20 year old man shot dead in London...where guns are banned..

[BasicHumanUnit]

A bit of context for you, 26 Gun murders (equiv. 130) in England vs. *11,004* in US Annually

Again, given the population size difference and gun violence data suppression (which you fail to understand), it looks like gun murders per capita in the UK exceeds the USA.

Wow. People in the UK have ZERO argument against America's 2nd Amendment.

Victims gonna be Victims.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Maybe the UK should just make it so that criminals in the UK have the RIGHT to take anything they want from ANYONE they choose?
Maybe then your "gun" laws would be more effective? maybe criminals would no longer use them.

If a criminal wants your car...make it LAW that you just hand them the keys and say "G'Day ole chap" with a smile.
If a criminal in the UK wants to rape a woman...she should required by law to just say 'YES" and smile....her husband boyfriend required to pay for a motel room.

How insane are you people?

GUNS help sane people take a stand against crime. You folks seem to take a stand against self defense and doing what's right.

 

[Blues Man]

No....those mass shootings....all 12 of them in 2018.....were done by individuals who passed every gun law on the books, including federally mandated background checks.

So you had 12 mass shootings in the USA, how many did we have? ...NONE. Oh, please don't bother copy/pasting the "near misses" foiled by "dumb luck" drivel you normally do at this point. Our handgun ban and stricter enforcement of existing firearms laws makes it very difficult, if not impossible for our whack jobs to get the guns they need to carry out their attrocities, unlike over in your neck of the woods where any whack job can buy second hand guns at so called "gun fairs" or with their groceries.

of the 10,982 gun murders....how many were committed by this category of gun criminal....?

93.

in a country of over 320,000,000.

Clearly you value 93 innocent human lives far less than we do, so long as you can have your GUNZ! That's all that matters to you and your kind.

So the 150 million or so gun owners did not commit these crimes with their legal guns....

Another slice of pure BS from our favourite NRA schill. You have no way of knowing how many Americans own handguns so stop posting made up numbers.

Guess what?

No one in the USA gives a shit about your country whatever it is.

So mind your own business

 

[Blues Man]

MORE gun violence in the UK???

OMG!

The UK has become such a dangerous place with all the gun violence! Clearly on track to become the worlds center of gun violence....surpassing even Somalia.

NO WAY I would ever go there. Maybe they need some gun control laws?

Why won't they do anything about the escalating and out of control gun violence in the UK?

Wouldn't the UK be better off just making it law that any criminal who for you, wants ANY of your possessions, your home, your child etc....ENTITLED to them so that all the escalating gun violence wouldn't be necessary? Why is the UK determined to make criminals kill people just to get what they feel is theirs?

If the UK would just respect the criminals all would be fine.

A bit of context for you, 26 Gun murders (equiv. 130) in England vs. *11,004* in US Annually

And we don't care what you foreigners think

FYI most of those murders are criminal pieces of shit killing other criminal pieces of shit so it's actually a public service

 

[westwall]

Amazingly you still do not understand that the rarity of gun violence in other places only highlights how well their gun laws work. It also illustrates that having more guns makes a nation less safe as we have far more gun violence than other developed nations.

Please do continue.

Wrong, it is you who don't understand that the reason why their gun crime rates were so low is because the people weren't violent. We have 20 million illegals that brought their culture with them. A culture that even though has only 8% of the worlds population, suffers 31% of the worlds murders. Now that the UK and Europe are importing those very same types of violent cultures into their countries we are witnessing the skyrocketing of violent gun crime.

So no, it is YOU who are ignorant of the facts.

 

[westwall]

I see the village idiot in residence candycorn , can do nothing but demonstrate their profound ignorance and stupidity by laughing when they have no argument. Typical brain dead progressive.

 

[Vagabond63]

Guess what?

No one in the USA gives a shit about your country whatever it is.

So mind your own business

And we don't care what you foreigners think

Hey, we're just responding to a US NRA schill posting in the Europe forum pushing an agenda; you people want to slaughter each other, fine, go ahead, just stop trying to convince us that your way is better than ours.

 

[Blues Man]

Guess what?

No one in the USA gives a shit about your country whatever it is.

So mind your own business

And we don't care what you foreigners think

Hey, we're just responding to a US NRA schill posting in the Europe forum pushing an agenda; you people want to slaughter each other, fine, go ahead, just stop trying to convince us that your way is better than ours.

