15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

[abu afak]

Are you a Christian?

James Bond is clearly an Islamist sent to Discredit Christianity by making it seem that the religion is made up of 100% Biblical Literalists/Fundamentalists.

Thereby making Islam more reasonable by comparison.

You're "going to Hell" if you don't believe every doctrinal Anti-Scientific word he says. Of course, NONE of his words belong IN a Science section, but religion.

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[Dr Grump]

What do you think? Just watch my posts.

Were you parents Christians and are you in the US?

 

[zaangalewa]

What do you think? Just watch my posts.

I doubt that you are a Christian - because of your posts. Truth is always true - independent from the person who speaks out the thruth. Ideology (most simple: the way how anyone likes to think) is not able to replace this. Biological evolution is a fact. Everyone is able to see the contruction kit of the evolution all around - is able to see biologically more near and more far creatures. To close the own eyes but to tell others nonsense has not a lot to do with Christianity.

 

[james bond]

I doubt that you are a Christian - because of your posts. Truth is always true - independent from the person who speaks out the thruth. Ideology (most simple: the way how anyone likes to think) is not able to replace this. Biological evolution is a fact. Everyone is able to see the contruction kit of the evolution all around - is able to see biologically more near and more far creatures. To close the own eyes but to tell others nonsense has not a lot to do with Christianity.

First, I am baptized and am Christian since 2012. I am led by the Holy Ghost and have Jesus in my heart. God the Father accepts me the way I am and wanted me to continue here.

I don't think you nor my detractors really read my posts as I am for creation science and against evolution. God created natural selection so that takes care of microevolution. There is no argument against that and both sides agree. What is nefarious about evolution is humans from monkeys and birds from dinosaurs. It has led to long time. You can believe that all you want, but I think a Christian who believes in old evolution can be misled. God gave us a new Earth. What's next are you going to give up?

Are you just going to accept this -- 15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense – By John Rennie on July 1, 2002

 

[james bond]

Anyway, Do-While is a friend of mine and he published this.

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It is “Just a Theory”​

The first argument creationists use, according to Scientific American, is

1. Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law. 1

Serious creationists rarely, if ever, use this argument. We have been publishing this newsletter for almost six years. We invite you to look through all the back issues, and you will see we have never used it.


But some “casual creationists”, who don’t believe in evolution but don’t really know why, sometimes do dismiss evolution because it is “just a theory.” We saw the argument used once in a letter to the editor of our local newspaper. So, we really can’t blame Scientific American for attacking this idea. Their argument is,

Many people learned in elementary school that a theory falls in the middle of a hierarchy of certainty--above a mere hypothesis but below a law. Scientists do not use the terms that way, however. 2

This is actually an indictment of the public school system. They should not be blaming creationists for this misunderstanding if it is what is taught in public schools.


One place where we have seen this “hierarchy of certainty” expressed is at the Chicago Field Museum of Natural History (which certainly isn’t a cesspool of creationist propaganda). We told you about their “Facts, Theories, and Speculation” display in our December, 2001, newsletter. The Field Museum presents a theory as being somewhere between a fact and speculation on the continuum of certainty. So, blame the public schools, and blame the Field Museum, too, if you are going to blame creationists.


Usually, when evolutionists try to combat the “only a theory” argument, they drag gravity into it. They say Newton’s theory of gravity is “just a theory, too.” The difference between gravity and evolution, of course, is that one can do repeatable experiments to test the theory of gravity. Engineers can measure the amount of force it takes to stretch a spring a certain length. Then, they hang various masses from the spring and measure how far it stretches. From this they can determine the force of gravity pulling on the mass.


Furthermore, the theory of gravity made some interesting predictions. Astronomers noted that some of the outer planets did not orbit in the path one would expect. They calculated that some other gravitational force must be acting on them. From that they calculated where an unknown planet must be. They looked in that location and discovered Pluto. The theory of gravity predicted a planet of a particular size in a particular orbit, and it turned out to be a correct prediction.


The theory of evolution isn’t like the theory of gravity. We have neither the time, talent, nor the material to build a lifeless planet just like Earth orbiting around a star just like the Sun to see if life will evolve on it after a few billion years. But we can perform some interesting experiments on a smaller scale. Many scientists have done experiments trying to find some way for lifeless chemicals to assemble themselves into living cells. Just as alchemists, after many failures, admitted that there isn’t any way to turn lead into gold, evolutionists will someday have to admit that there isn’t any way to turn brackish water into bacteria. In fact, those origin of life experiments have shown us some good reasons why chemicals can’t come to life by purely natural processes.


Breeding experiments have shown that there are limits to how much artificial selection can modify a variety. There is every reason to believe that natural selection would have the same limits as artificial selection does. In fact, with what we now know about genes and information theory, we understand why those limits are there, and why mutation and natural selection can’t cross them.


