3 mass shooting, three semi automtic rifles

[RealDave]

That ban was a ban of cosmetic features that do nothing to increase the lethality of a rifle

Wrong.the argument over "cosmetic features" was an argument over how to define what is and is not an assault rifle and it began because gun nuts were trying to confuse the issue. They SHOULD have simply banned all magazine fed semi auto rifles. That would have been far more effective and far more "elegant".

And wholly unnecessary... and wholly ineffective... and wholly unconstitutional.

Totally constitutional. The USSC has ruled guns can be regulated.

 

[Blues Man]

Because assault weapons ARE the weapon of choice for mass murder

According to Mother Jones:
From 1982 thru all of 2018, 'assault weapons' accounted for 378 mass shooting deaths; handguns accounted for 427 such deaths.
The 378 total deaths by 'assault weapons' in mass shootings 1982-2018 represent 42.95% of total deaths in mass shootings; handguns represent 48.52%
US mass shootings, 1982-2019: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation
Thus, your statement is either a lie, or a statement of abject ignorance.
Let us know which.

It depends a lot on how many fatalities...

No. It doesn't. Fact, it, most deaths in mass shootings come from handguns; this negates the argument that 'assault weapons' are the weapon of choice.

You really don't know shit. Your stats had mass shootings at 3 deaths. If you change that to say 8, the percentages of handguns or assault rifles would change.

but the percentages of murders committed in mass shooting would be even less so it doesn't help your case to define a mass shooting as 8 deaths

 

[RealDave]

Not this stupid ******* argument again.
Jesus **** can you people get a ******* brain.

Says the guy who believes "Real sane gun owners wouldn't own an assault type rifle"

Ahhhh poor baby if you couldn't own every type of gun ever made.

Not this stupid ******* argument again.
Jesus **** can you get a ******* brain.

Why do you need to own an assault type rifle? How many dead children do you think thy your need outweighs?
What do you do with it? Besies getting beered up & shootiing bottles?

Not this stupid ******* argument again.
Jesus **** can you get a ******* brain.

So, you are too embarrassed to say why you need to own an assault rifle? You are embarrassed to say what you do with it?
Is it you can;'t shoot? Is it because it makes you feel like a tough guy when you carry it? Are you such an asshole, thousands of people want to attack you?

 

[Blues Man]

Says the guy who believes "Real sane gun owners wouldn't own an assault type rifle"

Ahhhh poor baby if you couldn't own every type of gun ever made.

Not this stupid ******* argument again.
Jesus **** can you get a ******* brain.

Why do you need to own an assault type rifle? How many dead children do you think thy your need outweighs?
What do you do with it? Besies getting beered up & shootiing bottles?

Not this stupid ******* argument again.
Jesus **** can you get a ******* brain.

So, you are too embarrassed to say why you need to own an assault rifle? You are embarrassed to say what you do with it?
Is it you can;'t shoot? Is it because it makes you feel like a tough guy when you carry it? Are you such an asshole, thousands of people want to attack you?

A semiautomatic rifle is not an assault rifle

How many times do you have to be told this?

And FYI I don't own an AR 15 because I think it's underpowered. I prefer my .308 with hollow point ammo.

You think an AR 15 does damage? You should see what my .308 does

 

[RealDave]

Because assault weapons ARE the weapon of choice for mass murder

According to Mother Jones:
From 1982 thru all of 2018, 'assault weapons' accounted for 378 mass shooting deaths; handguns accounted for 427 such deaths.
The 378 total deaths by 'assault weapons' in mass shootings 1982-2018 represent 42.95% of total deaths in mass shootings; handguns represent 48.52%
US mass shootings, 1982-2019: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation
Thus, your statement is either a lie, or a statement of abject ignorance.
Let us know which.

It depends a lot on how many fatalities...

No. It doesn't. Fact, it, most deaths in mass shootings come from handguns; this negates the argument that 'assault weapons' are the weapon of choice.

You really don't know shit. Your stats had mass shootings at 3 deaths. If you change that to say 8, the percentages of handguns or assault rifles would change.

but the percentages of murders committed in mass shooting would be even less so it doesn't help your case to define a mass shooting as 8 deaths

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The idea of banning assault type rifles is to reduce the number of mass shootings and reduce the number of deaths when they happen.

