3 men charged with federal hate crimes in killing of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

You are speculating....there is no evidence Gregory McMichaels had any disdain of Ahmaud....

Telling us he didnt complete his firearms training simply shows you are desperate.

Really? How can you be a police officer if you're unwilling or unable to pass the basic requirements and training for being a sworn officer? Without that he's impersonating a police officer for all intents and purposes. From the article:

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In Georgia, law enforcement officers are required to complete 20 hours of training each year, including certain mandated courses, to maintain their power of arrest – a critical authorization that gives officers legal authority to do essential law enforcement functions.

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“Without those powers of arrest, you have no further or no additional power than any other citizen has,” said Mike Ayers, the executive director of the Georgia Peace Officers Standards and Training council (Post), which oversees the certification.​

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But McMichael didn’t alert his supervisors to the deficiency until 2014, according to the records. The problem was so severe, Post considered suspending him indefinitely. He was stripped of his gun and departmental vehicle while he applied to the state for a waiver.​

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[snipped] In February 2019, months before he retired, McMichael again lost his certification from Post for failing to complete the required training in 2018. Weeks later, his supervisors reassigned him to work as a staff liaison in the Camden county district attorney’s office and noted that he would “not engage in any activity that would be construed as being law enforcement in nature”. His supervisors noted he would not carry a badge or firearm in his new role.​

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I've maintained my annual state mandated training for the last 8 years and am certified (licensed) in my profession so that makes me by default more credible than you or Gregory.

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bwaaaaaaaa He was a retired policeman.....he served for decades as a cop and as a criminal investigator.

Anyhow what is your profession? BTW having a permit to carry a weapon does not make you more credible than anyone.....ridiculous to claim that.

Having a concealed carry permit is not a "profession" as I just had to remind another one of you.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I sincerely hope that they are able to get a conviction and that people's eyes are finally open to what's been happening all around them, even if they were unable of it.​

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3 men charged with federal hate crimes in killing of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia​

April 28, 2021, 2:32 PM PDT / Updated April 28, 2021, 4:08 PM PDT​

By Tim Fitzsimons​

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Three Georgia men previously charged in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery were indicted Wednesday by a federal grand jury and charged with hate crimes and attempted kidnapping.​

Ahmaud Arbery. Courtesy of Family

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Arbery was jogging in Brunswick, Georgia, when Travis McMichael, 35, and his father, Gregory McMichael, 65, pursued him in their truck and shot him dead on Feb. 23, 2020.​

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William "Roddie" Bryan, 51, who was driving behind them in a separate truck, filmed the shooting.​

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Later, Gregory McMichael, a retired police officer, leaked the video because he wanted "the public to know the truth," his attorney said in 2020.​

The Department of Justice alleged on Wednesday that the men confronted Arbery "because of his race."​

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The incident sparked outrage and spurred an international movement to draw attention to racism against Black runners, NBC News reported.​

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Travis and Gregory were also each charged with "carrying, and brandishing—and in Travis’s case, discharging—a firearm during and in relation to a crime of violence," the DOJ said in a press release.​

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Gregory and Travis, father and son, were previously each charged with murder in May 2020 for the death of Arbery.​

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The OP only posted a greatly truncated version of the story in order to make Arbery look like an innocent child. The link the OP posted has scant details and a sensational headline. I'm calling bullshit fake news. Arbery was seen by two men in the neighborhood and he (Arbery) matched the description of a neighborhood thief. Arbery was inside a newly constructed house and they thought he was stealing stuff. (carepenter's tools, etc.) They stopped him and they were armed. They said they wanted to talk to Arbery but Arbery started attacking them. One guy had a shotgun and shot Arbery. That's the whole story, you make up your own mind but please don't believe the OP's version it's purposely leaving out important details of the confrontation.

Arbery was known to the father, Gregory McMichael who had previously investigated him for a charge while Arbery was in high school.

It seems that Arbery was possibly targeted and not because of anything the McMichael's witnessed that day, but because of their knowledge of him and his family and the disdain/animus they held towards them.

You mean Arbery was a KNOWN criminal? He had trepassed and was known to be a thief? Who in their right mind wouldn't stop his criminal ass?

You wouldn't, unless you want to spend time incarcerated.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

We all knew Zimmerman was not going to be convicted because Martin attacked him.

That's not why Zimmerman was not convicted.

 

[Utilitarian]

I think the main thing we can learn from this is that, if you have a construction site near a certain demographic makeup, you need to either hire security or have a secure fence around it. Otherwise, "joggers" may decide to borrow a few things.

I think the main thing we can learn from this is that emotional "follow the narrative no matter what" thinking isn't limited to leftists.

I'm not saying what the McMichaels did was justified, but the owner of the property clearly felt pressure to retract his previous claims that theft had occurred.

Hindsight is 20/20, but proper security often prevents theft issues.

"Clearly felt pressure"? Is that "pressure" from the fact that there are no surveillance tapes that we've seen so far showing any thefts, no police reports about thefts from that property? Does "clear" mean "I want to believe it"?

My mistake. I had mistaken a report about a previous incident on that property that had mentioned a 911 call. Larry English didn't actually make a report on the day that Arbery was seen on the property.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Ok for all the new people to the thread. Let’s go over the facts. The defense for the McMichaels is that they were engaging in a legal Citizens Arrest. In order for that defense to be valid Arbury had to be committing a crime on that day. What crime was Arbury committing?