Funny how I have never known anyone who was "slaughtered"

Unlike you I actually know what the US is like and I know that our violence problems are based in the inner cities where many more variables than gun ownership contribute to that violence

So just stick to a message board in your own country and none of us will bother to chime in on one of your USA threads

DEal?

 

[Vagabond63]

...Unlike you I actually know what the US is like and I know that our violence problems are based in the inner cities where many more variables than gun ownership contribute to that violence...

I don't care what Americans do in America, I resent, probably just like you do regarding Brits, Foreigners telling us Brits we need guns to solve our problems and how we should live. I'll bugger off when 2aGuy stops posting his BS using British incidents to pursue his NRA agenda.

 

[Blues Man]

...Unlike you I actually know what the US is like and I know that our violence problems are based in the inner cities where many more variables than gun ownership contribute to that violence...

I don't care what Americans do in America, I resent, probably just like you do regarding Brits, Foreigners telling us Brits we need guns to solve our problems and how we should live. I'll bugger off when 2aGuy stops posting his BS using British incidents to pursue his NRA agenda.

You obviously do since the thread you are responding in is actually on an American message board

If you don't care what we do you wouldn't be on this board at all just like I am not on any British message boards.

 

[2aguy]

...Unlike you I actually know what the US is like and I know that our violence problems are based in the inner cities where many more variables than gun ownership contribute to that violence...

I don't care what Americans do in America, I resent, probably just like you do regarding Brits, Foreigners telling us Brits we need guns to solve our problems and how we should live. I'll bugger off when 2aGuy stops posting his BS using British incidents to pursue his NRA agenda.

Actually, I don't have an NRA agenda...I have a Bill of Rights Agenda. And if you want me to stop making fun of the claims of British people about their gun control laws...then tell the American anti-gun activists to stop using Britain as their example......simple as that.

 

[2aguy]

Guess what?

No one in the USA gives a shit about your country whatever it is.

So mind your own business

And we don't care what you foreigners think

Hey, we're just responding to a US NRA schill posting in the Europe forum pushing an agenda; you people want to slaughter each other, fine, go ahead, just stop trying to convince us that your way is better than ours.

Sadly...when Europe slaughtered 12 million innocent men, women and children.....when the governments of Europe handed over men, women and children for the German socialist gas chambers and machine guns.......Americans ......with guns......had to come over there and stop the slaughter.......because you had taken guns away from everyone except the very governments allowing those people to be murdered....

You really don't have any room to lecture us on anything......

 

[Vagabond63]

...Unlike you I actually know what the US is like and I know that our violence problems are based in the inner cities where many more variables than gun ownership contribute to that violence...

I don't care what Americans do in America, I resent, probably just like you do regarding Brits, Foreigners telling us Brits we need guns to solve our problems and how we should live. I'll bugger off when 2aGuy stops posting his BS using British incidents to pursue his NRA agenda.

You obviously do since the thread you are responding in is actually on an American message board

If you don't care what we do you wouldn't be on this board at all just like I am not on any British message boards.

I joined this board to provide an informed British/European perspective and as far as I recall, have only posted in the Europe forum. It's what the internet is for, talking to people in other countries that have a different culture and experience to your own; such activity tends to broaden one's outlook. If I wasn't allowed to be here, I'm sure my account would have been suspended by now. From what I've seen, you get posters from all over the world, so what's the problem? Could it be you have such a myopic parochial view, you can't stand to read anything that contradicts you world view? If so, I feel sorry for you.

 

[Vagabond63]

...Unlike you I actually know what the US is like and I know that our violence problems are based in the inner cities where many more variables than gun ownership contribute to that violence...

I don't care what Americans do in America, I resent, probably just like you do regarding Brits, Foreigners telling us Brits we need guns to solve our problems and how we should live. I'll bugger off when 2aGuy stops posting his BS using British incidents to pursue his NRA agenda.

Actually, I don't have an NRA agenda...I have a Bill of Rights Agenda. And if you want me to stop making fun of the claims of British people about their gun control laws...then tell the American anti-gun activists to stop using Britain as their example......simple as that.

Well I doubt that since you constantly regurgitate NRA talking points, but we can agree to disagree on that point. I have no problem with your gun control advocates using the UK as an example as we are a much safer country overall without people owning hand guns and being able to carry them everywhere, "just in case".

 

[Vagabond63]

Guess what?

No one in the USA gives a shit about your country whatever it is.

So mind your own business

And we don't care what you foreigners think

Hey, we're just responding to a US NRA schill posting in the Europe forum pushing an agenda; you people want to slaughter each other, fine, go ahead, just stop trying to convince us that your way is better than ours.

