Zone1 4th of July vs Juneteenth

[rightwinger]

The US has been celebrating the 4th of July for almost 250 years, we officially recognized Juneteenth last year.

Lets compare the two holidays

American Independence liberated 2.5 million Americans from British rule
Ending slavery liberated 4 million slaves

Those suffering under British rule suffered from paying taxes without being represented in the British Government
Those suffering under slavery suffered from servitude without compensation, beatings, rape and their children being taken from them

Liberating from British rule cost 30,0000 war deaths
Liberating slaves cost 600,000 war deaths

 

[TNHarley]

Liberating slaves cost 600,000 war deaths

Incorrect. The CW and Lincolns reign of terror was not about slavery. Lincoln even offered the south a constitutional amendment for slavery FOREVER.
Its the economy, stupid.

 

[Canon Shooter]

The US has been celebrating the 4th of July for almost 250 years, we officially recognized Juneteenth last year.

The 4th of July didn't become an official holiday until 1941...

 

[Blues Man]

Does anyone else think we have far too many holidays?

 

[rightwinger]

Incorrect. The CW and Lincolns reign of terror was not about slavery. Lincoln even offered the south a constitutional amendment for slavery FOREVER.
Its the economy, stupid.

The slaves would not have been liberated without the Civil War

 

[KissMy]

I'll only raise a glass if they stop bitching about reparations from us whites who arrived here after the civil war, admit they were enslaved by blacks who sold them to whites most of whom fought to free them and stop calling whites racist.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The US has been celebrating the 4th of July for almost 250 years, we officially recognized Juneteenth last year.

Lets compare the two holidays

American Independence liberated 2.5 million Americans from British rule
Ending slavery liberated 4 million slaves

Those suffering under British rule suffered from paying taxes without being represented in the British Government
Those suffering under slavery suffered from servitude without compensation, beatings, rape and their children being taken from them

Liberating from British rule cost 30,0000 war deaths
Liberating slaves cost 600,000 war deaths

Juneteenth is appropriate for Texas. But, if you are celebrating freedom from slavery, ratification of the 13th is more appropriate.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Does anyone else think we have far too many holidays?

when i was working no because i got them all off with pay....now that i am retired....yea maybe.....

 

[MarathonMike]

Just another example of the Democratic Party pandering to their Black voting block. The George Floyd TV melodrama was the impetus for Biden making Juneteenth a Federal Holiday. Before the George Floyd video, most Black people couldn't tell you what Juneteenth was. Then all of a sudden it was some huge deal.

 

[rightwinger]

Juneteenth is appropriate for Texas. But, if you are celebrating freedom from slavery, ratification of the 13th is more appropriate.

Possibly so, but you could also argue the US wasn’t technically independent until the Treaty of Paris in Sept 1783.

 

[Auld Phart]

The slaves would not have been liberated without the Civil War

"It's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”​

Which is why you have so few long conversations

 

[Zincwarrior]

Possibly so, but you could also argue the US wasn’t technically independent until the Treaty of Paris in Sept 1783.

Fair enough.

 

[TNHarley]

The slaves would not have been liberated without the Civil War

Not true. Again.

 

[martybegan]

The slaves would not have been liberated without the Civil War

Eventual emancipation would have probably happened within 20-30 years due to the changing economic models as well as world-wide pressure.

England and Europe boycotting Southern Cotton would have caused some form of manumission

 

[rightwinger]

Not true. Again.

History shows the Civil War liberated the Slaves

 

[TNHarley]

History shows the Civil War liberated the Slaves

Thats not what you said, is it?
You are impossible to have a conversation with. You know that, right?

 

[rightwinger]

Thats not what you said, is it?
You are impossible to have a conversation with. You know that, right?

Liberating slaves cost 600,000 war deaths

Fact

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The slaves would not have been liberated without the Civil War

Of course they would. Slavery was already getting too expensive to maintain.

The Fourth of July celebrates the shot heard around the world. Juneteenth is a day on which absolutely nothing happened. A small group of former slaves in Texas was told that the civil war had ended some time ago. It's the "I heard it through the grapevine day".

 

[rightwinger]

Of course they would. Slavery was already getting too expensive to maintain.

The Fourth of July celebrates the shot heard around the world. Juneteenth is a day on which absolutely nothing happened. A small group of former slaves in Texas was told that the civil war had ended some time ago. It's the "I heard it through the grapevine day".

If that were the case……Why did the South create the Confederacy to ensure Slavery would exist forever?

4th of July celebrates the signing of the Declaration of Independence not Lexington and Concord

 

[TNHarley]

Liberating slaves cost 600,000 war deaths

Fact

That isnt a fact.