Unlike the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution doesn’t have a lot of experimental confirmation to support it. In fact, the experimental evidence against evolution would certainly have caused the theory to have been rejected long ago, if it weren’t for the religious implications that go along with it.


The theory of evolution doesn’t have a very good record when it comes to prediction, either. Darwin said that the fossil record should show innumerable transitional forms. It doesn’t. The “Cambrian explosion” of fossils is not what would be expected if the theory of evolution were true. Evolutionists first tried to explain away the scientific observations by saying that there were gaps in the fossil record. More recently, they have tried to explain it away with “punctuated equilibrium” (which we have discussed on several occasions, the most recent being last month).


If evolution were true, there would not be such clear divisions between classes, orders, and families. It should be really hard to decide if certain living creatures were reptiles or mammals because there should be innumerable living transitional forms.


So, serious creationists don’t reject evolution because it is “only a theory.” They reject it because it is a theory that is not consistent with modern scientific observation.

Circular Reasoning​

2. Natural selection is based on circular reasoning: the fittest are those who survive, and those who survive are deemed fittest. 3

Actually, we would say that statement is a tautology, which is a special case of circular reasoning because it is a self-defining relationship. It is “true by virtue of its logical form alone.” 4


Scientific American is misrepresenting the creationist argument here because this isn’t the circular reasoning that serious creationists usually attack. We attack the more subtle forms of circular reasoning, where the rocks are dated by the evolutionary ages of the fossils, and the evolutionary ages of the fossils are determined from the ages of the rocks containing them. We also love to point out that the type of radioactive dating used to determine the age of rocks is selected based on the presumed age of the rocks. Then, when the radioactive measurement gives the expected age, it is assumed to be correct, and all other radioactive “minority reports” are immediately destroyed to avoid the confusion and doubt that would certainly result.


Creationists generally don’t have a problem with the definition of “survival of the fittest.” Nor do they disagree with the minor, short-term effects that environmental pressure has on the survival of the various varieties of critters in general, and Darwin’s finches in particular. Scientific American’s second answer is an irrelevant rebuttal of a bogus argument.

Evolution isn’t Testable​

Scientific American says creationists claim that,

3. Evolution is unscientific, because it is not testable or falsifiable. It makes claims about events that were not observed and can never be re-created. This blanket dismissal of evolution ignores important distinctions that divide the field into at least two broad areas: microevolution and macroevolution. Microevolution looks at changes within species over time--changes that may be preludes to speciation, the origin of new species. Macroevolution studies how taxonomic groups above the level of species change. Its evidence draws frequently from the fossil record and DNA comparisons to reconstruct how various organisms may be related. These days even most creationists acknowledge that microevolution has been upheld by tests in the laboratory (as in studies of cells, plants and fruit flies) and in the field (as in Grant's studies of evolving beak shapes among Galápagos finches). Natural selection and other mechanisms--such as chromosomal changes, symbiosis and hybridization--can drive profound changes in populations over time. 5

Well, evolution certainly does make “claims about events that were not observed and can never be re-created.” But, in answer to their first statement, we have already discussed how some major concepts of the theory of evolution are testable and falsifiable. These parts fail because they make inaccurate predictions, or contradict repeatable observations.


Experiments regarding the origin of life have shown that life cannot have a purely natural origin. Breeding experiments do confirm microevolution, and also reveal why macroevolution cannot happen.


But some of the major claims of evolution, such as the claim that reptiles evolved into mammals, never have been observed, nor have they been repeated. Scientific American is just blowing smoke when it says, “Macroevolution studies how taxonomic groups above the level of species change. Its evidence draws frequently from the fossil record and DNA comparisons to reconstruct how various organisms may be related.”


Reconstructions based on fossils and DNA are pure speculation, and often contradictory. The attempt to associate microevolution, for which there is abundant scientific evidence, with macroevolution, which is contradicted by so much scientific evidence, is shameless.


Scientific American says, “Natural selection and other mechanisms--such as chromosomal changes, symbiosis and hybridization--can drive profound changes in populations over time.” This is a perfect example of what we discussed last month, in the article on “Individual Evolution”. What does Scientific American mean by “profound changes in populations?” Since it is certainly true that natural selection, mutations, and cross breeding of different varieties of the same species can change the demographics of a population, their statement (with the possible exception of symbiosis) is true. But they aren’t just talking about demographics. They no doubt are saying that an isolated population can turn into a population of an entirely new species, which is utterly false.


They are using a rhetorical trick which, in debate, is called “the fallacy of the middle term.” For example, if Paul is taller than Jim, and Jim is taller than Dave, it must be true that Paul is taller than Dave because both are compared to Jim, which is a common middle term.


