15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

[Sherlock Holmes]

So God had to make compromises ? ???

Yes, the compromise is that what is created within the universe is constrained by the properties of that universe otherwise he wouldn't have created the universe as he did.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Sure there is.

MTBF.

Which requires us to define failure and that requires us to have a specification as I said earlier, do you have a copy to hand?

 

[scruffy]

Which requires us to define failure and that requires us to have a specification as I said earlier, do you have a copy to hand?

Easy.

Failure is when you have to see the doctor.

 

[alang1216]

So this is the old "evolution of the gaps" that because of a perceived design shortcoming we can conclude something wasn't designed.

I guarantee you, choose the most "well designed" thing you can and I'll show that it wasn't really designed by showing you shortcomings, go on, choose something, anything you want.

Design (if you ever did any) always, always, always involves making compromises.

Why don't we start with ourselves and the recurrent laryngeal nerve? This is not a shortcoming, it is a design that is explained well by evolution and seems inexplicable as a design:

The extreme detour of the recurrent laryngeal nerves, about 4.6 metres (15 ft) in the case of giraffes,[32]: 74–75  is cited as evidence of evolution, as opposed to intelligent design. The nerve's route would have been direct in the fish-like ancestors of modern tetrapods, traveling from the brain, past the heart, to the gills (as it does in modern fish). Over the course of evolution, as the neck extended and the heart became lower in the body, the laryngeal nerve remained in its original course.​

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Why don't we start with ourselves and the recurrent laryngeal nerve? This is not a shortcoming, it is a design that is explained well by evolution and seems inexplicable as a design:

The extreme detour of the recurrent laryngeal nerves, about 4.6 metres (15 ft) in the case of giraffes,[32]: 74–75  is cited as evidence of evolution, as opposed to intelligent design. The nerve's route would have been direct in the fish-like ancestors of modern tetrapods, traveling from the brain, past the heart, to the gills (as it does in modern fish). Over the course of evolution, as the neck extended and the heart became lower in the body, the laryngeal nerve remained in its original course.​

Perhaps, I'm not familiar with that but no matter. That we cannot see a function in some feature does not prove that therefore that feature was not designed, that's an appalling argument, we can find many examples of that today in our human designed world, I can look at umpteen machines and systems and see things that I really find no value in but that doesn't mean they weren't designed.

Look at the appendix, I was told in school in the 1960s that it serves no purpose, that's not what I read today however.

 

[ding]

How many people have eye problems like blindness, need glasses, cataracts, detached retinas, glaucoma, etc. Poor design is poor design.

The human brain is estimated to compute at roughly 1 exaFLOP (10^18 operations) per second. Five years ago, the world's largest supercomputer operated at 0.2 exaFLOP/s and consumed 13 Megawatts. Our brain uses 20 watts.

I'm not sure of the computing speed or power consumption of today's supercomputers, but do you really think you are giving nature its proper due by making your eye argument?

 

[alang1216]

Horseshit

Such an angry person.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Evolution doesn't speak to the origin of life.

Nope. Just common descent.

But the basic tenets of evolution do explain abiogenesis. Statistical drift, selection, etc.

 

[alang1216]

Perhaps, I'm not familiar with that but no matter. That we cannot see a function in some feature does not prove that therefore that feature was not designed, that's an appalling argument, we can find many examples of that today in our human designed world, I can look at umpteen machines and systems and see things that I really find no value in but that doesn't mean they weren't designed.

Look at the appendix, I was told in school in the 1960s that it serves no purpose, that's not what I read today however.

there are none so blind as those who will not see

 

[alang1216]

The human brain is estimated to compute at roughly 1 exaFLOP (10^18 operations) per second. Five years ago, the world's largest supercomputer operated at 0.2 exaFLOP/s and consumed 13 Megawatts. Our brain uses 20 watts.

I'm not sure of the computing speed or power consumption of today's supercomputers, but do you really think you are giving nature its proper due by making your eye argument?

Imagine the computing speed and power consumption of computers 4 billion years from now!

 

[ding]

Such an angry person.

More like not buying your silly shit.

 

[ding]

Imagine the computing speed and power consumption of computers 4 billion years from now!

When they operate at 1 exaFLOP per 20 watts let me know. Until then continue being as unreasonable as you wish.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Of course.

Evolution doesn't speak to the origin of life.

It only describes how we get more complex life forms from less complex ones.

Evolution is combinatorics, nothing more.

It's like a Fibonacci sequence, you keep adding numbers and eventually you see patterns.

All of this is "Selected for". Why are massive objects in our universe spheroidal, and not cubical? Spheres are 'selected for', over cubes, in our universe, under the circumstances. Simple as that. Selection is how we have any life at all, and it is why life is finely tuned to the universe in which it finds itself. And not the other way around.

 

[scruffy]

More like not buying your silly shit.

Not buying your silly shit either, Mr. Know It All.

There are no flops in the brain. Brains don't work that way.

 

[scruffy]

why life is finely tuned to the universe in which it finds itself. And not the other way around.

That situation may not last forever.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That situation may not last forever.

Well I use the term loosely.

 

[ding]

Not buying your silly shit either, Mr. Know It All.

There are no flops in the brain. Brains don't work that way.

I don't know everything. Never claimed I did. I know what I know. And I know the human mind is the most complex thing in the universe that we know of. Good luck replicating the biological machinery of life.

 

[ReinyDays]

I don't know everything. Never claimed I did. I know what I know. And I know the human mind is the most complex thing in the universe that we know of. Good luck replicating the biological machinery of life.

We're doing that today ... a recent Nobel Prize was awarded to them folks who developed the mRNA vaccine ... I didn't say it was easy or inexpensive ... I'm just saying with enough money, we can duplicate all of DNA's regulatory processes ... whether we can duplicate her reproductive functions is, well, a closely guarded US Army secret ... [wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?]

 

[ReinyDays]

When they operate at 1 exaFLOP per 20 watts let me know. Until then continue being as unreasonable as you wish.

What makes you think a human can perform a floating decimal point operation in a single second? ... 1 FLOP? ...

328.67351 x 47298.25 =

The Vax Frontier installed at Oakridge runs at 2.5 ExaFLOPs ... but just one of the overhead LED light bulbs is 20 W ... God bless TVA ...

One mole of sugar produces 2.8 x 10^6 joules of energy ... about a half a cup ... guessing three hours to digest ... 260 W ... that's whole body, arguably required for brain function ... but just the brain using the ratio of mass ... ha ha ha ... vanishingly small 'round here ... but seriously, the brain's about a pound ... so one or two watts is all ...

We put a 20 watt incandescent light bulb under our rigs, in winter, in Iowa, to keep the engine warm and easier to start and repair when temperatures are -25ºF ... put that in our brain case and we'll be cookin' four shore ...

 

[ding]

What makes you think a human can perform a floating decimal point operation in a single second? ... 1 FLOP? ...

328.67351 x 47298.25 =

The Vax Frontier installed at Oakridge runs at 2.5 ExaFLOPs ... but just one of the overhead LED light bulbs is 20 W ... God bless TVA ...

One mole of sugar produces 2.8 x 10^6 joules of energy ... about a half a cup ... guessing three hours to digest ... 260 W ... that's whole body, arguably required for brain function ... but just the brain using the ratio of mass ... ha ha ha ... vanishingly small 'round here ... but seriously, the brain's about a pound ... so one or two watts is all ...

We put a 20 watt incandescent light bulb under our rigs, in winter, in Iowa, to keep the engine warm and easier to start and repair when temperatures are -25ºF ... put that in our brain case and we'll be cookin' four shore ...

Eu Tu Reiny