Trespassing-----------while casing the place for ANOTHER ROBBERY. He was already suspect to have stolen from the place.

Actually under Georgia Law. He wasn’t really Trespassing. Legal Precedent on that has restricted the ability to either arrest someone for that crime or have the police arrest them to the property owner or legally designated representative.

People come to construction sites. As long as they don’t take anything Trespassing isn’t really a crime that they can be charged with.

And as far as him being a suspect in another burglary it happened long before the shooting so it is not Germaine to the day either.

The purpose of Citizens Arrest was to allow someone to detain an individual caught in the act. It can hardly be said that a burglary weeks ago was “in the act”.



Next?

There are multiple videos of various people walking around on that construction site. Interesting how, as far as I can see, the only one that the McMichaels got their panties in a bunch over was the black guy. I don't recall hearing about them grabbing their guns and hopping in the truck to chase down the older white couple who were caught on video on that site, for example.

Or the little kids...

 

[Utilitarian]

I think the main thing we can learn from this is that, if you have a construction site near a certain demographic makeup, you need to either hire security or have a secure fence around it. Otherwise, "joggers" may decide to borrow a few things.

I think too much attention is being given to the trespassing aspect of this case....though it is what got the McMicharls involved as in Gregory McMichals a former policeman and investigator had been deputized to handle such problems in the neighborhood since he lived there and stuff had been stolen from his son's truck.

The critical part of this case to me and though I have never practiced law(I did go to Law School in Atlanta) is the way Ahmaud Arbary brazenly attacked Travis McMichael even though he was holding a shotgun.

Some ask would anyone sane do such a thing?

Well we could all conjecture about that...but it is on record that Ahmaud had mental problems and a persecution complex which can be seen in the various videos of his previous encounters with the police.....the enhanced glorious photo of ahmaud circulated by the media does not show the real Amaud....a convicted thief.

This much is certain -- if Ahmaud was white, we'd never have heard of him, and no one would care that he got shot.

The story just has the right racial optics to manipulate the masses.

No if Ahmaud were white they would have never bothered him in the first place, notice that they didn't chase any of the white trespassers on the property. Why is that?

According to the reports on the other trespassers, many were children, and multiple videos involve a black male, but it's not certain whether it is the same black male each time. Only one video is confirmed to be Arbery. So, it doesn't appear that the McMichaels were chasing off all blacks from the area. What did happen is that a gun was stolen from Travis McMichael's truck shortly about a month and a half before he and Gregory chased Arbery. Does that justify what they did? Of course not. Was it racially motivated? Possibly, although that would be easier to determine if we had a timeline of trespassers on English's property. Without knowing how many trespassers were at the property since the gun theft and what race each of them were, it's hard to determine.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

I think the main thing we can learn from this is that, if you have a construction site near a certain demographic makeup, you need to either hire security or have a secure fence around it. Otherwise, "joggers" may decide to borrow a few things.

I think too much attention is being given to the trespassing aspect of this case....though it is what got the McMicharls involved as in Gregory McMichals a former policeman and investigator had been deputized to handle such problems in the neighborhood since he lived there and stuff had been stolen from his son's truck.

The critical part of this case to me and though I have never practiced law(I did go to Law School in Atlanta) is the way Ahmaud Arbary brazenly attacked Travis McMichael even though he was holding a shotgun.

Some ask would anyone sane do such a thing?

Well we could all conjecture about that...but it is on record that Ahmaud had mental problems and a persecution complex which can be seen in the various videos of his previous encounters with the police.....the enhanced glorious photo of ahmaud circulated by the media does not show the real Amaud....a convicted thief.

This much is certain -- if Ahmaud was white, we'd never have heard of him, and no one would care that he got shot.

The story just has the right racial optics to manipulate the masses.

No if Ahmaud were white they would have never bothered him in the first place, notice that they didn't chase any of the white trespassers on the property. Why is that?

According to the reports on the other trespassers, many were children, and multiple videos involve a black male, but it's not certain whether it is the same black male each time.

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What reports would that be? So when white kids trespass it isn't trespassing.

Only one video is confirmed to be Arbery. So, it doesn't appear that the McMichaels were chasing off all blacks from the area.

What? You talk about reaching, boy you right wingers will do whatever you can to defend these racist murderers.

What did happen is that a gun was stolen from Travis McMichael's truck shortly about a month and a half before he and Gregory chased Arbery.

Which means what? Anybody could have stolen his gun, whites do steal guns. You do know that don't you?

Does that justify what they did? Of course not.

So why did you bring it up?

Was it racially motivated? Possibly, although that would be easier to determine if we had a timeline of trespassers on English's property. Without knowing how many trespassers were at the property since the gun theft and what race each of them were, it's hard to determine.

How many other people did they confront on someone else's property? English never asked the McMichaels to confront someone on his property.

"It now appears that this young man may have been coming onto the property for water," J. Elizabeth Graddy, the attorney for homeowner Larry English, said in a statement. "There is a water source at the dock behind the house as well as a source near the front of the structure. Although these water sources do not appear within any of the cameras' frames, the young man moves to and from their locations."

Nothing had been stolen from the property, she said.

Graddy also shared a text exchange with ABC News, allegedly showing that a police officer sent McMichael's phone number to English and told him that McMichael would offer assistance if anyone else came onto the construction site.

"This text may be the reason [police] didn't arrest him because they knew they could be implicated as aiding and abetting in the crimes of the McMichaels," said attorney Benjamin Crump, who represents Arbery's family.