Given a term with two different meanings, an unethical person can establish that one meaning is true, then use the term as if the other meaning is true. The classic example is, “Nothing is better than complete happiness. Half a sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore, half a sandwich is better than complete happiness.” The middle term, “nothing”, has two different meanings. It is a fallacy of the middle term because although it appears there are three terms, there are actually four different terms which have been mapped to three different words, with two terms having different meanings for the same word.


Evolutionists use the term “evolution” to mean "a change in demographics" (which has been scientifically verified) in one breath, and then macroevolution in the next breath, and try to make you think that they are the same thing. They aren’t. The change in demographics is the result of the increase or decrease in the number of individuals in the population who have certain previously existing genes. Macroevolution requires the creation of brand new genes. Even though both processes are called “evolution”, they are entirely different processes.


The really amazing statement in their third answer to “creationist nonsense” is,

Evolution could be disproved in other ways, too. If we could document the spontaneous generation of just one complex life-form from inanimate matter, then at least a few creatures seen in the fossil record might have originated this way. If superintelligent aliens appeared and claimed credit for creating life on earth (or even particular species), the purely evolutionary explanation would be cast in doubt. But no one has yet produced such evidence. 6

They really shot themselves in their proverbial feet there! The point they are trying to make is that if there was any scientific evidence that inanimate matter came to life once, then inanimate matter might have come to life many times. If matter came to life many times, then there would not be one common ancestor, and each major biological group would have had a different origin. But since scientific experiments prove that inanimate matter cannot possibly come to life, they say, it must only have happened once!


The truth is that there is no documentation of spontaneous generation of even one complex life-form from inanimate matter because it has never happened--not even once. That refutes the theory of evolution (as it is taught in public schools) because it is “dead on arrival.”


According to the grand theory of evolution, life began in a warm pond full of inanimate amino acids (or someplace very hot, or someplace very cold). Therefore, inanimate matter had to form something living that could reproduce offspring that natural selection could select from. But, as they point out, there is no evidence that this has ever happened.


(Of course, one superintelligent alien has appeared and claimed credit for creating life on earth, but we are just going to let their statement lie there without further comment.)

Scientists Doubt the Theory​

The most amusing part of the Scientific American article was their fourth point.

4. Increasingly, scientists doubt the truth of evolution. No evidence suggests that evolution is losing adherents. 7

Do you think they really believe that? If so, why did they publish an eight-page article defending evolution? They haven’t published proof of the round earth. That’s because scientists don’t take the flat earth theory seriously. But they did have to try to defend the theory of evolution because it is losing adherents, even among scientists.


Their words and actions don’t match. If evolution isn’t losing adherents, what is all the big fuss about? They know that the theory of evolution really is losing adherents at an unprecedented rate. The editors of Scientific American said as much in the first three sentences of the editorial they wrote to introduce the feature article.

Preaching to the converted is unrewarding, so why should Scientific American publish an article about the errors of creationism [see page 78]? Surely this magazine’s readers don’t need to be convinced. Unfortunately, skepticism of evolution is more rampant than might be supposed. 8

Last month we told you that Eugenie C. Scott got this year’s Public Service Award from the National Science Board. In her acceptance speech she said the award “highlights the importance of scientists taking the anti-evolution movement seriously.”

Scientific American showed this graph on page 81. They didn’t refer to it specifically in their article because they apparently thought it spoke for itself. We wonder what they think it said. Probably, they think it shows that highly educated people don’t believe in young-earth creationism.

We think that it really shows that the longer evolutionists are allowed to brainwash students, the more successful they will be. But, even after at least 16 years of brainwashing, 40 percent of the people still won’t believe the lie they are being taught. Almost 30 percent of the people with advanced degrees don’t believe in evolution. If the theory of evolution were true, that number would be zero. It isn't zero because many well-educated people can see the bankruptcy of the theory of evolution, despite years of evolutionary indoctrination.


Don’t let them tell you that they aren’t scared! They are either panicking, or in denial, or both.

Disagreements Indicate Lack of Evidence​

Their next point was,

5. The disagreements among even evolutionary biologists show how little solid science supports evolution. Evolutionary biologists passionately debate diverse topics: how speciation happens, the rates of evolutionary change, the ancestral relationships of birds and dinosaurs, whether Neandertals were a species apart from modern humans, and much more. These disputes are like those found in all other branches of science. Acceptance of evolution as a factual occurrence and a guiding principle is nonetheless universal in biology. 9

These disputes are NOT like those found in all other branches of science. For example, there was briefly a dispute about cold fusion, but it was quickly resolved because the experiments could not be reproduced, and the “excess heat” that was allegedly measured could be accounted for by experimental error.


There aren’t even disputes like these in non-evolutionary biology. When was the last time you read a headline that said, “Biologists now say the liver, not the heart, actually pumps blood!” ?


