260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December

[ogibillm]

and yet you can't admit to the fact that people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

You still havent proven they wouldnt have used a different method if they didnt have access to a gun.

you clearly don't understand what a suicide rate means

or are you saying guns make people suicidal?

You clearly dont understand that a firearm isnt the only way to kill yourself.

i do understand that. but you can't seem to grasp that those with access to firearms kill themselves at a greater rate than those without.

Strawman, they don't. They kill themselves with firearms at a higher rate, but no, they don't kill themselves at a higher rate

lol. that's not what the science says.

 

[paulitician]

Most of our soldiers and Veterans understand they have an Anti-American foreigner Globalist asshole for a Commander in Chief. They despise him. Nuff said.

 

[kaz]

You still havent proven they wouldnt have used a different method if they didnt have access to a gun.

you clearly don't understand what a suicide rate means

or are you saying guns make people suicidal?

You clearly dont understand that a firearm isnt the only way to kill yourself.

i do understand that. but you can't seem to grasp that those with access to firearms kill themselves at a greater rate than those without.

Strawman, they don't. They kill themselves with firearms at a higher rate, but no, they don't kill themselves at a higher rate

lol. that's not what the science says.

Suicide rates in the US are almost exactly the same as the UK. Gun suicides are far higher here. They don't have nearly as many guns, but people just kill themselves other ways there.

The facts are not your friend

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

You still havent proven they wouldnt have used a different method if they didnt have access to a gun.

you clearly don't understand what a suicide rate means

or are you saying guns make people suicidal?

You clearly dont understand that a firearm isnt the only way to kill yourself.

i do understand that. but you can't seem to grasp that those with access to firearms kill themselves at a greater rate than those without.

what part of Japan, China and South Korea, where only criminals have access to guns, yet they have a higher rate of suicide than we do.....also France, and several other countries in Europe have higher suicide rates than we do...........

good god you're trying really hard to ignore the reality that in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

Critical thinking is not your strong point.
The method used is irrelevant. If there were no guns but plenty of tall buildings that would be the method of choice for the majority of suicides.
So would you go on a crusade to destroy all structures tall enough to cause certain death if you were to jump from them?
This is a thinly veiled attack on the 2nd amendment...try harder because this one ain't gonna work.

 

[2aguy]

You still havent proven they wouldnt have used a different method if they didnt have access to a gun.

you clearly don't understand what a suicide rate means

or are you saying guns make people suicidal?

You clearly dont understand that a firearm isnt the only way to kill yourself.

i do understand that. but you can't seem to grasp that those with access to firearms kill themselves at a greater rate than those without.

what part of Japan, China and South Korea, where only criminals have access to guns, yet they have a higher rate of suicide than we do.....also France, and several other countries in Europe have higher suicide rates than we do...........

good god you're trying really hard to ignore the reality that in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

And you don't care about the other half who don't use guns.....or the fact...the fact, that the ones who use guns will simply use something else...like they do in Japan, South Korea and China as well as France and several other European countries where access to guns for law abiding people is limited to non existent...........

Why do you only care about gun suicides........?

Because you have a phobia about guns....

 

[kaz]

you clearly don't understand what a suicide rate means

or are you saying guns make people suicidal?

You clearly dont understand that a firearm isnt the only way to kill yourself.

i do understand that. but you can't seem to grasp that those with access to firearms kill themselves at a greater rate than those without.

what part of Japan, China and South Korea, where only criminals have access to guns, yet they have a higher rate of suicide than we do.....also France, and several other countries in Europe have higher suicide rates than we do...........

good god you're trying really hard to ignore the reality that in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

And you don't care about the other half who don't use guns.....or the fact...the fact, that the ones who use guns will simply use something else...like they do in Japan, South Korea and China as well as France and several other European countries where access to guns for law abiding people is limited to non existent...........

Why do you only care about gun suicides........?

Because you have a phobia about guns....

All government authoritarians oppose private citizens having guns for the obvious reason

 

[2aguy]

It ain't about suicide it's about allowing clearly incompetent people who can't even handle a freaking checkbook to purchase weapons. It's about killing spouses and using PTSD as a defense. It's about the freaking legal mess of authorizing clearly incompetent people to leave weapons around for children to handle. We can't eliminate all suicides and accidental shootings by legislation but Americans at least have the duty to keep weapons out of the hands of admitted crazy people.

