12 Dead in Mass Shooting at So.Cal Bar

[Skull Pilot]

there's almost zero recoil in the ar-15. by design. not sure how this becomes the I TOLD YOU ITS DANGEROUS mantra you're making it out to be. most modern semi-automatic rifles manage this well.

not sure why when this particular shooter used a Glock .45 we gotta bring AR's back into it. been said time and again it's not the style of gun it's the mental idiot using it.

focus on those who show a mental issue and look in that direction.

Simple. He couldn't readily and easily buy an AR but he could buy and probably had it for years, a 1911. Every once in awhile, a gun reg actually works. In this case it worked. There is no way that anyone could have prevented the shooting. We can only look at the aftermath and start to piece the pieces together. There is a lot of BS put out about it but the fact remains that he was going to shoot up the place and nothing was going to stop him. He had the skill sets far beyond anyone there including the two armed cops that entered the building. They went into a War Zone Firefight which was what the Marine was trained to do. They were Cops, not Marines or 101st or better. There doesn't appear to be any great planning gone into the shooters actions. He did exactly what he was trained to do. Remove the initial threats (the security first) and then eliminate the objectives. When enough cops came on scene he knew it was over and ended it by taking his own life. This was more a form of Suicide than anything else. This is one time where the Californian Laws kept the body count down. It could have been worse in places like Florida and Nevada. In fact, it has been worse there. And until we started passing common sense laws and doing local awareness here, it was worse here.

You want it all about the AR? The first thing to do is to stop trying to make it all about the AR. When the Cult of the AR ceases then the Mass shooting will also go way down. They won't stop but maybe we can keep the body count down. How about culting the Glock for the well dressed mass shooter for a change.

You cannot say with any confidence that he would have killed more people with a different weapon.

Easy answer. I don't have nearly his skill set but using my own, I could have killed at least 30 in a matter of a few seconds with the right weapon. With his skill set, if anyone had not fled, they would have been a casualty if not a body count. His score, out of a possible 62, could have easily been 55 with the right weapon that is NOT available in his area so easily. Nor is the 30 round mags he would need.

He used a Glock 21 with a 30 round extended mag. He only had that one mag. Normally the stock mag held 10 so I imagine he had that with him as well and could have expended the 30 round and changed to the 10 round clip. That's a complete total of 40 rounds available to him. Each fatality means 1 round The normal Mass Shooter uses a 30 round mag and has at least 3 other 30 round mags and can reload in less than a second on the "Weapon of Choice". That means 120 rounds and he can expend all 120 rounds in about a minute. In a packed target rich area like that, he could have hit 3 people with each round. Do the math on this one. By depriving him of the "Weapon of Choice" he used a handgun with only one maybe two clips with a total of 40 rounds. The other Mass Murders would be ashamed of him.

again so what

He also threw smoke bombs into the building

Speculation that he would have killed more with a different weapon is meaningless

Handguns are not nearly as regulated as semi auto rifles. And in 7 states, the AR along with the AR support equipment are banned. California is one of those 7. The AR is the weapon of choice for the Well Dressed In Fashion Mass Killer in places like Nevada, Florida and Texas. And the pockets holding the extra Mags are fashionable and to just die for. It doesn't appear there was any great planning involved. With his skill sets he really didn't need much of a plan. But there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that if he had access to an AR and 4 30 round Mags he would have use that instead of the Glock. The Glock can be purchased at any gun shop in California with just an ID. The extended Clip can be ordered through the Internet. But an AR can't be purchased at ANY guns shop in California and the 30 round mags could be ordered through the internet though. If he had taken his time and actually planned it out, he might have use the more Fashionable Mass Murder Trappings. But he didn't take that time of having to go out of the state, use a fake ID, lie about himself on the gun checks or run down a gun show and lie with a fake ID to be more "Fashionable". Compared to the other Mass Killers he was a street urchin.