The reason why there are debates about evolutionary topics is because the things being discussed are matters of opinion, not scientific facts. Somebody finds a part of a jaw and thinks it came from a human ancestor. A second scientist (who usually has also discovered a part of a jaw, which he claims came from a human ancestor) says the first scientist is wrong. There is more ego involved than evidence. Objectivity is distorted by the desire (perhaps even the need) to have bragging rights.


If there really was some solid evidence that one kind of species has ever turned into another kind of species, biologists would agree on it, just as they agree on the function of internal organs.


Scientific American also says in this section,

Yet creationists delight in dissecting out phrases from Gould's voluminous prose to make him sound as though he had doubted evolution … 10

No, we don’t think Gould doubted evolution. We do, however, point out that facts he himself presented did not support the conclusions he drew. He knew that the fossil record contained no transitional forms, or other evidence for evolution. That’s why he came up with punctuated equilibrium. It was his rationalization of how evolution could be true, despite the fossil record as he knew it. Nobody would care if we said, “The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils.” 11 But the fact that he said it makes it worth quoting.


Scientific American goes on to say

.. and they [creationists] present punctuated equilibrium as though it allows new species to materialize overnight or birds to be born from reptile eggs. 12

Actually, Scientific American is confusing Goldschmidt’s “hopeful monster theory” with Gould’s theory of punctuated equilibrium. The hopeful monster theory is like punctuated equilibrium on steroids. Although the two theories differ in the amount of evolution that can take place in a single generation, both eventually have to confront the problem that a reptilian parent had to have had a mammalian child at some point for either theory to be true. According to either theory, something without a backbone gave birth to something that did. These are facts that evolutionists don’t like to face.

Why Do Monkeys Still Exist?​

6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? This surprisingly common argument reflects several levels of ignorance about evolution. The first mistake is that evolution does not teach that humans descended from monkeys; it states that both have a common ancestor. 13

We have never heard a serious creationist make this argument. We invite you to search the back issues of our newsletter to verify for yourself that we have never used the argument. We don’t think you will find it on the Answers In Genesis, or Institute For Creation Research web sites, either.


Ironically, children are often taught in public schools that people descended from monkeys. Students are likely to be confused by that and ask their teachers, “If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? ”. Again, the criticism should be leveled against the public school science curriculum, not creationists.


As Scientific American said, it is more accurate to say that the theory of evolution says that both humans and apes descended from a common UNKNOWN ancestor, the existence of which one must accept by faith.

The Origin of Life​

7. Evolution cannot explain how life first appeared on earth. The origin of life remains very much a mystery, but biochemists have learned about how primitive nucleic acids, amino acids and other building blocks of life could have formed and organized themselves into self-replicating, self-sustaining units, laying the foundation for cellular biochemistry. 14

Evolution certainly cannot explain how life first appeared on Earth. The origin of life does remain very much a mystery. There is no nonsense there! But biochemists have NOT learned how primitive nucleic acids, amino acids and other building blocks of life could have formed and organized themselves into self-replicating, self-sustaining units, laying the foundation for cellular biochemistry. In fact, they now know many more reasons why chemicals can’t spontaneously form something living than they did in the 1950’s. The more they study the origin of life, the more apparent it is that life could not have formed spontaneously.


The hate mail we get often includes statements to the effect that we don’t understand evolution because the theory of evolution says nothing about the origin of life. It is true that Darwinian evolution just attempts to explain how existing species change into other species, and says nothing about the origin of life. But, when we talk about evolution, we are talking about the theory of evolution as it is taught in the American public schools. American school children are taught that primitive nucleic acids, amino acids and other building blocks of life could have formed and organized themselves into self-replicating, self-sustaining units, laying the foundation for cellular biochemistry.


Many evolutionists want desperately to separate the origin of life from the origin of species because they know that spontaneous generation of life is impossible. But they really can’t do that because the theory of evolution is supposed to explain how we got here without any supernatural activity creating life. They have to include the origin of life for it to explain how we got here.


The theory of evolution is quite literally, “dead on arrival.” It begins with lifeless chemicals on a lifeless planet. Somehow the theory of evolution needs to get those lifeless chemicals to combine to form something living, which can be transformed by mutation and natural selection. It can’t do it.


Ironically, in answer number 3 and answer number 7, Scientific American admitted that there isn’t a single documented case of inanimate chemicals coming to life, and that the origin of life is a mystery. We are quoting them not to make it appear that they doubt evolution, but to show that they believe in evolution in spite of evidence they are fully aware of.

To Be Continued …​

Unfortunately, we are out of space, so we will have to conclude this essay next month."

No Nonsense

www.scienceagainstevolution.org

Some creationists here just give and join their bandwagon.

 

[Hollie]

Were you parents Christians and are you in the US?

I suspect he's Islamic and on a personal Jihad to discredit Christianity and Christians as extremist.