By using a low number to define a mass shooting, you bring in a lot of shooting that have nothing to do with the types of attacks we are talking about.

 

[Blues Man]

According to Mother Jones:
From 1982 thru all of 2018, 'assault weapons' accounted for 378 mass shooting deaths; handguns accounted for 427 such deaths.
The 378 total deaths by 'assault weapons' in mass shootings 1982-2018 represent 42.95% of total deaths in mass shootings; handguns represent 48.52%
US mass shootings, 1982-2019: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation
Thus, your statement is either a lie, or a statement of abject ignorance.
Let us know which.

It depends a lot on how many fatalities...

No. It doesn't. Fact, it, most deaths in mass shootings come from handguns; this negates the argument that 'assault weapons' are the weapon of choice.

You really don't know shit. Your stats had mass shootings at 3 deaths. If you change that to say 8, the percentages of handguns or assault rifles would change.

but the percentages of murders committed in mass shooting would be even less so it doesn't help your case to define a mass shooting as 8 deaths

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The idea of banning assault type rifles is to reduce the number of mass shootings and reduce the number of deaths when they happen.

By using a low number to define a mass shooting, you bring in a lot of shooting that have nothing to do with the types of attacks we are talking about.

And you are fixated on the absolute smallest part of the murder problem.

And what makes you think that a person won't use another firearm instead of a rifle?

The VA Tech shooter killed 32 people with a couple handguns

 

[RealDave]

Ahhhh poor baby if you couldn't own every type of gun ever made.

Not this stupid ******* argument again.
Jesus **** can you get a ******* brain.

Why do you need to own an assault type rifle? How many dead children do you think thy your need outweighs?
What do you do with it? Besies getting beered up & shootiing bottles?

Not this stupid ******* argument again.
Jesus **** can you get a ******* brain.

So, you are too embarrassed to say why you need to own an assault rifle? You are embarrassed to say what you do with it?
Is it you can;'t shoot? Is it because it makes you feel like a tough guy when you carry it? Are you such an asshole, thousands of people want to attack you?

A semiautomatic rifle is not an assault rifle

How many times do you have to be told this?

And FYI I don't own an AR 15 because I think it's underpowered. I prefer my .308 with hollow point ammo.

You think an AR 15 does damage? You should see what my .308 does

JESUS ******* CHRIST will you assholes quit running around with this "OMG OMG OMNG the assault type rifles are not assault rifles" bullshit.
We all know what guns are being discussed. So really, quit being such a ******* dick about it.

We are talking about semi automatics & the number of bullets they can fire especially with oversized magazines.

Furthermore, don;t think you people are the only ones who know about guns. I probably own more than you.

 

[Blues Man]

Not this stupid ******* argument again.
Jesus **** can you get a ******* brain.

Why do you need to own an assault type rifle? How many dead children do you think thy your need outweighs?
What do you do with it? Besies getting beered up & shootiing bottles?

Not this stupid ******* argument again.
Jesus **** can you get a ******* brain.

So, you are too embarrassed to say why you need to own an assault rifle? You are embarrassed to say what you do with it?
Is it you can;'t shoot? Is it because it makes you feel like a tough guy when you carry it? Are you such an asshole, thousands of people want to attack you?

A semiautomatic rifle is not an assault rifle

How many times do you have to be told this?

And FYI I don't own an AR 15 because I think it's underpowered. I prefer my .308 with hollow point ammo.

You think an AR 15 does damage? You should see what my .308 does

JESUS ******* CHRIST will you assholes quit running around with this "OMG OMG OMNG the assault type rifles are not assault rifles" bullshit.
We all know what guns are being discussed. So really, quit being such a ******* dick about it.

We are talking about semi automatics & the number of bullets they can fire especially with oversized magazines.

Furthermore, don;t think you people are the only ones who know about guns. I probably own more than you.

I know what guns are being discussed

You obviously don't and you are obviously incapable of learning what rifles are being discussed.

FYI 3 10 round magazine = 1 30 round magazine. So banning a 30 round magazine will not stop anyone from shooting 30 rounds in virtually the same amount of time


Unlike you I don't give a shit if you own guns or how many you own. Your language illustrates that you don't know the most fundamental differences between types of firearms.

