$400 million lithium battery plant coming to St. Louis...

I had to look that up. A very good strategic move on their part China controls 65% of the world's lithium that means there's 35% and we can utilize that they don't have control over.
You utilize 100% of the lithium we have already purchased from China, and recycle it* while opening American mines. Duh

*Standardize lithium batteries like petroleum addiction did, and make them small and modular so that old ladies can handle them at the vending machine. Duh
 
You utilize 100% of the lithium we have already purchased from China, and recycle it* while opening American mines. Duh

*Standardize lithium batteries like petroleum addiction did, and make them small and modular so that old ladies can handle them at the vending machine. Duh
I was talking to someone who apparently has a real problem with China. China is simply playing our game better than we do anymore. You' made some good common sense statements. Thank you.
 
You utilize 100% of the lithium we have already purchased from China, and recycle it* while opening American mines. Duh

*Standardize lithium batteries like petroleum addiction did, and make them small and modular so that old ladies can handle them at the vending machine. Duh
It would be nice to see the government make a 5-year plan a 10 year plan a 25-year plan a 100 year plan on what our nation wants to achieve and how to achieve it. Then maybe we could begin to compete with China. Everything in our system seems to happen haphazardly and reactively. Let's get proactive for a change. When you're going to build a house, you draw off the plans first. If this was a horse race, we are barely out of the starting gate and China is halfway around the track. Through service they will conquer the world. Years ago a Chinese businessman that I met while working out at the YMCA told me the objective was whatever the commodity was to have the best selling brand, and one or two alternatives all produced in China. That way over time, no matter what product the consumer picked it'd be buying made in China. They figured it all out.
 
The US produces almost no Lithium (we have ONE mine in Nevada) so it will certainly be imported. And it's also a good bet that the mines we import it from will be controlled by China.
We will be, soon. We also have American companies mining lithium in Chile and Australia, I believe the political situation is too unstable to mine in Bolivia but there may be companies mining there as well.
 
We will be, soon. We also have American companies mining lithium in Chile and Australia, I believe the political situation is too unstable to mine in Bolivia but there may be companies mining there as well.
I like it or not we are all interdependent the world is truly international. Seems like you can't produce anything other than food without help from abroad. And I don't see any problem with that it's the way we're going to build a future together.
 

First of it's kind in the U.S.

U.S. manufacturing in a dark Red State.

And there was much rejoicing...
For Solar grids, I like that Lithium batteries are smaller, lighter, and last longer, however their cost destroys those benefits.
They will need to bring down costs drastically to make them solar use worthy and I think that in turn would make more people use solar for supplimental means and or emergency use.
The light weight would make them transportable for use for home emergency but also as part of another property's grid, something you can't easilly do with lead batteries unless you want a bad back lugging those things.
So if these politicians were REALLY trying to solve these problems, they would have helped facilitate and subsidized the industry to get the prices down, a long time ago.
 
So if these politicians were REALLY trying to solve these problems, they would have helped facilitate and subsidized the industry to get the prices down, a long time ago.
You know, you're a perfect example of the problems faced by an emerging industry, your side bellyaches that the government should not pick winners and losers and not invest in something "that won't work anyway" but then when the government does invest (when a Republican is not President) then you bellyache it should have been done sooner. And cheaper. With faster results.

It's an uphill battle against a Fox News crowd who have been told repeatedly about all the shortcomings of renewable energy. If Fox were around 10 years earlier they would have told you computers will never be available for personal use.
 
You know, you're a perfect example of the problems faced by an emerging industry, your side bellyaches that the government should not pick winners and losers and not invest in something "that won't work anyway" but then when the government does invest (when a Republican is not President) then you bellyache it should have been done sooner. And cheaper. With faster results.

It's an uphill battle against a Fox News crowd who have been told repeatedly about all the shortcomings of renewable energy. If Fox were around 10 years earlier they would have told you computers will never be available for personal use.
See my commentary had no politics in it, the Gov't is supposed to function without being politically motivated. Functioning for the people not the party, and it's you bringing up party instead of common sense that if you have an agenda to create focus on cleaner energy, you should be making it appeal to the masses by solving their issues with it (businessman approach=not political approach).
 
No, low IQs always think the worst. Recycling in the US will also include safe plants to recycle lithium and surprisingly, microorganisms will be helping do that. One candidate is Acidothiobacillus ferrooxidans.

Batteries should be standardized so that vending machines will eliminate the need to wait for charging. At the recycling plant, possibly in Ohio, automated battery disassembly will occur (robots), thus addressing the toxicity parameter.
The problem is, the low IQ's know that lithium battery recycling around the planet, not only in North America, is very lacking. And they also know that "should" doesn't mean "is". To sum up, the low IQ don't dream at what they think is happening, but they know what is actually happening.
 
Elon Musk will dominate that industry.


He's making robots for his factories and probably his mining and battery plants as well. Let's wait and see how much stuff robots buy from local businesses and who they vote for. They won't be paying payroll taxes, we know that.


Oh yes, and the massive artificial demand created by govt. bennies and handouts will make EV far more expensive tan they are now, so maybe we can get robots to buy them, too, otherwise it all tanks. 90% of the population will live in primitive conditions eventually. These billionaires aren't really all that willing to share what they have current taxpayers developing for them for free, despite all the noises they make at Davos every year.
 
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Elon Musk will dominate that industry.


He's making robots for his factories and probably his mining and battery plants as well. Let's wait and see how much stuff robots buy from local businesses and who they vote for. They won't be paying payroll taxes, we know that.


Oh yes, and the massive artificial demand created by govt. bennies and handouts will make EV far more expensive tan they are now, so maybe we can get robots to buy them, too, otherwise it all tanks. 90% of the population will live in primitive conditions eventually. These billionaires aren't really all that willing to share what they have current taxpayers developing for them for free, despite all the noises they make at Davos every year.
Fortunately robots can't do everything yet, notice I said yet ! When that happens what will we do. I wish we could solve problems without creating more problems but that's life and physical world. We'll just have to adjust.
 
Fortunately robots can't do everything yet, notice I said yet ! When that happens what will we do. I wish we could solve problems without creating more problems but that's life and physical world. We'll just have to adjust.

It will have to be socialist economy or it will be devastated by civil unrest, which is why modern corporations and commies are getting along so well. There is nothing 'laissez faire' about the modern economy either, as most industries are dominated by duopolies and monopolies and trusts agreements; in Silly Con valley they even collude to fix wages for skilled techs, as they do in other industries. The right wing is just fine with employers forming unions to fix prices of labor, they just hate uppity proles doing the same thing. Robots are a dream come true for them. I guess they think people will just go back to farming or something.
 
It will have to be socialist economy or it will be devastated by civil unrest, which is why modern corporations and commies are getting along so well. There is nothing 'laissez faire' about the modern economy either, as most industries are dominated by duopolies and monopolies and trusts agreements; in Silly Con valley they even collude to fix wages for skilled techs, as they do in other industries. The right wing is just fine with employers forming unions to fix prices of labor, they just hate uppity proles doing the same thing. Robots are a dream come true for them. I guess they think people will just go back to farming or something.
I don't know, I can't foresee the future. I know it's going to be different how much different who knows. We'll find out when we get there. I don't think I'll be around much longer I'm just enjoying what I got now before that's gone too !
 


these things are freakin' dangerous...and even when the fire is 'out', the fire is not 'out'.
 


these things are freakin' dangerous...and even when the fire is 'out', the fire is not 'out'.

Yes, but relying on others for strategic materials is also a great danger. Sometimes you only get two bad choices.
 

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