Graddy said English had previously sent screenshots of people entering the property to police but never saw this text message and never contacted McMichael.

English noticed that people were entering the construction site because his phone would send him a push notification when a motion sensor was triggered, Graddy told ABC News.

The security video shows several different people entering the property, one appearing to be Arbery.

Homeowner's lawyer: Ahmaud Arbery may have entered property for water breaks before fatal shooting

Video released Friday shows a black man in a T-shirt and shorts leaving the home-building site Dec. 17. He walks a few feet, then runs to the street at a jogging pace.

abc7.com

 

[Dana7360]

What the state of Georgia has done is to put up a bullshit politics case under pressure from the biden regime and others......now they find a jury stupid enough to buy into this charade but it would have to be an incredibly stupid and negligent jury with no concept of justice.

The heart of our judicial system is to provide justice....to try and convict good citizens whose only motivation was to protect their neighborhood goes against all concepts of justice and is an insult not only to those in that community in Georgia but to all of America....we are not what we once were but if this kind of nonsense we see in this case is allowed to prevail our complete destruction cannot be far in the future.

The Biden Regime? Wow talk about rewriting history. They were charge last year. While Trump was President.

Now. If Biden pulled that off before he was President then we have a problem.

You are dealing with people who believe that Obama was a muslim from Kenya and Michelle is a man.

Seriously here, do you really expect anything close to honest, coherent, factual and close to reality from people like that?

 

[Utilitarian]

[Superbadbrutha]
How many other people did they confront on someone else's property? English never asked the McMichaels to confront someone on his property.

"It now appears that this young man may have been coming onto the property for water," J. Elizabeth Graddy, the attorney for homeowner Larry English, said in a statement. "There is a water source at the dock behind the house as well as a source near the front of the structure. Although these water sources do not appear within any of the cameras' frames, the young man moves to and from their locations."

Nothing had been stolen from the property, she said.

Graddy also shared a text exchange with ABC News, allegedly showing that a police officer sent McMichael's phone number to English and told him that McMichael would offer assistance if anyone else came onto the construction site.

"This text may be the reason [police] didn't arrest him because they knew they could be implicated as aiding and abetting in the crimes of the McMichaels," said attorney Benjamin Crump, who represents Arbery's family.

Graddy said English had previously sent screenshots of people entering the property to police but never saw this text message and never contacted McMichael.

English noticed that people were entering the construction site because his phone would send him a push notification when a motion sensor was triggered, Graddy told ABC News.

The security video shows several different people entering the property, one appearing to be Arbery.

Homeowner's lawyer: Ahmaud Arbery may have entered property for water breaks before fatal shooting

Video released Friday shows a black man in a T-shirt and shorts leaving the home-building site Dec. 17. He walks a few feet, then runs to the street at a jogging pace.

abc7.com

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First of all, I have not taken the stance of defending the McMichaels. I already replied to another poster that I don't care if they go to jail or not. It does look like they will be going to jail.

When I said reports, I'm referring to the news coverage that has talked about the other trespassers. There was a previous incident on the property that involved a 911 call. I don't know if the property owner called it on a black guy or on someone else, but it was something mentioned in multiple articles early on when the Arbery incident first came to light.

And yes, I do know that whites steal guns too. The reason I brought up the gun theft is that it sounds like the McMichaels were on higher alert than normal after that event. Unfortunately, that led to them making some very poor decisions later on, but whether or not those decisions were specifically racist isn't known.

Given what is known currently, making the argument that the McMichaels were murderous is substantially easier than suggesting they were specifically motivated by race. That requires a lot more evidence and analysis.

Edit: Man, the quotes tags are really screwed up now, and I don't know how to fix them.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

You are speculating....there is no evidence Gregory McMichaels had any disdain of Ahmaud....

Telling us he didnt complete his firearms training simply shows you are desperate.

Really? How can you be a police officer if you're unwilling or unable to pass the basic requirements and training for being a sworn officer? Without that he's impersonating a police officer for all intents and purposes. From the article:

​

In Georgia, law enforcement officers are required to complete 20 hours of training each year, including certain mandated courses, to maintain their power of arrest – a critical authorization that gives officers legal authority to do essential law enforcement functions.

​

“Without those powers of arrest, you have no further or no additional power than any other citizen has,” said Mike Ayers, the executive director of the Georgia Peace Officers Standards and Training council (Post), which oversees the certification.​

​

But McMichael didn’t alert his supervisors to the deficiency until 2014, according to the records. The problem was so severe, Post considered suspending him indefinitely. He was stripped of his gun and departmental vehicle while he applied to the state for a waiver.​

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[snipped] In February 2019, months before he retired, McMichael again lost his certification from Post for failing to complete the required training in 2018. Weeks later, his supervisors reassigned him to work as a staff liaison in the Camden county district attorney’s office and noted that he would “not engage in any activity that would be construed as being law enforcement in nature”. His supervisors noted he would not carry a badge or firearm in his new role.​

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I've maintained my annual state mandated training for the last 8 years and am certified (licensed) in my profession so that makes me by default more credible than you or Gregory.

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bwaaaaaaaa He was a retired policeman.....he served for decades as a cop and as a criminal investigator.

Anyhow what is your profession? BTW having a permit to carry a weapon does not make you more credible than anyone.....ridiculous to claim that.

Having a concealed carry permit is not a "profession" as I just had to remind another one of you.