Why else would anyone cut and paste walls of text from a blogger called Do-While Jones?

 

[james bond]

Anyway, back to abu afak..

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Usually, when evolutionists try to combat the “only a theory” argument, they drag gravity into it. They say Newton’s theory of gravity is “just a theory, too.” The difference between gravity and evolution, of course, is that one can do repeatable experiments to test the theory of gravity. Engineers can measure the amount of force it takes to stretch a spring a certain length. Then, they hang various masses from the spring and measure how far it stretches. From this they can determine the force of gravity pulling on the mass.


Furthermore, the theory of gravity made some interesting predictions. Astronomers noted that some of the outer planets did not orbit in the path one would expect. They calculated that some other gravitational force must be acting on them. From that they calculated where an unknown planet must be. They looked in that location and discovered Pluto. The theory of gravity predicted a planet of a particular size in a particular orbit, and it turned out to be a correct prediction.


The theory of evolution isn’t like the theory of gravity. We have neither the time, talent, nor the material to build a lifeless planet just like Earth orbiting around a star just like the Sun to see if life will evolve on it after a few billion years. But we can perform some interesting experiments on a smaller scale. Many scientists have done experiments trying to find some way for lifeless chemicals to assemble themselves into living cells. Just as alchemists, after many failures, admitted that there isn’t any way to turn lead into gold, evolutionists will someday have to admit that there isn’t any way to turn brackish water into bacteria. In fact, those origin of life experiments have shown us some good reasons why chemicals can’t come to life by purely natural processes.


Breeding experiments have shown that there are limits to how much artificial selection can modify a variety. There is every reason to believe that natural selection would have the same limits as artificial selection does. In fact, with what we now know about genes and information theory, we understand why those limits are there, and why mutation and natural selection can’t cross them.


Unlike the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution doesn’t have a lot of experimental confirmation to support it. In fact, the experimental evidence against evolution would certainly have caused the theory to have been rejected long ago, if it weren’t for the religious implications that go along with it.


The theory of evolution doesn’t have a very good record when it comes to prediction, either. Darwin said that the fossil record should show innumerable transitional forms. It doesn’t. The “Cambrian explosion” of fossils is not what would be expected if the theory of evolution were true. Evolutionists first tried to explain away the scientific observations by saying that there were gaps in the fossil record. More recently, they have tried to explain it away with “punctuated equilibrium” (which we have discussed on several occasions, the most recent being last month).


If evolution were true, there would not be such clear divisions between classes, orders, and families. It should be really hard to decide if certain living creatures were reptiles or mammals because there should be innumerable living transitional forms.


So, serious creationists don’t reject evolution because it is “only a theory.” They reject it because it is a theory that is not consistent with modern scientific observation."

I didn't know you evos tried to generate abiogenesis. No wonder you gave up and good thing lol. We can bury that since you admitted it doesn't work. Just admit nothing backs up evolution and we're done here.

 

[JoeBlow]

Anyway, back to abu afak..

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Usually, when evolutionists try to combat the “only a theory” argument, they drag gravity into it. They say Newton’s theory of gravity is “just a theory, too.” The difference between gravity and evolution, of course, is that one can do repeatable experiments to test the theory of gravity. Engineers can measure the amount of force it takes to stretch a spring a certain length. Then, they hang various masses from the spring and measure how far it stretches. From this they can determine the force of gravity pulling on the mass.


Furthermore, the theory of gravity made some interesting predictions. Astronomers noted that some of the outer planets did not orbit in the path one would expect. They calculated that some other gravitational force must be acting on them. From that they calculated where an unknown planet must be. They looked in that location and discovered Pluto. The theory of gravity predicted a planet of a particular size in a particular orbit, and it turned out to be a correct prediction.


The theory of evolution isn’t like the theory of gravity. We have neither the time, talent, nor the material to build a lifeless planet just like Earth orbiting around a star just like the Sun to see if life will evolve on it after a few billion years. But we can perform some interesting experiments on a smaller scale. Many scientists have done experiments trying to find some way for lifeless chemicals to assemble themselves into living cells. Just as alchemists, after many failures, admitted that there isn’t any way to turn lead into gold, evolutionists will someday have to admit that there isn’t any way to turn brackish water into bacteria. In fact, those origin of life experiments have shown us some good reasons why chemicals can’t come to life by purely natural processes.


Breeding experiments have shown that there are limits to how much artificial selection can modify a variety. There is every reason to believe that natural selection would have the same limits as artificial selection does. In fact, with what we now know about genes and information theory, we understand why those limits are there, and why mutation and natural selection can’t cross them.


Unlike the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution doesn’t have a lot of experimental confirmation to support it. In fact, the experimental evidence against evolution would certainly have caused the theory to have been rejected long ago, if it weren’t for the religious implications that go along with it.