Sorry......there were 320,000,000 million guns in private hands in 2013.....there were a grand total of 505 accidental gun deaths.

Gun accidents are not a problem....American gun owners are amazingly responsible.

So with your post you must support the idea of gun safety education in public schools...right?

 

[paulitician]

The Globalist Elite 'Permanent War' scum, only want our soldiers/vets possessing firearms when they send em off to be killed & maimed to enrich their coffers. Otherwise, they should be disarmed and completely obedient.

 

[NYcarbineer]

i'm going to do this for the people (Iceweasel) accusing me of lying or misapplying the law.

(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person --



(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;



(2) is a fugitive from justice;



(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));



(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;

The Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618

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§ 478.11Meaning of terms.
When used in this part and in forms prescribed under this part, where not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible with the intent thereof, terms shall have the meanings ascribed in this section. Words in the plural form shall include the singular, and vice versa, and words importing the masculine gender shall include the feminine. The terms “includes” and “including” do not exclude other things not enumerated which are in the same general class or are otherwise within the scope thereof.
Act. 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44.
Adjudicated as a mental defective. (a) A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that aperson, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease:
(1) Is a danger to himself or to others; or
(2) Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.
(b) The term shall include—
(1) A finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case; and
(2) Those persons found incompetent to stand trial or found not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility pursuant to articles 50a and 72b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
.

27 CFR 478.11 - Meaning of terms.

now, if anyone believes that those very clear pieces of text do not mean what they so clearly do please feel free to say why - or continue to argue from ignorance and emotion.

I think I can clear this up for you...

Here are the disqualifications for owning a firearm....

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/44/922

(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year; (2) is a fugitive from justice; (3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); (4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution; (5) who, being an alien - (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26))); (6) who (!2) has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship; (8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that - (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and (B)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. - See more at: 18 U.S.C. § 922 : US Code - Section 922: Unlawful acts

Now, in case you're a real Dumbass, "adjudicated" means a determination was made by the COURTS....

So the VA exceeded their authority by usurping the court's role and making the determination that the veteran's should lose their Second Amendment rights on their own (non-existant) authority....

exactly but anti rights folks dont care

If the VA exceeded its authority it's a simple matter of someone with standing to go to court and get it remedied.

 

[jon_berzerk]

i'm going to do this for the people (Iceweasel) accusing me of lying or misapplying the law.

(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person --



(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;



(2) is a fugitive from justice;



(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));



(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;

The Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618

[/SIZE][/B]
§ 478.11Meaning of terms.
When used in this part and in forms prescribed under this part, where not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible with the intent thereof, terms shall have the meanings ascribed in this section. Words in the plural form shall include the singular, and vice versa, and words importing the masculine gender shall include the feminine. The terms “includes” and “including” do not exclude other things not enumerated which are in the same general class or are otherwise within the scope thereof.
Act. 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44.
Adjudicated as a mental defective. (a) A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that aperson, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease:
(1) Is a danger to himself or to others; or
(2) Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.
(b) The term shall include—
(1) A finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case; and
(2) Those persons found incompetent to stand trial or found not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility pursuant to articles 50a and 72b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
.

27 CFR 478.11 - Meaning of terms.

now, if anyone believes that those very clear pieces of text do not mean what they so clearly do please feel free to say why - or continue to argue from ignorance and emotion.

I think I can clear this up for you...

Here are the disqualifications for owning a firearm....

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/44/922

(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year; (2) is a fugitive from justice; (3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); (4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution; (5) who, being an alien - (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26))); (6) who (!2) has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship; (8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that - (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and (B)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. - See more at: 18 U.S.C. § 922 : US Code - Section 922: Unlawful acts

Now, in case you're a real Dumbass, "adjudicated" means a determination was made by the COURTS....