Who said dat it was??? In a previous post you said that 'in your profession' you carried a concealed weapon....I merely axed you what your profession was....since you brought it up.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

I think the main thing we can learn from this is that, if you have a construction site near a certain demographic makeup, you need to either hire security or have a secure fence around it. Otherwise, "joggers" may decide to borrow a few things.

I think too much attention is being given to the trespassing aspect of this case....though it is what got the McMicharls involved as in Gregory McMichals a former policeman and investigator had been deputized to handle such problems in the neighborhood since he lived there and stuff had been stolen from his son's truck.

The critical part of this case to me and though I have never practiced law(I did go to Law School in Atlanta) is the way Ahmaud Arbary brazenly attacked Travis McMichael even though he was holding a shotgun.

Some ask would anyone sane do such a thing?

Well we could all conjecture about that...but it is on record that Ahmaud had mental problems and a persecution complex which can be seen in the various videos of his previous encounters with the police.....the enhanced glorious photo of ahmaud circulated by the media does not show the real Amaud....a convicted thief.

This much is certain -- if Ahmaud was white, we'd never have heard of him, and no one would care that he got shot.

The story just has the right racial optics to manipulate the masses.

No if Ahmaud were white they would have never bothered him in the first place, notice that they didn't chase any of the white trespassers on the property. Why is that?

According to the reports on the other trespassers, many were children, and multiple videos involve a black male, but it's not certain whether it is the same black male each time.

What reports would that be? So when white kids trespass it isn't trespassing.

Only one video is confirmed to be Arbery. So, it doesn't appear that the McMichaels were chasing off all blacks from the area.

What? You talk about reaching, boy you right wingers will do whatever you can to defend these racist murderers.

What did happen is that a gun was stolen from Travis McMichael's truck shortly about a month and a half before he and Gregory chased Arbery.

Which means what? Anybody could have stolen his gun, whites do steal guns. You do know that don't you?

Does that justify what they did? Of course not.

So why did you bring it up?

Was it racially motivated? Possibly, although that would be easier to determine if we had a timeline of trespassers on English's property. Without knowing how many trespassers were at the property since the gun theft and what race each of them were, it's hard to determine.

How many other people did they confront on someone else's property? English never asked the McMichaels to confront someone on his property.

"It now appears that this young man may have been coming onto the property for water," J. Elizabeth Graddy, the attorney for homeowner Larry English, said in a statement. "There is a water source at the dock behind the house as well as a source near the front of the structure. Although these water sources do not appear within any of the cameras' frames, the young man moves to and from their locations."

Nothing had been stolen from the property, she said.

Graddy also shared a text exchange with ABC News, allegedly showing that a police officer sent McMichael's phone number to English and told him that McMichael would offer assistance if anyone else came onto the construction site.

"This text may be the reason [police] didn't arrest him because they knew they could be implicated as aiding and abetting in the crimes of the McMichaels," said attorney Benjamin Crump, who represents Arbery's family.

Graddy said English had previously sent screenshots of people entering the property to police but never saw this text message and never contacted McMichael.

English noticed that people were entering the construction site because his phone would send him a push notification when a motion sensor was triggered, Graddy told ABC News.

The security video shows several different people entering the property, one appearing to be Arbery.

Homeowner's lawyer: Ahmaud Arbery may have entered property for water breaks before fatal shooting

Video released Friday shows a black man in a T-shirt and shorts leaving the home-building site Dec. 17. He walks a few feet, then runs to the street at a jogging pace.

abc7.com

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English has received death threats since the arrests, his attorney said in an interview Monday night, speaking on behalf of her client

Thus not surprising he is attempting to demonstrate sympathy for Ahmaud.

The bottom line he does not want to be blamed by the radical elements for anything......quite understandable....he has a heart condition and needs peace...and no involvement in what has become a hot political potatoe.

Yet...it cannot be denied he installed security cameras and talked to the police who advised him to call Gregory McMichaels about any problems he might have with trespassers.

Owner of house Ahmaud Arbery purportedly entered before shooting is getting threats

"If the McMichaels are going to justify what they did, they are going to have to look elsewhere for help," said an attorney for Larry English.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[TheGreenHornet]

I did not trust my memory. So I searched. I can’t find any reference to Larry English calling the McMichaels on the day of the shooting.

In fact. Larry English says that he never sent the video to the McMichaels.

Homeowner’s attorney, Arbery family’s attorney respond to new video

An attorney representing the homeowner of a construction site involved in the Ahmaud Arbery case issued a statement condemning the actions taken by Gregory and Travis McMichael.

www.wtoc.com

So if nobody called the McMichaels why did they set off in pursuit?

So English is distancing himself from the incident. No shit. They never identified the person in the construction site. An unarmed man was killed....Justice will be dispensed. I just object to some calling it a racist incident.

In a recording of a 911 call, which appears to have been made moments before the chase began, a neighbor told a dispatcher that a Black man was inside a house that was under construction on the McMichaelses’ block.

Ahmaud Arbery 'killer' ex-cop 'encouraged by police to be vigilante - and neighbors told to call HIM rather than 911'

ONE of the alleged murders of Ahmaud Arbery was a point person for police just months before the fatal shooting, according to reports. Arbery was shot dead following a pursuit by Gregory McMichael …

www.the-sun.com

Text suggests Gregory McMichael was deputized before Ahmaud Arbery shooting

A photo of a text massage suggests Gregory McMichael was deputized prior to Ahmaud Arbery's death.

www.news4jax.com

Gregory McMichaels called 911 before Ahmaud was killed

911 call the day Ahmaud Arbery died came from a cell phone belonging to the McMichaels

A cell phone belonging to one of the men charged with Ahmaud Arbery's death called 911 on February 23, shortly before Arbery died, according to Glynn County Police call logs.

edition.cnn.com

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

You are speculating....there is no evidence Gregory McMichaels had any disdain of Ahmaud....