 

[RealDave]

It depends a lot on how many fatalities...

No. It doesn't. Fact, it, most deaths in mass shootings come from handguns; this negates the argument that 'assault weapons' are the weapon of choice.

You really don't know shit. Your stats had mass shootings at 3 deaths. If you change that to say 8, the percentages of handguns or assault rifles would change.

but the percentages of murders committed in mass shooting would be even less so it doesn't help your case to define a mass shooting as 8 deaths

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The idea of banning assault type rifles is to reduce the number of mass shootings and reduce the number of deaths when they happen.

By using a low number to define a mass shooting, you bring in a lot of shooting that have nothing to do with the types of attacks we are talking about.

And you are fixated on the absolute smallest part of the murder problem.

And what makes you think that a person won't use another firearm instead of a rifle?

The VA Tech shooter killed 32 people with a couple handguns

That is because we are looking at mass shootings like these school shootings. Not all murders.

If they use a different weapon, it won;t have the firepower.

You also don't consider the following:

1) The assault type rifle gives courage to these shooters.
2) Police are less likely to charge in if there appears to me more firepower in play

 

[Lesh]

The VA Tech shooter killed 32 people with a couple handguns

Good argument for banning all magazine fed semi autos

 

[Blues Man]

No. It doesn't. Fact, it, most deaths in mass shootings come from handguns; this negates the argument that 'assault weapons' are the weapon of choice.

You really don't know shit. Your stats had mass shootings at 3 deaths. If you change that to say 8, the percentages of handguns or assault rifles would change.

but the percentages of murders committed in mass shooting would be even less so it doesn't help your case to define a mass shooting as 8 deaths

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The idea of banning assault type rifles is to reduce the number of mass shootings and reduce the number of deaths when they happen.

By using a low number to define a mass shooting, you bring in a lot of shooting that have nothing to do with the types of attacks we are talking about.

And you are fixated on the absolute smallest part of the murder problem.

And what makes you think that a person won't use another firearm instead of a rifle?

The VA Tech shooter killed 32 people with a couple handguns

That is because we are looking at mass shootings like these school shootings. Not all murders.

If they use a different weapon, it won;t have the firepower.

You also don't consider the following:

1) The assault type rifle gives courage to these shooters.
2) Police are less likely to charge in if there appears to me more firepower in play

Like I said you are fixated on the absolute smallest part of the murder rate so even if you were ever successful you would not have any effect on the murder rate

 

[Blues Man]

The VA Tech shooter killed 32 people with a couple handguns

Good argument for banning all magazine fed semi autos

Never gonna happen.

 

[Lesh]

FYI 3 10 round magazine = 1 30 round magazine. So banning a 30 round magazine will not stop anyone from shooting 30 rounds in virtually the same amount of time

Bullshit, Any time a magazine has to be changed the shooter becomes vulnerable. In the Gabby Giffords shooting that was when the shooter was over powered. When he was changing Mags.

But you're right. Even a ten round mag and the relatively quick change of these is exceedingly dangerous.

Which is why weapons that are magazine fed should be banned.

We have no real need for such weapons. Not for self defense and not for hunting

 

[Lesh]

Like I said you are fixated on the absolute smallest part of the murder rate so even if you were ever successful you would not have any effect on the murder rate

You're saying that mass shootings isn't a concern. Most sane people disagree

 

[Lesh]

Never gonna happen.

You keep making that argument and it will

 

[Geaux4it]

The last three whack jobs that went on a shooting spree used semi automatic rifles. The last two wore tactical gear.

Background checks?

If all these nutsos want them then I suggest that the idea some one wants them is a sign they are mentally off.

The more they assault type rifles want, the more whacked they are. Probably at least at by the square of that number.

Have two, 4 times as as crazy. Have 4, 16 times as crazy.

Next, add another factor of ten for every piece of "tactical gear" they own.

Really, you are way off the deep end if you have to dress up in this tactical gear.

Real sane gun owners wouldn't own an assault type rifle. Not good for hunting, not good for self defense. They would be safe.

