15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

Newtonian mechanics is supported by a mountain of evidence but it stands falsified. The volume of supporting observations does not compensate for falsifying observations. All it takes is one clear falsifying observation and we have to admit the theory is wrong.

It's not wrong, not at all.

What you mean to say is the theory has LIMITED SCOPE.

The Cambrian is just one example of a blatant falsifying observation.
Until I see clear evidence of common descent fossils in the Cambrian I will remain skeptical.

You're entitled to be skeptical.

But I will repeat that evolution is biophysical, it has very little to do with fossils. Or species.

But it is the evolutionists who make a big deal of fossils, it is always cited as compelling evidence for evolution by evolutionists! You can't say that and then turn around and say the fossil record is irrelevant just because it doesn't fit your expectations, look it is the first thing mentioned here, yet you say it is irrelevant!

The fossil record is artifactual. It is merely one possible trajectory.

Evolution is biophysical. It occurs at the level of DNA molecules. Everything that happens after that is artifactual.

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I understand the role of genetic mutations and natural selection, yes these are observable, it is the capacity for that to account for what we see that is being questioned, the fossil record is inconsistent with the claims made about mutations etc.

No it isn't. Your lack of understanding does not equate with impossibility.

The mutation of DNA cannot be sufficient to explain the fossil record.

Sure it can.

Your line of reasoning is typical too, emphasizing the importance of this or that observation when it meets expectations then the downplaying of that when it doesn't.

I can stick a pin in a tadpole at just the right time, and when the frog grows up it will have an arm where its eye is supposed to be.

We understand "almost nothing" about biological development, historical or otherwise.

For evolutionists the only observations that are important are those that are consistent with the empirical expectations of the theory, observations that do not fit are sidelined, called "irrelevant", so the fossil record is important when it contains what you want it to and irrelevant when it does not.

Evolution is biophysical. Mutations consist of changes in the DNA sequence. Selection consists of success or failure of those changes in the niche. Period.

I make no claims about the relationship to shape, fossils, species, or anything else.

What I know and can prove is, claims of impossibility are completely bogus.

That's a form of pseudo-science.

Which is a meaningless term.

Science consists of experimentation. You know the rules. Independently observable and repeatable.

The first synthetic life form is only 14 years old. That was the first time we had enough technology to experiment. They created a brand new single celled life form that doesn't exist in nature. No one has yet created a synthetic multicellular life form. But they will, it's just around the corner.

That is how we gain scientific knowledge. By experimenting. Not by looking at fossils.
 
1 + 1 = 2
That is true today just as it was before the universe existed. The laws of nature probably pre-date our universe.
The laws of nature are statements about the universe, they have no meaning if there is no universe. Also 1 + 1 = 2 is only true with a specific definition for the symbols, as the definition might vary so might the validity of the statement.
You completely missed my point. What I said was that there is zero evidence that the Creator of the universe was the one who spoke to Moses. Was there only one Creator and how would we know? How would the Creator know?
Very well, I understand now.
 
It's not wrong, not at all.

What you mean to say is the theory has LIMITED SCOPE.
Alright, would you agree then that Newtonian mechanics has been falsified? It predicts X but we observe Y?
You're entitled to be skeptical.

But I will repeat that evolution is biophysical, it has very little to do with fossils. Or species.
Biophysical or not, the fossils do represent snapshots of state over time don't they? Many books state emphatically that the fossil record is one of the pillars supporting evolution so your view that it is incidental is at odds with the literature surely?
The fossil record is artifactual. It is merely one possible trajectory.

Evolution is biophysical. It occurs at the level of DNA molecules. Everything that happens after that is artifactual.
Right but the fossils are presumed to record a history of those DNA changes, closely related fossils imply closely related DNA (most of the time).
No it isn't. Your lack of understanding does not equate with impossibility.
I never used the world "impossibility" though, the fossil record is only consistent with the claims of evolution if any missing yet expected artifacts are set aside, the "gaps" for want of a better word are assumed to be nothing more than a failure to preserve, but how can you be sure there was anything to preserve?

This is the case with the Cambrian, look at just one mollusk - Anomalocaris - that was quite a big animal, fossils suggest specimens could be as large as a mid sized dog. That beast had compound eyes who's complexity rivals that of the best compound eyes we see in nature today, with some 16,000 hexagonal cells. Yet the fossils for this complex, large animal always appear more or less that form, everywhere we find them they are recognizable as Anomalocaris yet in none of the places we find them do we find any evidence of a gradual evolutionary ancestral chain.

In short there's no fossil evidence that Anomalocaris did evolve, yet I am expected to believe these ancestors did actually exist - why should I believe that without evidence? that's precisely what atheists complain about in theism, belief without evidence, yet here you are doing precisely that.

Sure it can.
Only if one is willing to argue that large macro changes can evolve in a few generations, but it starts to get absurd, basically one needs to believe that evolution can achieve anything at which point we have to ask how then can it ever be falsified? if every case where it seems to be falsified is dismissed as simply being an apparent falsification?
I can stick a pin in a tadpole at just the right time, and when the frog grows up it will have an arm where its eye is supposed to be.