Telling us he didnt complete his firearms training simply shows you are desperate.

Really? How can you be a police officer if you're unwilling or unable to pass the basic requirements and training for being a sworn officer? Without that he's impersonating a police officer for all intents and purposes. From the article:

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In Georgia, law enforcement officers are required to complete 20 hours of training each year, including certain mandated courses, to maintain their power of arrest – a critical authorization that gives officers legal authority to do essential law enforcement functions.

​

“Without those powers of arrest, you have no further or no additional power than any other citizen has,” said Mike Ayers, the executive director of the Georgia Peace Officers Standards and Training council (Post), which oversees the certification.​

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But McMichael didn’t alert his supervisors to the deficiency until 2014, according to the records. The problem was so severe, Post considered suspending him indefinitely. He was stripped of his gun and departmental vehicle while he applied to the state for a waiver.​

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[snipped] In February 2019, months before he retired, McMichael again lost his certification from Post for failing to complete the required training in 2018. Weeks later, his supervisors reassigned him to work as a staff liaison in the Camden county district attorney’s office and noted that he would “not engage in any activity that would be construed as being law enforcement in nature”. His supervisors noted he would not carry a badge or firearm in his new role.​

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I've maintained my annual state mandated training for the last 8 years and am certified (licensed) in my profession so that makes me by default more credible than you or Gregory.

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bwaaaaaaaa He was a retired policeman.....he served for decades as a cop and as a criminal investigator.

Anyhow what is your profession? BTW having a permit to carry a weapon does not make you more credible than anyone.....ridiculous to claim that.

Having a concealed carry permit is not a "profession" as I just had to remind another one of you.

Who said dat it was??? In a previous post you said that 'in your profession' you carried a concealed weapon....I merely axed you what your profession was....since you brought it up.

That's not what I said and you really should stop drinking if it causes you to speak in the manner as you're doing above.

So why do you want to know my profession?

 

[TheGreenHornet]

You are speculating....there is no evidence Gregory McMichaels had any disdain of Ahmaud....

Telling us he didnt complete his firearms training simply shows you are desperate.

Really? How can you be a police officer if you're unwilling or unable to pass the basic requirements and training for being a sworn officer? Without that he's impersonating a police officer for all intents and purposes. From the article:

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In Georgia, law enforcement officers are required to complete 20 hours of training each year, including certain mandated courses, to maintain their power of arrest – a critical authorization that gives officers legal authority to do essential law enforcement functions.

​

“Without those powers of arrest, you have no further or no additional power than any other citizen has,” said Mike Ayers, the executive director of the Georgia Peace Officers Standards and Training council (Post), which oversees the certification.​

​

But McMichael didn’t alert his supervisors to the deficiency until 2014, according to the records. The problem was so severe, Post considered suspending him indefinitely. He was stripped of his gun and departmental vehicle while he applied to the state for a waiver.​

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[snipped] In February 2019, months before he retired, McMichael again lost his certification from Post for failing to complete the required training in 2018. Weeks later, his supervisors reassigned him to work as a staff liaison in the Camden county district attorney’s office and noted that he would “not engage in any activity that would be construed as being law enforcement in nature”. His supervisors noted he would not carry a badge or firearm in his new role.​

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I've maintained my annual state mandated training for the last 8 years and am certified (licensed) in my profession so that makes me by default more credible than you or Gregory.

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bwaaaaaaaa He was a retired policeman.....he served for decades as a cop and as a criminal investigator.

Anyhow what is your profession? BTW having a permit to carry a weapon does not make you more credible than anyone.....ridiculous to claim that.

Having a concealed carry permit is not a "profession" as I just had to remind another one of you.

Who said dat it was??? In a previous post you said that 'in your profession' you carried a concealed weapon....I merely axed you what your profession was....since you brought it up.

That's not what I said and you really should stop drinking if it causes you to speak in the manner as you're doing above.

So why do you want to know my profession?

What did you say? Anyhow.....why are you so secretive about your profession? Do you work undercover?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

You are speculating....there is no evidence Gregory McMichaels had any disdain of Ahmaud....

Telling us he didnt complete his firearms training simply shows you are desperate.

Really? How can you be a police officer if you're unwilling or unable to pass the basic requirements and training for being a sworn officer? Without that he's impersonating a police officer for all intents and purposes. From the article:

​

In Georgia, law enforcement officers are required to complete 20 hours of training each year, including certain mandated courses, to maintain their power of arrest – a critical authorization that gives officers legal authority to do essential law enforcement functions.

​

“Without those powers of arrest, you have no further or no additional power than any other citizen has,” said Mike Ayers, the executive director of the Georgia Peace Officers Standards and Training council (Post), which oversees the certification.​

​

But McMichael didn’t alert his supervisors to the deficiency until 2014, according to the records. The problem was so severe, Post considered suspending him indefinitely. He was stripped of his gun and departmental vehicle while he applied to the state for a waiver.​

​

[snipped] In February 2019, months before he retired, McMichael again lost his certification from Post for failing to complete the required training in 2018. Weeks later, his supervisors reassigned him to work as a staff liaison in the Camden county district attorney’s office and noted that he would “not engage in any activity that would be construed as being law enforcement in nature”. His supervisors noted he would not carry a badge or firearm in his new role.​

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I've maintained my annual state mandated training for the last 8 years and am certified (licensed) in my profession so that makes me by default more credible than you or Gregory.

