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$243 Million Dollars spent for a joy ride into space.What a waste.

Concerned American

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Really, you didnt see the trickle down? Who built the rocket? Who supplied the parts to that rocket? Who supplied the food and materials for the employees who built that rocket. See dumbass progs have no clue how an economy works, just parrot the Marxists talking points, dictated by them by their masters.....
Not to mention the tax dollars that were generated to help fund all of those social programs the left is so eager to tout.
 

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And yet you’ve failed to explain yourself.

Yeah, I know. That's the problem of making wild assumptions, it tends to deflect away from the discussion.
 

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Did you return that lucrative pension and benefits that they afforded you? Waaaaaa.
I stated the facts and provided a solution for trickle down. Instead of telling others what to do, why don't you give us what you have done and be a role model?

Isn't that's the problem? People just want others to contribute, but give nothing or very little for social causes.

Anyway, spending on space exploration, science, and technology isn't the problem. It's about 5% expenditure by the Feds and the sector gives back more than it takes. I can't say the same for social programs which are expensive and usually take more than they give back. Of course, I can't say how much a person's life is worth if they are saved or cured, have their life made better, or become healthy enough to work again.
 

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Wikipedia...got it. Of course, there are Socialists in our country.
Wikipedia is only the messenger. They are quoting macroeconomists, not socialists. Seriously, trickle down has been rejected by those who know a lot more about the subject than you or me.
Here's one of your mentors forecasting what was going to happen after President Trump was elected.
Not my mentor. Krugman is too far left for me.

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The latest space EX joy ride into space $243 dollars spent so people can fly into space. Think of all the homes that could have been built for the homeless for $243 million dollars. What a waste.!!?
It really isn't anyone else's business how they spent their money.......its not their responsibility to baby and take care of the freeloaders.
 

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Drive around any major city in the richest nation in the world, and you will see lots homeless people living under bridges and in tents. A good sane society doesn’t allow this.

I lived in LA and SF for decades, I am all to familiar with this. I was even homeless in LA for a few years.

I even saw it in what is really one of the richest countries in the world, with a standard of living much higher than even the US. I have seen it in Europe, I have seen it in the Middle East. I have seen it in East Asia, I have seen it in Central and South America.

However, in the US the majority are there from their own life choices. Not getting a proper education, along with dependence on drugs, alcohol, and mental illness are the main reasons. If somebody decides they would rather live on the handouts they get and smoke the rest in glass pipes instead of getting clean and getting a job, that is not my problem. Myself, I am growing increasingly of the belief that such people should be institutionalized.

But that is the question you must ask yourself. It is now believed that close to 75% of the homeless have issues with mental health, drugs, and/or alcohol. Normally 2 or 3 of them. And that is what is straining the system so that the rest can not get the help provided. So what should we do? Continue to feed into the problem, or deal with it aggressively? Do we actually force treatment on those with these issues, or just continue to give them money, even though they will never change on their own?

If you think the problem is "income inequality" and not mental health and substance abuse, you have no idea what the actual problem is.
 

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Come on. I have no problem with arguing about the topic or even about the trickle down economics. And I know insults are part of the game here.

But insulting family? Really?
For a Christian he has a remarkably vile potty mouth. He is pissed because I think creation science is a sham and he is full of self-contradictions in science. Attacking is his only recourse.

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Federal trickle down theory has been discredited years ago. It was tried at the state level, Kansas, and failed miserably.

Yet, it was the exact same reasoning that President Obama gave in his massive public works projects, as well as FDR.

So tell me, were Presidents FCR and Obama wrong also?
 

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There’s that crazy con thinking. The poor are poor because they behave badly. Dumb. Very dumb.

Then feel free to set up a program to help them. But try this first.

Mandatory drug and alcohol testing for all recipients. Fail the test, no aid. And see how many you get.