Again you assume. and FYI handguns are more regulated than rifles of any kind. In most states you have to be 21 to buy a handgun and in many states you need an additional permit to do so

He walked in with one extended mag and for his .45 and yet you assume he would have had more if he had an AR. He could have certainly had more for his .45 but he didn't.

and FYI any semiautomatic rifle chambered for .223 could have been used but it wasn't.

If he wanted to use a semi auto rifle he certainly could have but he didn't so stop with the ridiculous speculation and stick to the fucking facts

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Simple. He couldn't readily and easily buy an AR but he could buy and probably had it for years, a 1911. Every once in awhile, a gun reg actually works. In this case it worked. There is no way that anyone could have prevented the shooting. We can only look at the aftermath and start to piece the pieces together. There is a lot of BS put out about it but the fact remains that he was going to shoot up the place and nothing was going to stop him. He had the skill sets far beyond anyone there including the two armed cops that entered the building. They went into a War Zone Firefight which was what the Marine was trained to do. They were Cops, not Marines or 101st or better. There doesn't appear to be any great planning gone into the shooters actions. He did exactly what he was trained to do. Remove the initial threats (the security first) and then eliminate the objectives. When enough cops came on scene he knew it was over and ended it by taking his own life. This was more a form of Suicide than anything else. This is one time where the Californian Laws kept the body count down. It could have been worse in places like Florida and Nevada. In fact, it has been worse there. And until we started passing common sense laws and doing local awareness here, it was worse here.

You want it all about the AR? The first thing to do is to stop trying to make it all about the AR. When the Cult of the AR ceases then the Mass shooting will also go way down. They won't stop but maybe we can keep the body count down. How about culting the Glock for the well dressed mass shooter for a change.

You cannot say with any confidence that he would have killed more people with a different weapon.

Easy answer. I don't have nearly his skill set but using my own, I could have killed at least 30 in a matter of a few seconds with the right weapon. With his skill set, if anyone had not fled, they would have been a casualty if not a body count. His score, out of a possible 62, could have easily been 55 with the right weapon that is NOT available in his area so easily. Nor is the 30 round mags he would need.

He used a Glock 21 with a 30 round extended mag. He only had that one mag. Normally the stock mag held 10 so I imagine he had that with him as well and could have expended the 30 round and changed to the 10 round clip. That's a complete total of 40 rounds available to him. Each fatality means 1 round The normal Mass Shooter uses a 30 round mag and has at least 3 other 30 round mags and can reload in less than a second on the "Weapon of Choice". That means 120 rounds and he can expend all 120 rounds in about a minute. In a packed target rich area like that, he could have hit 3 people with each round. Do the math on this one. By depriving him of the "Weapon of Choice" he used a handgun with only one maybe two clips with a total of 40 rounds. The other Mass Murders would be ashamed of him.

again so what

He also threw smoke bombs into the building

Speculation that he would have killed more with a different weapon is meaningless

Handguns are not nearly as regulated as semi auto rifles. And in 7 states, the AR along with the AR support equipment are banned. California is one of those 7. The AR is the weapon of choice for the Well Dressed In Fashion Mass Killer in places like Nevada, Florida and Texas. And the pockets holding the extra Mags are fashionable and to just die for. It doesn't appear there was any great planning involved. With his skill sets he really didn't need much of a plan. But there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that if he had access to an AR and 4 30 round Mags he would have use that instead of the Glock. The Glock can be purchased at any gun shop in California with just an ID. The extended Clip can be ordered through the Internet. But an AR can't be purchased at ANY guns shop in California and the 30 round mags could be ordered through the internet though. If he had taken his time and actually planned it out, he might have use the more Fashionable Mass Murder Trappings. But he didn't take that time of having to go out of the state, use a fake ID, lie about himself on the gun checks or run down a gun show and lie with a fake ID to be more "Fashionable". Compared to the other Mass Killers he was a street urchin.

Again you assume. and FYI handguns are more regulated than rifles of any kind. In most states you have to be 21 to buy a handgun and in many states you need an additional permit to do so

He walked in with one extended mag and for his .45 and yet you assume he would have had more if he had an AR. He could have certainly had more for his .45 but he didn't.

and FYI any semiautomatic rifle chambered for .223 could have been used but it wasn't.