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bwaaaaaaaa He was a retired policeman.....he served for decades as a cop and as a criminal investigator.

Anyhow what is your profession? BTW having a permit to carry a weapon does not make you more credible than anyone.....ridiculous to claim that.

Having a concealed carry permit is not a "profession" as I just had to remind another one of you.

Who said dat it was??? In a previous post you said that 'in your profession' you carried a concealed weapon....I merely axed you what your profession was....since you brought it up.

That's not what I said and you really should stop drinking if it causes you to speak in the manner as you're doing above.

So why do you want to know my profession?

What did you say? Anyhow.....why are you so secretive about your profession? Do you work undercover?

Why do you think I'm being secretive just because I won't tell some strange, unethical, not too bright guy with white supremacist leanings ON THE INTERNET what my occupation is?

 

[TheGreenHornet]

You are speculating....there is no evidence Gregory McMichaels had any disdain of Ahmaud....

Telling us he didnt complete his firearms training simply shows you are desperate.

Really? How can you be a police officer if you're unwilling or unable to pass the basic requirements and training for being a sworn officer? Without that he's impersonating a police officer for all intents and purposes. From the article:

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In Georgia, law enforcement officers are required to complete 20 hours of training each year, including certain mandated courses, to maintain their power of arrest – a critical authorization that gives officers legal authority to do essential law enforcement functions.

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“Without those powers of arrest, you have no further or no additional power than any other citizen has,” said Mike Ayers, the executive director of the Georgia Peace Officers Standards and Training council (Post), which oversees the certification.​

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But McMichael didn’t alert his supervisors to the deficiency until 2014, according to the records. The problem was so severe, Post considered suspending him indefinitely. He was stripped of his gun and departmental vehicle while he applied to the state for a waiver.​

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[snipped] In February 2019, months before he retired, McMichael again lost his certification from Post for failing to complete the required training in 2018. Weeks later, his supervisors reassigned him to work as a staff liaison in the Camden county district attorney’s office and noted that he would “not engage in any activity that would be construed as being law enforcement in nature”. His supervisors noted he would not carry a badge or firearm in his new role.​

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I've maintained my annual state mandated training for the last 8 years and am certified (licensed) in my profession so that makes me by default more credible than you or Gregory.

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bwaaaaaaaa He was a retired policeman.....he served for decades as a cop and as a criminal investigator.

Anyhow what is your profession? BTW having a permit to carry a weapon does not make you more credible than anyone.....ridiculous to claim that.

Having a concealed carry permit is not a "profession" as I just had to remind another one of you.

Who said dat it was??? In a previous post you said that 'in your profession' you carried a concealed weapon....I merely axed you what your profession was....since you brought it up.

That's not what I said and you really should stop drinking if it causes you to speak in the manner as you're doing above.

So why do you want to know my profession?

What did you say? Anyhow.....why are you so secretive about your profession? Do you work undercover?

Why do you think I'm being secretive just because I won't tell some strange, unethical, not too bright guy with white supremacist leanings ON THE INTERNET what my occupation is?

Paranoid much?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

You are speculating....there is no evidence Gregory McMichaels had any disdain of Ahmaud....

Telling us he didnt complete his firearms training simply shows you are desperate.

Really? How can you be a police officer if you're unwilling or unable to pass the basic requirements and training for being a sworn officer? Without that he's impersonating a police officer for all intents and purposes. From the article:

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In Georgia, law enforcement officers are required to complete 20 hours of training each year, including certain mandated courses, to maintain their power of arrest – a critical authorization that gives officers legal authority to do essential law enforcement functions.

​

“Without those powers of arrest, you have no further or no additional power than any other citizen has,” said Mike Ayers, the executive director of the Georgia Peace Officers Standards and Training council (Post), which oversees the certification.​

​

But McMichael didn’t alert his supervisors to the deficiency until 2014, according to the records. The problem was so severe, Post considered suspending him indefinitely. He was stripped of his gun and departmental vehicle while he applied to the state for a waiver.​

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[snipped] In February 2019, months before he retired, McMichael again lost his certification from Post for failing to complete the required training in 2018. Weeks later, his supervisors reassigned him to work as a staff liaison in the Camden county district attorney’s office and noted that he would “not engage in any activity that would be construed as being law enforcement in nature”. His supervisors noted he would not carry a badge or firearm in his new role.​

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I've maintained my annual state mandated training for the last 8 years and am certified (licensed) in my profession so that makes me by default more credible than you or Gregory.

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bwaaaaaaaa He was a retired policeman.....he served for decades as a cop and as a criminal investigator.

Anyhow what is your profession? BTW having a permit to carry a weapon does not make you more credible than anyone.....ridiculous to claim that.

Having a concealed carry permit is not a "profession" as I just had to remind another one of you.

Who said dat it was??? In a previous post you said that 'in your profession' you carried a concealed weapon....I merely axed you what your profession was....since you brought it up.

That's not what I said and you really should stop drinking if it causes you to speak in the manner as you're doing above.

So why do you want to know my profession?

What did you say? Anyhow.....why are you so secretive about your profession? Do you work undercover?

Why do you think I'm being secretive just because I won't tell some strange, unethical, not too bright guy with white supremacist leanings ON THE INTERNET what my occupation is?