So the VA exceeded their authority by usurping the court's role and making the determination that the veteran's should lose their Second Amendment rights on their own (non-existant) authority....

exactly but anti rights folks dont care

If the VA exceeded its authority it's a simple matter of someone with standing to go to court and get it remedied.

you can bank on it

 

[NYcarbineer]

It ain't about suicide it's about allowing clearly incompetent people who can't even handle a freaking checkbook to purchase weapons. It's about killing spouses and using PTSD as a defense. It's about the freaking legal mess of authorizing clearly incompetent people to leave weapons around for children to handle. We can't eliminate all suicides and accidental shootings by legislation but Americans at least have the duty to keep weapons out of the hands of admitted crazy people.

Sorry......there were 320,000,000 million guns in private hands in 2013.....there were a grand total of 505 accidental gun deaths.

Gun accidents are not a problem....American gun owners are amazingly responsible.

So with your post you must support the idea of gun safety education in public schools...right?

You mean 505 is a small number of deaths,

compared to 4 in Benghazi.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

It ain't about suicide it's about allowing clearly incompetent people who can't even handle a freaking checkbook to purchase weapons. It's about killing spouses and using PTSD as a defense. It's about the freaking legal mess of authorizing clearly incompetent people to leave weapons around for children to handle. We can't eliminate all suicides and accidental shootings by legislation but Americans at least have the duty to keep weapons out of the hands of admitted crazy people.

Sorry......there were 320,000,000 million guns in private hands in 2013.....there were a grand total of 505 accidental gun deaths.

Gun accidents are not a problem....American gun owners are amazingly responsible.

So with your post you must support the idea of gun safety education in public schools...right?

You mean 505 is a small number of deaths,

compared to 4 in Benghazi.

Last time I checked the 2nd Amendment doesnt apply in Libya.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It ain't about suicide it's about allowing clearly incompetent people who can't even handle a freaking checkbook to purchase weapons. It's about killing spouses and using PTSD as a defense. It's about the freaking legal mess of authorizing clearly incompetent people to leave weapons around for children to handle. We can't eliminate all suicides and accidental shootings by legislation but Americans at least have the duty to keep weapons out of the hands of admitted crazy people.

Sorry......there were 320,000,000 million guns in private hands in 2013.....there were a grand total of 505 accidental gun deaths.

Gun accidents are not a problem....American gun owners are amazingly responsible.

So with your post you must support the idea of gun safety education in public schools...right?

You mean 505 is a small number of deaths,

compared to 4 in Benghazi.

Last time I checked the 2nd Amendment doesnt apply in Libya.

No, coconuts are not migratory.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

It ain't about suicide it's about allowing clearly incompetent people who can't even handle a freaking checkbook to purchase weapons. It's about killing spouses and using PTSD as a defense. It's about the freaking legal mess of authorizing clearly incompetent people to leave weapons around for children to handle. We can't eliminate all suicides and accidental shootings by legislation but Americans at least have the duty to keep weapons out of the hands of admitted crazy people.

Sorry......there were 320,000,000 million guns in private hands in 2013.....there were a grand total of 505 accidental gun deaths.

Gun accidents are not a problem....American gun owners are amazingly responsible.

So with your post you must support the idea of gun safety education in public schools...right?

You mean 505 is a small number of deaths,

compared to 4 in Benghazi.

Last time I checked the 2nd Amendment doesnt apply in Libya.

No, coconuts are not migratory.

You off your meds?

 

[paulitician]

Sadly, our soldiers today are used as mere Mercenaries for the Globalist Elites. They're getting killed and maimed to make some Elites richer. Most being sent to hellholes to die, have no real understanding of why. They don't understand the 'missions.' It's a very bad time to sign up and serve in our military. It's why the Permanent War folks have to constanly invent new Boogeymen.

Most Americans are beginning to figure it out. They don't wanna die, just to make some Global Elites more wealthy and powerful. Less & less parents are recommending their children sign up. They don't see a just cause to fight for at this point. All you have to do is take a look at how awful these folks treat our Veterans. That's all the proof you need to know what the Elites are about.

 

[ogibillm]

you clearly don't understand what a suicide rate means

or are you saying guns make people suicidal?