The theory of evolution doesn’t have a very good record when it comes to prediction, either. Darwin said that the fossil record should show innumerable transitional forms. It doesn’t. The “Cambrian explosion” of fossils is not what would be expected if the theory of evolution were true. Evolutionists first tried to explain away the scientific observations by saying that there were gaps in the fossil record. More recently, they have tried to explain it away with “punctuated equilibrium” (which we have discussed on several occasions, the most recent being last month).


If evolution were true, there would not be such clear divisions between classes, orders, and families. It should be really hard to decide if certain living creatures were reptiles or mammals because there should be innumerable living transitional forms.


So, serious creationists don’t reject evolution because it is “only a theory.” They reject it because it is a theory that is not consistent with modern scientific observation."

I didn't know you evos tried to generate abiogenesis. No wonder you gave up and good thing lol. We can bury that since you admitted it doesn't work. Just admit nothing backs up evolution and we're done here.

Most likely this is how life made it to earth

Panspermia - Wikipedia

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Most likely this is how life made it to earth

Panspermia - Wikipedia

Doubtful.

 

[zaangalewa]

First, I am baptized and am Christian since 2012.

For the age of 9-10 years you sound a little old.

I am led by the Holy Ghost and have Jesus in my heart.

What seems to exclude some other people who don't share your political opinions.

God the Father accepts me the way I am

God the Father accepts everyone. He made us all.

and wanted me to continue here.

Perhaps you should read from time to time what you write.

I don't think you nor my detractors really read my posts as I am for creation science and against evolution.

Creation science is not existing and the really scientific theory of evolution is "more than a hypothese" how John Paul II said.

“Today, almost half a century after publication of the encyclical [Humani generis by Pius XII], new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory. ”
John Paul II

God created natural selection so that takes care of microevolution.

This statement sounds in my ears like an empty phrase.

There is no argument against that and both sides agree.

Which "two sides"?

What is nefarious about evolution is humans from monkeys and birds from dinosaurs. It has led to long time. You can believe that all you want, but I think a Christian who believes in old evolution can be misled.

Evolution is a natural law - like gravity. There is no new or old evolution or a new or old gravity. What grows is our knowledge. Today we know some things people who had lived 200 years ago did not know - and today we do not know some things what other people in 200 years will know. We need for example a much better understanding for this what gravity is - and I'm sure we will also need a better understanding of evolution. So if you like to work together with biologists to solve the scientific problems around the natural law biological evolution then it could be a good idea to study biology.

God gave us a new Earth.

Which new Earth? ... ah ... now I remember ... It's a very long time when theologists discussed about why god had created also "the new world" (America).

What's next are you going to give up?

I hopefully will always give up everything what's wrong - but hopefully I never will give up.

Are you just going to accept this -- 15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense – By John Rennie on July 1, 2002

I don't have a big idea what the idiots are writing who are using the expression "Creationists" for Christians.

 

[james bond]

Most likely this is how life made it to earth

Panspermia - Wikipedia

You'd have an argument if you can show life exists elsewhere. We haven't found any life in our solar system besides Earth.

 

[james bond]

For the age of 9-10 years you sound a little old.




What seems to exclude some other people who don't share your political opinions.



God the Father accepts everyone. He made us all.



Perhaps you should read from time to time what you write.



Creation science is not existing and the really scientific theory of evolution is "more than a hypothese" how John Paul II said.

“Today, almost half a century after publication of the encyclical [Humani generis by Pius XII], new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory. ”
John Paul II



This statement sounds in my ears like an empty phrase.



Which "two sides"?



Evolution is a natural law - like gravity. There is no new or old evolution or a new or old gravity. What grows is our knowledge. Today we know some things people who had lived 200 years ago did not know - and today we do not know some things what other people in 200 years will know. We need for example a much better understanding for this what gravity is - and I'm sure we will also need a better understanding of evolution. So if you like to work together with biologists to solve the scientific problems around the natural law biological evolution then it could be a good idea to study biology.



Which new Earth? ... ah .. now I remeber ... It's a very long time when theologists discussed about why god had created also "the new world" (America).



I hopefully will always give up everything what's wrong - but hopefully I never will give up.



I don't have a big idea what the idiots are writing who are using the expression "creationists" for Christians.

I didn't get past your first reply. No point in reading more insulting remarks from other creationists (who believe in evolution and long time); I get enough of that from the atheists here.

 

[james bond]

Evolution is a natural law - like gravity. There is no new or old evolution or a new or old gravity. What grows is our knowledge. Today we know some things people who had lived 200 years ago did not know - and today we do not know some things what other people in 200 years will know. We need for example a much better understanding for this what gravity is - and I'm sure we will also need a better understanding of evolution. So if you like to work together with biologists to solve the scientific problems around the natural law biological evolution then it could be a good idea to study biology.