Just those crazy ***** running around in tactical gear toting their AR-15, round them up & send them to the psycho ward.

Good time to go buy some more firearms... Stock as many as possible. When required, buy another safe and stock more

-Geaux

 

[hjmick]

Not this stupid ******* argument again.
Jesus **** can you get a ******* brain.

Why do you need to own an assault type rifle? How many dead children do you think thy your need outweighs?
What do you do with it? Besies getting beered up & shootiing bottles?

Not this stupid ******* argument again.
Jesus **** can you get a ******* brain.

So, you are too embarrassed to say why you need to own an assault rifle? You are embarrassed to say what you do with it?
Is it you can;'t shoot? Is it because it makes you feel like a tough guy when you carry it? Are you such an asshole, thousands of people want to attack you?

A semiautomatic rifle is not an assault rifle

How many times do you have to be told this?

And FYI I don't own an AR 15 because I think it's underpowered. I prefer my .308 with hollow point ammo.

You think an AR 15 does damage? You should see what my .308 does

JESUS ******* CHRIST will you assholes quit running around with this "OMG OMG OMNG the assault type rifles are not assault rifles" bullshit.
We all know what guns are being discussed. So really, quit being such a ******* dick about it.

We are talking about semi automatics & the number of bullets they can fire especially with oversized magazines.

Furthermore, don;t think you people are the only ones who know about guns. I probably own more than you.

JESUS ******* CHRIST will you assholes quit running around with this "OMG OMG OMG the guns LOOK like the kind the military use and they LOOK scary! They must be ASSAULT RIFLES" bullshit?

We do what guns are being discussed. So really, quit being such ******* dicks about it.

We are talking about semi automatics & the number of bullets they can fire, one at time, ONE with each pull of the trigger.

Furthermore, don't pretend banning them is the magic pill that end the heinous shootings.

And it doesn't matter how many you own, it doesn't make up for your ignorance on the subject.

 

[Lesh]

Sure. Piss away your money and let that iron rot in a safe.

 

[Geaux4it]

Like I said you are fixated on the absolute smallest part of the murder rate so even if you were ever successful you would not have any effect on the murder rate

You're saying that mass shootings isn't a concern. Most sane people disagree

That's because gun grabbers actually 'think' they are sane. Obama also thought he was a good POTUS

-Geaux

 

[RealDave]

Why do you need to own an assault type rifle? How many dead children do you think thy your need outweighs?
What do you do with it? Besies getting beered up & shootiing bottles?

Not this stupid ******* argument again.
Jesus **** can you get a ******* brain.

So, you are too embarrassed to say why you need to own an assault rifle? You are embarrassed to say what you do with it?
Is it you can;'t shoot? Is it because it makes you feel like a tough guy when you carry it? Are you such an asshole, thousands of people want to attack you?

A semiautomatic rifle is not an assault rifle

How many times do you have to be told this?

And FYI I don't own an AR 15 because I think it's underpowered. I prefer my .308 with hollow point ammo.

You think an AR 15 does damage? You should see what my .308 does

JESUS ******* CHRIST will you assholes quit running around with this "OMG OMG OMNG the assault type rifles are not assault rifles" bullshit.
We all know what guns are being discussed. So really, quit being such a ******* dick about it.

We are talking about semi automatics & the number of bullets they can fire especially with oversized magazines.

Furthermore, don;t think you people are the only ones who know about guns. I probably own more than you.

I know what guns are being discussed

You obviously don't and you are obviously incapable of learning what rifles are being discussed.

FYI 3 10 round magazine = 1 30 round magazine. So banning a 30 round magazine will not stop anyone from shooting 30 rounds in virtually the same amount of time


Unlike you I don't give a shit if you own guns or how many you own. Your language illustrates that you don't know the most fundamental differences between types of firearms.

**** off.

Obviously, the guns being used are semi-automatic rifles like the AR-15. I know what they are. I also know the term "Assault rifle" is typically used to discuss these weapons whether or not they fit your definition. We had an assault rifle ban & I guess you have zero clue what was banned. You just spew that same bullshit to avoid the real problem of these assault type rifle.

If larger magazines save no time why the **** do you need them? Hell, lets limit them to 5. Since they make no difference. But hey, you're the expert, right?