Paranoid much?

LOL, that ain't gonna work.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

[Superbadbrutha]
How many other people did they confront on someone else's property? English never asked the McMichaels to confront someone on his property.

"It now appears that this young man may have been coming onto the property for water," J. Elizabeth Graddy, the attorney for homeowner Larry English, said in a statement. "There is a water source at the dock behind the house as well as a source near the front of the structure. Although these water sources do not appear within any of the cameras' frames, the young man moves to and from their locations."

Nothing had been stolen from the property, she said.

Graddy also shared a text exchange with ABC News, allegedly showing that a police officer sent McMichael's phone number to English and told him that McMichael would offer assistance if anyone else came onto the construction site.

"This text may be the reason [police] didn't arrest him because they knew they could be implicated as aiding and abetting in the crimes of the McMichaels," said attorney Benjamin Crump, who represents Arbery's family.

Graddy said English had previously sent screenshots of people entering the property to police but never saw this text message and never contacted McMichael.

English noticed that people were entering the construction site because his phone would send him a push notification when a motion sensor was triggered, Graddy told ABC News.

The security video shows several different people entering the property, one appearing to be Arbery.

Homeowner's lawyer: Ahmaud Arbery may have entered property for water breaks before fatal shooting

Video released Friday shows a black man in a T-shirt and shorts leaving the home-building site Dec. 17. He walks a few feet, then runs to the street at a jogging pace.

abc7.com

First of all, I have not taken the stance of defending the McMichaels. I already replied to another poster that I don't care if they go to jail or not. It does look like they will be going to jail.

You could have fooled me.

When I said reports, I'm referring to the news coverage that has talked about the other trespassers. There was a previous incident on the property that involved a 911 call. I don't know if the property owner called it on a black guy or on someone else, but it was something mentioned in multiple articles early on when the Arbery incident first came to light.

Yea Travis McMichael claims he confronted a black dude.

And yes, I do know that whites steal guns too. The reason I brought up the gun theft is that it sounds like the McMichaels were on higher alert than normal after that event. Unfortunately, that led to them making some very poor decisions later on, but whether or not those decisions were specifically racist isn't known.

Yea it is known, you are just in denial.

Given what is known currently, making the argument that the McMichaels were murderous is substantially easier than suggesting they were specifically motivated by race. That requires a lot more evidence and analysis.

Edit: Man, the quotes tags are really screwed up now, and I don't know how to fix them.

The McMichaels and Bryan are 3 murdering, racist ass, hilly billys. Plain and simple.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

I think the main thing we can learn from this is that, if you have a construction site near a certain demographic makeup, you need to either hire security or have a secure fence around it. Otherwise, "joggers" may decide to borrow a few things.

I think too much attention is being given to the trespassing aspect of this case....though it is what got the McMicharls involved as in Gregory McMichals a former policeman and investigator had been deputized to handle such problems in the neighborhood since he lived there and stuff had been stolen from his son's truck.

The critical part of this case to me and though I have never practiced law(I did go to Law School in Atlanta) is the way Ahmaud Arbary brazenly attacked Travis McMichael even though he was holding a shotgun.

Some ask would anyone sane do such a thing?

Well we could all conjecture about that...but it is on record that Ahmaud had mental problems and a persecution complex which can be seen in the various videos of his previous encounters with the police.....the enhanced glorious photo of ahmaud circulated by the media does not show the real Amaud....a convicted thief.

This much is certain -- if Ahmaud was white, we'd never have heard of him, and no one would care that he got shot.

The story just has the right racial optics to manipulate the masses.

No if Ahmaud were white they would have never bothered him in the first place, notice that they didn't chase any of the white trespassers on the property. Why is that?

According to the reports on the other trespassers, many were children, and multiple videos involve a black male, but it's not certain whether it is the same black male each time.

What reports would that be? So when white kids trespass it isn't trespassing.

Only one video is confirmed to be Arbery. So, it doesn't appear that the McMichaels were chasing off all blacks from the area.

What? You talk about reaching, boy you right wingers will do whatever you can to defend these racist murderers.

What did happen is that a gun was stolen from Travis McMichael's truck shortly about a month and a half before he and Gregory chased Arbery.

Which means what? Anybody could have stolen his gun, whites do steal guns. You do know that don't you?

Does that justify what they did? Of course not.

So why did you bring it up?

Was it racially motivated? Possibly, although that would be easier to determine if we had a timeline of trespassers on English's property. Without knowing how many trespassers were at the property since the gun theft and what race each of them were, it's hard to determine.

How many other people did they confront on someone else's property? English never asked the McMichaels to confront someone on his property.

"It now appears that this young man may have been coming onto the property for water," J. Elizabeth Graddy, the attorney for homeowner Larry English, said in a statement. "There is a water source at the dock behind the house as well as a source near the front of the structure. Although these water sources do not appear within any of the cameras' frames, the young man moves to and from their locations."

Nothing had been stolen from the property, she said.

Graddy also shared a text exchange with ABC News, allegedly showing that a police officer sent McMichael's phone number to English and told him that McMichael would offer assistance if anyone else came onto the construction site.

"This text may be the reason [police] didn't arrest him because they knew they could be implicated as aiding and abetting in the crimes of the McMichaels," said attorney Benjamin Crump, who represents Arbery's family.

Graddy said English had previously sent screenshots of people entering the property to police but never saw this text message and never contacted McMichael.