Will answer your above statement once more. I already answered this and I'm right that you do not read nor understand my posts. Maybe you should discuss with Mensa abu afak?

"Furthermore, the theory of gravity made some interesting predictions. Astronomers noted that some of the outer planets did not orbit in the path one would expect. They calculated that some other gravitational force must be acting on them. From that they calculated where an unknown planet must be. They looked in that location and discovered Pluto. The theory of gravity predicted a planet of a particular size in a particular orbit, and it turned out to be a correct prediction.


The theory of evolution isn’t like the theory of gravity. We have neither the time, talent, nor the material to build a lifeless planet just like Earth orbiting around a star just like the Sun to see if life will evolve on it after a few billion years. But we can perform some interesting experiments on a smaller scale. Many scientists have done experiments trying to find some way for lifeless chemicals to assemble themselves into living cells. Just as alchemists, after many failures, admitted that there isn’t any way to turn lead into gold, evolutionists will someday have to admit that there isn’t any way to turn brackish water into bacteria. In fact, those origin of life experiments have shown us some good reasons why chemicals can’t come to life by purely natural processes.


Breeding experiments have shown that there are limits to how much artificial selection can modify a variety. There is every reason to believe that natural selection would have the same limits as artificial selection does. In fact, with what we now know about genes and information theory, we understand why those limits are there, and why mutation and natural selection can’t cross them.


Unlike the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution doesn’t have a lot of experimental confirmation to support it. In fact, the experimental evidence against evolution would certainly have caused the theory to have been rejected long ago, if it weren’t for the religious implications that go along with it.


The theory of evolution doesn’t have a very good record when it comes to prediction, either. Darwin said that the fossil record should show innumerable transitional forms. It doesn’t. The “Cambrian explosion” of fossils is not what would be expected if the theory of evolution were true. Evolutionists first tried to explain away the scientific observations by saying that there were gaps in the fossil record. More recently, they have tried to explain it away with “punctuated equilibrium” (which we have discussed on several occasions, the most recent being last month).


If evolution were true, there would not be such clear divisions between classes, orders, and families. It should be really hard to decide if certain living creatures were reptiles or mammals because there should be innumerable living transitional forms."

 

[abu afak]

Will answer your above statement once more. I already answered this and I'm right that you do not read nor understand my posts. Maybe you should discuss with Mensa abu afak?

"Furthermore, the theory of gravity made some interesting predictions. Astronomers noted that some of the outer planets did not orbit in the path one would expect. They calculated that some other gravitational force must be acting on them. From that they calculated where an unknown planet must be. They looked in that location and discovered Pluto. The theory of gravity predicted a planet of a particular size in a particular orbit, and it turned out to be a correct prediction.


The theory of evolution isn’t like the theory of gravity. We have neither the time, talent, nor the material to build a lifeless planet just like Earth orbiting around a star just like the Sun to see if life will evolve on it after a few billion years. But we can perform some interesting experiments on a smaller scale. Many scientists have done experiments trying to find some way for lifeless chemicals to assemble themselves into living cells. Just as alchemists, after many failures, admitted that there isn’t any way to turn lead into gold, evolutionists will someday have to admit that there isn’t any way to turn brackish water into bacteria. In fact, those origin of life experiments have shown us some good reasons why chemicals can’t come to life by purely natural processes.


Breeding experiments have shown that there are limits to how much artificial selection can modify a variety. There is every reason to believe that natural selection would have the same limits as artificial selection does. In fact, with what we now know about genes and information theory, we understand why those limits are there, and why mutation and natural selection can’t cross them.


Unlike the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution doesn’t have a lot of experimental confirmation to support it. In fact, the experimental evidence against evolution would certainly have caused the theory to have been rejected long ago, if it weren’t for the religious implications that go along with it.


The theory of evolution doesn’t have a very good record when it comes to prediction, either. Darwin said that the fossil record should show innumerable transitional forms. It doesn’t. The “Cambrian explosion” of fossils is not what would be expected if the theory of evolution were true. Evolutionists first tried to explain away the scientific observations by saying that there were gaps in the fossil record. More recently, they have tried to explain it away with “punctuated equilibrium” (which we have discussed on several occasions, the most recent being last month).


If evolution were true, there would not be such clear divisions between classes, orders, and families. It should be really hard to decide if certain living creatures were reptiles or mammals because there should be innumerable living transitional forms."

Have there been any experiments to find a god, or just 10,000 failed claims, and still Hundreds off Conflicting 'gods,' with at, least 75% of the planet wrong.
There are self-replicating inorganic molecules.

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[zaangalewa]

Will answer your above statement once more. I already answered this and I'm right that you do not read nor understand my posts. Maybe you should discuss with Mensa abu afak?