We understand "almost nothing" about biological development, historical or otherwise.
Again, the actual evidence then doesn't matter, evolution does explain today's animal world irrespective of evidence or want thereof, as i said such hypotheses cannot be falsified when the tolerance for disparity between theory and observation is allowed to be huge.
Evolution is biophysical. Mutations consist of changes in the DNA sequence. Selection consists of success or failure of those changes in the niche. Period.

I make no claims about the relationship to shape, fossils, species, or anything else.

What I know and can prove is, claims of impossibility are completely bogus.
I'm not claiming impossibility, I am saying that the fossil evidence (and the absence of it) seriously undermine the claims of the hypothesis.
Which is a meaningless term.
Well evolutionists use it all the time when critiquing rival explanations, like say ID.
Science consists of experimentation. You know the rules. Independently observable and repeatable.

The first synthetic life form is only 14 years old. That was the first time we had enough technology to experiment. They created a brand new single celled life form that doesn't exist in nature. No one has yet created a synthetic multicellular life form. But they will, it's just around the corner.

That is how we gain scientific knowledge. By experimenting. Not by looking at fossils.
But the fossils have to have an explanation, one cannot rely on them as evidence when they fit the expectations yet set them aside when they don't. We have great repeatability with Cambrian fossils, they are found all over the earth and more or less the same forms are found too. Isn't it asking rather a lot to say that the only preserved specimens everywhere we find them, are always at the same point in their evolution and no prior ancestors are ever found?

Look at this :

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We find examples of these branch nodes all over the place, Anomalocaris has been found in Wales, Canada, China and Australia, yet no fossil of a credible ancestor is ever found, but the number of generations from that common ancestor to Anomalocaris must have been huge, so there will have been millions of ancestor representing the gradual mutation of that ancestor, so why just that thin tiny slice of time is preserved?

There must have been an Anomalocaris ancestor with poorer less developed vision (16,000 compound cells) but we don't find them, we only find examples of that specific form.

Let's also not overlook the fact that many of the fossil beds where these Cambrians are found also show fossilized jellyfish, amoebas and delicate single celled organisms, that's how good the conditions were for preservation, but not a sign of any of the ancestors or ancestors ancestors or ancestors ancestors ancestors...
 
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It seems to me that you believe the universe existing and intelligence arising is just happenstance, right? What evidence do you have for that?
I have no idea how or why the universe began. Is intelligence inevitable? Who really knows, it may turn out to be self-defeating and a temporary adoration. It is not we have any other examples of life. It did take billions of years and numerous accidents to occur so if it had never occurred, Earth would not even notice.
 
I have no idea how or why the universe began. Is intelligence inevitable? Who really knows, it may turn out to be self-defeating and a temporary adoration. It is not we have any other examples of life. It did take billions of years and numerous accidents to occur so if it had never occurred, Earth would not even notice.
So no evidence for a happenstance universe?
 
I have no idea how or why the universe began. Is intelligence inevitable? Who really knows, it may turn out to be self-defeating and a temporary adoration. It is not we have any other examples of life. It did take billions of years and numerous accidents to occur so if it had never occurred, Earth would not even notice.
Information.

Intelligence is simply the ability to make use of information.

My opinion is that information is more fundamental than photons.

Some of the evidence includes entanglement, which is the correlation of information in seeming violation of the quantum rules.
 
Information.

Intelligence is simply the ability to make use of information.

My opinion is that information is more fundamental than photons.

Some of the evidence includes entanglement, which is the correlation of information in seeming violation of the quantum rules.
So anything that can sense its environment is intelligent? That is everything from bacteria and viruses to trees and animals.
 
So the universe has an intention? You?
The universe was created intentionally to produce intelligence.

Remember... this debate comes down to was the universe created through happenstance or was it created intentionally.
 
The universe was created intentionally to produce intelligence.
Intelligence evolves toward an attractor created by physical structure and physical laws.
 
So, here is an idea:

Creationism is (strictly) "true", AND the Theory of Evolution is "true".

No? Impossible?
 
So, here is an idea:

Creationism is (strictly) "true", AND the Theory of Evolution is "true".

No? Impossible?
Of course.

Evolution doesn't speak to the origin of life.

It only describes how we get more complex life forms from less complex ones.

Evolution is combinatorics, nothing more.

It's like a Fibonacci sequence, you keep adding numbers and eventually you see patterns.
 
No evidence for an intelligent creator either.
Zero. Squat. Nada.

An intelligent one would have done things differently. Who's gonna design an advanced life form that walks around farting all the time? :p
 
The laws of nature are statements about the universe, they have no meaning if there is no universe. Also 1 + 1 = 2 is only true with a specific definition for the symbols, as the definition might vary so might the validity of the statement.

You have that backwards. The symbols we attach to things have no meaning for anyone but us. However 1 + 1 still equals two, regardless of the symbols du jour. That is the whole basis of number theory. There are patterns in numbers which resolve to universal constants like pi and e. They're not "numbers", they're relationships between things.
 
Zero. Squat. Nada.

An intelligent one would have done things differently. Who's gonna design an advanced life form that walks around farting all the time? :p
I was always impressed by the incredible complexity produced by nature. Not sure how anyone could believe they could do it better.
 
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