You clearly dont understand that a firearm isnt the only way to kill yourself.

i do understand that. but you can't seem to grasp that those with access to firearms kill themselves at a greater rate than those without.

what part of Japan, China and South Korea, where only criminals have access to guns, yet they have a higher rate of suicide than we do.....also France, and several other countries in Europe have higher suicide rates than we do...........

good god you're trying really hard to ignore the reality that in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

And you don't care about the other half who don't use guns.....or the fact...the fact, that the ones who use guns will simply use something else...like they do in Japan, South Korea and China as well as France and several other European countries where access to guns for law abiding people is limited to non existent...........

Why do you only care about gun suicides........?

Because you have a phobia about guns....

attempt to deflect all you want, the fact remains that those with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

 

[PredFan]

So jumping from a tall building is any different?

yep. climbing to the top of a tall building, finding a place to jump, and then diing so is a lot more difficult than getting drunk and sad with a loaded gun

Look, I know I'm wasting my time here, you liberal idiots wouldn't ever admit you were wrong even if you were smart enough to realize you were wrong. But hey, I'm bored at the moment so here is a clue for you:

It doesn't matter if guns make it easier, the simple fact is that if someone is determined to kill themselves lack of a gun won't stop them. They do not kill themselves because they have a gun.

No charge for the education.

the simple fact is that people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without. that's a fact, and nobody has been able to dispute it with anything other than their feelings

You don't understand the concept of cause and effect. Not surprising, you are an idiot.

yes i do, you don't seem to

people with access to guns kill themselves more frequent than those without.

i don't think guns are the cause but they sure make that decision and action easier and more likely to succeed

Oh ffs, your stupidity is boring.

 

[PredFan]

yep. climbing to the top of a tall building, finding a place to jump, and then diing so is a lot more difficult than getting drunk and sad with a loaded gun

Look, I know I'm wasting my time here, you liberal idiots wouldn't ever admit you were wrong even if you were smart enough to realize you were wrong. But hey, I'm bored at the moment so here is a clue for you:

It doesn't matter if guns make it easier, the simple fact is that if someone is determined to kill themselves lack of a gun won't stop them. They do not kill themselves because they have a gun.

No charge for the education.

the simple fact is that people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without. that's a fact, and nobody has been able to dispute it with anything other than their feelings

yep. climbing to the top of a tall building, finding a place to jump, and then diing so is a lot more difficult than getting drunk and sad with a loaded gun

Look, I know I'm wasting my time here, you liberal idiots wouldn't ever admit you were wrong even if you were smart enough to realize you were wrong. But hey, I'm bored at the moment so here is a clue for you:

It doesn't matter if guns make it easier, the simple fact is that if someone is determined to kill themselves lack of a gun won't stop them. They do not kill themselves because they have a gun.

No charge for the education.

the simple fact is that people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without. that's a fact, and nobody has been able to dispute it with anything other than their feelings

No..that just means they bought a gun because it was the easy way and in no way indicates they wouldnt have jumped off a parking garage if they couldnt access a gun.

I don't think liberals even know what a "fact" is or how they relate to truth.

and yet you can't admit to the fact that people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

You can't even keep track of what you are arguing about. Go away moron.

 

[PredFan]

Only a liberal would be willing to take someone's rights away because of a statistic.

 

[ogibillm]

yep. climbing to the top of a tall building, finding a place to jump, and then diing so is a lot more difficult than getting drunk and sad with a loaded gun

Look, I know I'm wasting my time here, you liberal idiots wouldn't ever admit you were wrong even if you were smart enough to realize you were wrong. But hey, I'm bored at the moment so here is a clue for you:

It doesn't matter if guns make it easier, the simple fact is that if someone is determined to kill themselves lack of a gun won't stop them. They do not kill themselves because they have a gun.

No charge for the education.

the simple fact is that people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without. that's a fact, and nobody has been able to dispute it with anything other than their feelings

You don't understand the concept of cause and effect. Not surprising, you are an idiot.

yes i do, you don't seem to

people with access to guns kill themselves more frequent than those without.

i don't think guns are the cause but they sure make that decision and action easier and more likely to succeed

Oh ffs, your stupidity is boring.

why can't you admit to the facts?