Sadly...when Europe slaughtered 12 million innocent men, women and children.....when the governments of Europe handed over men, women and children for the German socialist gas chambers and machine guns.......Americans ......with guns......had to come over there and stop the slaughter.......because you had taken guns away from everyone except the very governments allowing those people to be murdered....

You really don't have any room to lecture us on anything......

Ah, another regurgitated NRA talking point, that's been so widely debunked, it's even on Wikipedia.

The Nazi gun control argument is a fallacy that gun regulations in the Third Reich helped to facilitate the rise of the Nazis and the Holocaust.[1][2][3] The majority of Historians and fact-checkers have described the argument as "dubious,"[4] "questionable,"[5] "preposterous,"[6] "tendentious,"[3] or "problematic."[2] This argument is frequently employed by opponents of gun control in debates on U.S. gun politics. Questions about its validity, and about the motives behind its inception, have been raised by scholars. Proponents in the United States have used it as part of a "security against tyranny" argument, while opponents have referred to it as a form of Reductio ad Hitlerum.[7]

Nazi gun control argument - Wikipedia

 

[Blues Man]

...Unlike you I actually know what the US is like and I know that our violence problems are based in the inner cities where many more variables than gun ownership contribute to that violence...

I don't care what Americans do in America, I resent, probably just like you do regarding Brits, Foreigners telling us Brits we need guns to solve our problems and how we should live. I'll bugger off when 2aGuy stops posting his BS using British incidents to pursue his NRA agenda.

You obviously do since the thread you are responding in is actually on an American message board

If you don't care what we do you wouldn't be on this board at all just like I am not on any British message boards.

I joined this board to provide an informed British/European perspective and as far as I recall, have only posted in the Europe forum. It's what the internet is for, talking to people in other countries that have a different culture and experience to your own; such activity tends to broaden one's outlook. If I wasn't allowed to be here, I'm sure my account would have been suspended by now. From what I've seen, you get posters from all over the world, so what's the problem? Could it be you have such a myopic parochial view, you can't stand to read anything that contradicts you world view? If so, I feel sorry for you.

And yet you give your uniformed opinions of the states.

And I really don't have a world view. I'm more of an individualist.

I don't care what you do in your country. I don't understand why you people care so much about what goes on in this country when it has absolutely nothing to do with your country, it's politics or laws.

 

[Toro]

So....whoever the shooter was, which British gun control law stopped them from going to a mall, a church, a theater, or a school and shooting lots of people?

Man shot dead on London estate

t is the fourth episode of gun violence on the streets of London in the past week, and the second fatal shooting following the killing of Eniola Aluko, 19 – shot dead in Plumstead on 14 June.

2 year old shot in Shitsville US - where guns make you safe.
Child, 2, dead from accidental shooting in Greenville County

More children die in car accidents than gun accidents......we should ban cars.

Also, without more details, we don't know if the owner of the gun was a criminal or a law abiding gun owner. Most accidental gun deaths in this country are due to criminals leaving their illegal guns where they can get to them to protect themselves from other criminals......you will learn about this fairly soon....

Well, you keep posting about gun murders in places where there is gun control, implying that gun control laws don’t work. We also have laws against speeding, yet people still speed. Does that mean speeding laws don’t work either?

 

[Blues Man]

So....whoever the shooter was, which British gun control law stopped them from going to a mall, a church, a theater, or a school and shooting lots of people?

Man shot dead on London estate

t is the fourth episode of gun violence on the streets of London in the past week, and the second fatal shooting following the killing of Eniola Aluko, 19 – shot dead in Plumstead on 14 June.

2 year old shot in Shitsville US - where guns make you safe.
Child, 2, dead from accidental shooting in Greenville County

More children die in car accidents than gun accidents......we should ban cars.

Also, without more details, we don't know if the owner of the gun was a criminal or a law abiding gun owner. Most accidental gun deaths in this country are due to criminals leaving their illegal guns where they can get to them to protect themselves from other criminals......you will learn about this fairly soon....

Well, you keep posting about gun murders in places where there is gun control, implying that gun control laws don’t work. We also have laws against speeding, yet people still speed. Does that mean speeding laws don’t work either?

We enforce speeding laws about as well as we enforce the thousands of gun laws we already have on the books

Tell me if everyone who when 3 miles an hour over the speed limit an any road got a 150 dollar ticket how many people would keep speeding?