"Furthermore, the theory of gravity made some interesting predictions. Astronomers noted that some of the outer planets did not orbit in the path one would expect. They calculated that some other gravitational force must be acting on them. From that they calculated where an unknown planet must be. They looked in that location and discovered Pluto. The theory of gravity predicted a planet of a particular size in a particular orbit, and it turned out to be a correct prediction.


The theory of evolution isn’t like the theory of gravity. We have neither the time, talent, nor the material to build a lifeless planet just like Earth orbiting around a star just like the Sun to see if life will evolve on it after a few billion years. But we can perform some interesting experiments on a smaller scale. Many scientists have done experiments trying to find some way for lifeless chemicals to assemble themselves into living cells. Just as alchemists, after many failures, admitted that there isn’t any way to turn lead into gold, evolutionists will someday have to admit that there isn’t any way to turn brackish water into bacteria. In fact, those origin of life experiments have shown us some good reasons why chemicals can’t come to life by purely natural processes.


Breeding experiments have shown that there are limits to how much artificial selection can modify a variety. There is every reason to believe that natural selection would have the same limits as artificial selection does. In fact, with what we now know about genes and information theory, we understand why those limits are there, and why mutation and natural selection can’t cross them.


Unlike the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution doesn’t have a lot of experimental confirmation to support it.

You are a mammal.

In fact, the experimental evidence against evolution would certainly have caused the theory to have been rejected long ago, if it weren’t for the religious implications that go along with it.


The theory of evolution doesn’t have a very good record when it comes to prediction, either.

Exactly. Evolution is not teleological. So expressions like for example "the evolution of cars" are nonsense; the developement of cars follows our intuition, knowledge, plans and vogues and other human factors. And when butterflies would not exist then I doubt about that anyone had the fantasy to find out anything about the possible existance of such a lifeform which could be more than only fantasy. But we had not even the fantasy to do so.

Darwin said that the fossil record should show innumerable transitional forms. It doesn’t. The “Cambrian explosion” of fossils is not what would be expected if the theory of evolution were true. Evolutionists first tried to explain away the scientific observations by saying that there were gaps in the fossil record. More recently, they have tried to explain it away with “punctuated equilibrium” (which we have discussed on several occasions, the most recent being last month).


If evolution were true, there would not be such clear divisions between classes, orders, and families. It should be really hard to decide if certain living creatures were reptiles or mammals because there should be innumerable living transitional forms."

99% or more of all Christians worldwide do not share your belief in a form of anti-evolution which you and others call "Creationism". We believe just simple god made everything - also evolution - and he was, is and always will be "the creator". Creation is not over yet. But this means not every form of theory of evolution is right or wrong. What's right or wrong and not only a semblance in context of the biological evolution of a species needs normally not a Christian discussion - that's just simple a discussion in the science biology. Example: The phylogeny of our eyes has nothing to do with an expression like "to see a problem". With all forms of light measurement systems in the complete electromagnetic spectrum we are able to see for example a problem - if we have the awareness or consciousness (and instruments like for example our eyes) to do so. But "to see" something with our "inner eyes" is what we need - even if we are blind. The light we speak about is not physics - it is meta-physics - perhaps more like a meta-physics in a similar way how mathematics is the meta-physics of physics.

 

[JoeBlow]

You'd have an argument if you can show life exists elsewhere. We haven't found any life in our solar system besides Earth.

They’ve found the building blocks of life all over the place. Actual life will probably be discovered within our lifetime.

 

[JoeBlow]

Doubtful.

They’ve found the building blocks of life all over the place. Actual life will probably be discovered within our lifetime.

 

[james bond]

I suspect he's Islamic and on a personal Jihad to discredit Christianity and Christians as extremist.

Why else would anyone cut and paste walls of text from a blogger called Do-While Jones?

I am 100% American, 100% Christian and 100% YEC. I doubt that makes me an extremist. Why don't you talk with zaangalewa about being Christian and evolutionist?

 

[james bond]

They’ve found the building blocks of life all over the place. Actual life will probably be discovered within our lifetime.

Doubtful as one can't create life from non-life. Only life begats life and we only have life on Earth. I doubt life could start elsewhere even with panspermia from Earth as the solar winds are too harsh for any life. It's like God made it so that we can't live anywhere, but on Earth for a long time. Maybe living in a space station, but they would need some place to get supplies..

 

[zaangalewa]

Have there been any experiments to find a god, or just 10,000 failed claims, and still Hundreds off Conflicting 'gods,' with at, least 75% of the planet wrong.
There are self-replicating inorganic molecules.

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The problem with the theories about self-organization of matter is it that evolution starts from a single point - from a first living reproductive structure. So it looks like the start of living matter is an extremely seldom event. If all matter is in principle self-organizing - why do we nearly never see this? And even in case god made this to happen - how to know that god was it who made this to happen or not to happen?