I got help getting off the street from a private non-profit agency. And the results were, interesting. They offered housing, food, and training to all that were admitted. But the main requirements were at least 30 days clean of drugs and alcohol for 30 days before being admitted into the program, and maintaining sobriety the entire time there. The average wash-out rate in the first 30 days was close to 50%, but after that it shrank drastically.

Most who entered the program moved into transitional housing, then within 3 years moved out on their own and were not homeless again. But over 90% who entered the program were substance abusers. But I have little doubt that the results would be the exact same thing. I used to do outreach to try to get people into the program. But it was well known, and the fact that sobriety was required kept most from wanting to try it. Their getting high and drunk was more important to them than improving how they lived.
 

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Yet, it was the exact same reasoning that President Obama gave in his massive public works projects, as well as FDR.

So tell me, were Presidents FCR and Obama wrong also?
Both had a progressive tax policies. That isn't what trickle-down means. What do you mean by "the exact same reasoning"?

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I stated the facts and provided a solution for trickle down. Instead of telling others what to do, why don't you give us what you have done and be a role model?

Isn't that's the problem? People just want others to contribute, but give nothing or very little for social causes.

Anyway, spending on space exploration, science, and technology isn't the problem. It's about 5% expenditure by the Feds and the sector gives back more than it takes. I can't say the same for social programs which are expensive and usually take more than they give back. Of course, I can't say how much a person's life is worth if they are saved or cured, have their life made better, or become healthy enough to work again.
28T spent on the war on poverty. A lot of that was mine. I have and continue to give back, thank you.
 

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28T spent on the war on poverty. A lot of that was mine. I have and continue to give back, thank you.
I can't say the same because my interest in helping lies with Goodwill, children's hospitals, medical clinics for needy, senior support services, heart research, and animal shelters. They're not all needy today, thank God.
 

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I can't say the same because my interest in helping lies with Goodwill, children's hospitals, medical clinics for needy, heart research, and animal shelters. They're not all needy today, thank God.
So you shouldn't have a problem with the 100 million that Musk gave to St. Judes. Maybe we need to spend a bit more on space tourism and quit belly aching about how many houses that it could have built.
 

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The latest space EX joy ride into space $243 dollars spent so people can fly into space. Think of all the homes that could have been built for the homeless for $243 million dollars. What a waste.!!?

I have to admit that if I had 243 million to throw away, I'd find a better use for it than a 5 minute ride in space. You can help a lot of people with a quarter billion dollars.
 

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The latest space EX joy ride into space $243 dollars spent so people can fly into space. Think of all the homes that could have been built for the homeless for $243 million dollars. What a waste.!!?
That money doesn't just disappear from the economy.
 

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For a Christian he has a remarkably vile potty mouth. He is pissed because I think creation science is a sham and he is full of self-contradictions in science. Attacking is his only recourse.

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Finally, a response albeit not a direct one. I only said what I said to WinterBorn (ridiculous) to hopefully get a response from you.

It's because I called you China man in which I meant man from China, but used it repeatedly. (I don't know if you are, but would think based on your handle.) Anyway, I apologize if you took it as racist or offensive. I won't use it again.

This is the part I am trying to change. Not be so opinionated or blurt out disparaging remarks. Except for the Bible, in which I'll always be YEC. Also, be more patient. The negative comments from others had an effect and made me more angry and defensive. Like I said I am trying to change my style here. Again, my apology for the above and other negative, hurtful comments.

As for creation science, I don't think so. I disagree. We have the evidence to back it up :).
 

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I have to admit that if I had 243 million to throw away, I'd find a better use for it than a 5 minute ride in space. You can help a lot of people with a quarter billion dollars.
Hm... the $243 M spent and this story do not seem to jibe -- SpaceX All-civilian Crew Took This Out-of-this-world Selfie | Digital Trends.

 

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Both had a progressive tax policies. That isn't what trickle-down means.

And I never said it did. But both spent a lot of money on "public works", with the claim that spending money there would stimulate other parts of the economy.

You really are not good at this "debate" thing, are you?
 

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