English noticed that people were entering the construction site because his phone would send him a push notification when a motion sensor was triggered, Graddy told ABC News.

The security video shows several different people entering the property, one appearing to be Arbery.

Homeowner's lawyer: Ahmaud Arbery may have entered property for water breaks before fatal shooting

Video released Friday shows a black man in a T-shirt and shorts leaving the home-building site Dec. 17. He walks a few feet, then runs to the street at a jogging pace.

abc7.com

English has received death threats since the arrests, his attorney said in an interview Monday night, speaking on behalf of her client.

Yea from right wing, racists.

Thus not surprising he is attempting to demonstrate sympathy for Ahmaud.

Or he is just telling the truth, imagine that.

The bottom line he does not want to be blamed by the radical elements for anything......quite understandable....he has a heart condition and needs peace...and no involvement in what has become a hot political potatoe.

What's the maximum effective rate of an excuse?

Yet...it cannot be denied he installed security cameras and talked to the police who advised him to call Gregory McMichaels about any problems he might have with trespassers.

Graddy said English had previously sent screenshots of people entering the property to police but never saw this text message and never contacted McMichael.

What part of that don't you understand?

 

[TheGreenHornet]

I think the main thing we can learn from this is that, if you have a construction site near a certain demographic makeup, you need to either hire security or have a secure fence around it. Otherwise, "joggers" may decide to borrow a few things.

I think too much attention is being given to the trespassing aspect of this case....though it is what got the McMicharls involved as in Gregory McMichals a former policeman and investigator had been deputized to handle such problems in the neighborhood since he lived there and stuff had been stolen from his son's truck.

The critical part of this case to me and though I have never practiced law(I did go to Law School in Atlanta) is the way Ahmaud Arbary brazenly attacked Travis McMichael even though he was holding a shotgun.

Some ask would anyone sane do such a thing?

Well we could all conjecture about that...but it is on record that Ahmaud had mental problems and a persecution complex which can be seen in the various videos of his previous encounters with the police.....the enhanced glorious photo of ahmaud circulated by the media does not show the real Amaud....a convicted thief.

This much is certain -- if Ahmaud was white, we'd never have heard of him, and no one would care that he got shot.

The story just has the right racial optics to manipulate the masses.

No if Ahmaud were white they would have never bothered him in the first place, notice that they didn't chase any of the white trespassers on the property. Why is that?

According to the reports on the other trespassers, many were children, and multiple videos involve a black male, but it's not certain whether it is the same black male each time.

What reports would that be? So when white kids trespass it isn't trespassing.

Only one video is confirmed to be Arbery. So, it doesn't appear that the McMichaels were chasing off all blacks from the area.

What? You talk about reaching, boy you right wingers will do whatever you can to defend these racist murderers.

What did happen is that a gun was stolen from Travis McMichael's truck shortly about a month and a half before he and Gregory chased Arbery.

Which means what? Anybody could have stolen his gun, whites do steal guns. You do know that don't you?

Does that justify what they did? Of course not.

So why did you bring it up?

Was it racially motivated? Possibly, although that would be easier to determine if we had a timeline of trespassers on English's property. Without knowing how many trespassers were at the property since the gun theft and what race each of them were, it's hard to determine.

How many other people did they confront on someone else's property? English never asked the McMichaels to confront someone on his property.

"It now appears that this young man may have been coming onto the property for water," J. Elizabeth Graddy, the attorney for homeowner Larry English, said in a statement. "There is a water source at the dock behind the house as well as a source near the front of the structure. Although these water sources do not appear within any of the cameras' frames, the young man moves to and from their locations."

Nothing had been stolen from the property, she said.

Graddy also shared a text exchange with ABC News, allegedly showing that a police officer sent McMichael's phone number to English and told him that McMichael would offer assistance if anyone else came onto the construction site.

"This text may be the reason [police] didn't arrest him because they knew they could be implicated as aiding and abetting in the crimes of the McMichaels," said attorney Benjamin Crump, who represents Arbery's family.

Graddy said English had previously sent screenshots of people entering the property to police but never saw this text message and never contacted McMichael.

English noticed that people were entering the construction site because his phone would send him a push notification when a motion sensor was triggered, Graddy told ABC News.

The security video shows several different people entering the property, one appearing to be Arbery.

Homeowner's lawyer: Ahmaud Arbery may have entered property for water breaks before fatal shooting

Video released Friday shows a black man in a T-shirt and shorts leaving the home-building site Dec. 17. He walks a few feet, then runs to the street at a jogging pace.

abc7.com

English has received death threats since the arrests, his attorney said in an interview Monday night, speaking on behalf of her client.

Yea from right wing, racists.

Thus not surprising he is attempting to demonstrate sympathy for Ahmaud.

Or he is just telling the truth, imagine that.

The bottom line he does not want to be blamed by the radical elements for anything......quite understandable....he has a heart condition and needs peace...and no involvement in what has become a hot political potatoe.

What's the maximum effective rate of an excuse?

Yet...it cannot be denied he installed security cameras and talked to the police who advised him to call Gregory McMichaels about any problems he might have with trespassers.

Graddy said English had previously sent screenshots of people entering the property to police but never saw this text message and never contacted McMichael.

What part of that don't you understand?

The ole guy is in poor health.....has a heart problem and is frightened by BLM, Antifa etc.....who have sent him death threats.

Thus he is going along with the charade to get along.

I do not blame him....he deserves to live in peace ....and it was not racist of him to install security cams as the cams captured anyone who went in there irregardless of race.