality, you fucking pathetic retard.

How many Russian citizens were murdered by their own Commie government in the past century?

 

[DudleySmith]

Way too low?
So how’s a family of 4 afford to live?
My lunch meals were around $25 a person just for regular meals.

Don't eat 6 burgers with 6 orders of fries. I can get a chicken fried steak dinner at a sit down joint for around $17 including tip here. An Arby's Reuben with large drink and fries cost me $12.98 just an hour ago.

 

[Couchpotato]

You're a fucking retard, not worth one more minute of my time and energy. A stupid, ignorant piece of shit.

In other words you cant answer even the simplest of questions regarding this topic.

Your home is personal property from a socialist perspective, not private.

What happens when I run my business out of my home? Which I do.

It doesn't matter what I say or how much evidence supports my position, you will just ignore that and continue making stupid objections, because you don't care what the truth is about anything.

Because you cant answer the simplest of questions.

 

[Red Front]

In other words you cant answer even the simplest of questions regarding this topic.



What happens when I run my business out of my home? Which I do.



Because you cant answer the simplest of questions.

Why are you asking me about running a business in a communist society? You're asking me about a fully communist, marketless economy, not an early-stage socialist society with markets. Why are you asking me about business in a completely centrally planned, marketless communist society? Are you dumb? What a waste of my time interacting with you.

 

[Red Front]

Because they never had "actual Communism" will be the response.

So many have tried and failed, and yet idiots like this don't get it.

The USSR was the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. Do you see the word "communism" there anywhere genius? Communism is a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money:

"A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state (or nation state).[7][8][9]" (Last sentence, first paragraph)
Source:

Communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Again, no state, no classes, and no need for money. Was the USSR that? NO. Socialism is the process that leads to communism or one might define socialism as the earliest stage of communism. Socialism is a caterpillar before it becomes a butterfly (communism). Socialists identify as communists because communism is the objective of socialism, but it doesn't imply that we have arrived there.

According to Karl Marx, humanity began with "primitive communism" and ends with "high-communism", or high-tech communism, where the individual consumer has almost if not complete control over the means of production. Technology eventually allows the individual to produce everything that they consume, without any outside input or anyone's assistance. That is the ultimate goal of socialism. To empower the consumer to the point that he or she doesn't need anyone to produce what they consume (including a state), and only associates with other human beings voluntarily, without coercion or out of scarcity (The need to be provisioned with resources). Karl Marx talked about "The Withering Away Of The State":

Withering away of the state - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's a well-recognized position taken by Marxists who follow Marx. We communists want the same thing as Libertarians, but we just propose a different way of getting there.

 

[Couchpotato]

Why are you asking me about running a business in a communist society? You're asking me about a fully communist, marketless economy, not an early-stage socialist society with markets. Why are you asking me about business in a completely centrally planned, marketless communist society? Are you dumb? What a waste of my time interacting with you.

Ok so I "own" the house I live in. What happens to it when I die?

What happens if I dont go to my government planned job? Who gets to pick which job I have? What if I dont like the job that's picked for me? Let's say Im a good little communist and go to my job, How many goods and services do I get to have? Who decides? Do I get to have lobster and steak every meal? Who decides what type of car I drive? Who decides how big or nice my house is? Am I allowed to improve my government provided house? If I get all the benefits (free house, free food, free etc etc) of a communist society what's my incentive to do anything I don't want to do?

 

[Couchpotato]

Why are you asking me about running a business in a communist society? You're asking me about a fully communist, marketless economy, not an early-stage socialist society with markets. Why are you asking me about business in a completely centrally planned, marketless communist society? Are you dumb? What a waste of my time interacting with you.

Found that successful socialist country yet?

 

[Red Front]

Found that successful socialist country yet?

According to your fellow Republicans Dems are socialists for promoting policies that are taken for granted in Western Europe, Japan, South Korea..etc. So socialist countries are everywhere. These mixed economies are essentially socialist. Sorry asshole but you're embarrassing yourself.

 

[Couchpotato]

According to your fellow Republicans Dems are socialists for promoting policies that are taken for granted in Western Europe, Japan, South Korea..etc. So socialist countries are everywhere. These mixed economies are essentially socialist. Sorry asshole but you're embarrassing yourself.

So no then?

 

[Red Front]

Ok so I "own" the house I live in. What happens to it when I die?

What happens if I dont go to my government planned job? Who gets to pick which job I have? What if I dont like the job that's picked for me? Let's say Im a good little communist and go to my job, How many goods and services do I get to have? Who decides? Do I get to have lobster and steak every meal? Who decides what type of car I drive? Who decides how big or nice my house is? Am I allowed to improve my government provided house? If I get all the benefits (free house, free food, free etc etc) of a communist society what's my incentive to do anything I don't want to do?

I already answered that question. Your home can remain in your family indefinitely.

 

[Red Front]

So no then?

You're so stupid. Learn to read.

 

[martybegan]

The USSR was the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. Do you see the word "communism" there anywhere genius? Communism is a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money:

"A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state (or nation state).[7][8][9]" (Last sentence, first paragraph)
Source:

Communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Again, no state, no classes, and no need for money. Was the USSR that? NO. Socialism is the process that leads to communism or one might define socialism as the earliest stage of communism. Socialism is a caterpillar before it becomes a butterfly (communism). Socialists identify as communists because communism is the objective of socialism, but it doesn't imply that we have arrived there.

According to Karl Marx, humanity began with "primitive communism" and ends with "high-communism", or high-tech communism, where the individual consumer has almost if not complete control over the means of production. Technology eventually allows the individual to produce everything that they consume, without any outside input or anyone's assistance. That is the ultimate goal of socialism. To empower the consumer to the point that he or she doesn't need anyone to produce what they consume (including a state), and only associates with other human beings voluntarily, without coercion or out of scarcity (The need to be provisioned with resources). Karl Marx talked about "The Withering Away Of The State":

Withering away of the state - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's a well-recognized position taken by Marxists who follow Marx. We communists want the same thing as Libertarians, but we just propose a different way of getting there.

And it always ends up with millions of dead people, because what you want is impossible.

What was the name of the ruling party in the Soviet Union?

 

[Couchpotato]

You're so stupid. Learn to read.

You want to use a definition of socialism that YOU don't believe is actual socialism and I think we both know why. I could care less what someone else defines as socialism. Name a single country that is an actual socialist country (per the actual definition) that's successful. Current or past.

 

[Red Front]

And it always ends up with millions of dead people, because what you want is impossible.

What was the name of the ruling party in the Soviet Union?

Another pro-capitalist imperialist polemicist peddling groundless body-count figures. Nothing more than capitalist Cold War propaganda.

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[martybegan]

Another pro-capitalist imperialist polemicist peddling groundless body-count figures. Nothing more than capitalist Cold War propaganda.

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Go suck Che's dead dick, you Commie fuck.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Don't eat 6 burgers with 6 orders of fries. I can get a chicken fried steak dinner at a sit down joint for around $17 including tip here. An Arby's Reuben with large drink and fries cost me $12.98 just an hour ago.

$26 burritos.
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