If he wanted to use a semi auto rifle he certainly could have but he didn't so stop with the ridiculous speculation and stick to the fucking facts

You certainly are protecting your "God" of Fashion, aren't you.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You cannot say with any confidence that he would have killed more people with a different weapon.

Easy answer. I don't have nearly his skill set but using my own, I could have killed at least 30 in a matter of a few seconds with the right weapon. With his skill set, if anyone had not fled, they would have been a casualty if not a body count. His score, out of a possible 62, could have easily been 55 with the right weapon that is NOT available in his area so easily. Nor is the 30 round mags he would need.

He used a Glock 21 with a 30 round extended mag. He only had that one mag. Normally the stock mag held 10 so I imagine he had that with him as well and could have expended the 30 round and changed to the 10 round clip. That's a complete total of 40 rounds available to him. Each fatality means 1 round The normal Mass Shooter uses a 30 round mag and has at least 3 other 30 round mags and can reload in less than a second on the "Weapon of Choice". That means 120 rounds and he can expend all 120 rounds in about a minute. In a packed target rich area like that, he could have hit 3 people with each round. Do the math on this one. By depriving him of the "Weapon of Choice" he used a handgun with only one maybe two clips with a total of 40 rounds. The other Mass Murders would be ashamed of him.

again so what

He also threw smoke bombs into the building

Speculation that he would have killed more with a different weapon is meaningless

Handguns are not nearly as regulated as semi auto rifles. And in 7 states, the AR along with the AR support equipment are banned. California is one of those 7. The AR is the weapon of choice for the Well Dressed In Fashion Mass Killer in places like Nevada, Florida and Texas. And the pockets holding the extra Mags are fashionable and to just die for. It doesn't appear there was any great planning involved. With his skill sets he really didn't need much of a plan. But there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that if he had access to an AR and 4 30 round Mags he would have use that instead of the Glock. The Glock can be purchased at any gun shop in California with just an ID. The extended Clip can be ordered through the Internet. But an AR can't be purchased at ANY guns shop in California and the 30 round mags could be ordered through the internet though. If he had taken his time and actually planned it out, he might have use the more Fashionable Mass Murder Trappings. But he didn't take that time of having to go out of the state, use a fake ID, lie about himself on the gun checks or run down a gun show and lie with a fake ID to be more "Fashionable". Compared to the other Mass Killers he was a street urchin.

Again you assume. and FYI handguns are more regulated than rifles of any kind. In most states you have to be 21 to buy a handgun and in many states you need an additional permit to do so

He walked in with one extended mag and for his .45 and yet you assume he would have had more if he had an AR. He could have certainly had more for his .45 but he didn't.

and FYI any semiautomatic rifle chambered for .223 could have been used but it wasn't.

If he wanted to use a semi auto rifle he certainly could have but he didn't so stop with the ridiculous speculation and stick to the fucking facts

You certainly are protecting your "God" of Fashion, aren't you.

No I am stating the facts you are making up stories

ANd FYI I'm an atheist

 

[OldLady]

The pump action shotgun is an actual, current War weapon...... used by our military all over the world......the AR-15 has never been used in a war....

Thats why a pump action shotgun should never be carried in public. The AR-15 looks just like the M16A! rifle so that should be banned.

I don't care if it's pink and wears panties. Regardless of what it looks like, its function makes it totally inappropriate for civilian ownership. We are NOT at war; the AR was modeled directly on the M16 (which is why it looks like one) and has one purpose. People don't use it to hunt; they use it play Rambo.

Other way around. The M-16 was modeled from the AR-15 Model 601 originally purchased by many third world countries and the USAF. The Army bought it but cheapened it up a bit to save money, used their own garbage dirty powder, didn't buy the cleaning kits that is supposed to be held in the stock but added a rail for the M-203 and the ability to use a Bayonet. Then they had Colt stamp M-16 on it instead of AR-15 Model 601. Believe it or not, the AR-15 semi auto predates the M-16 by about 5 years. The AR-15 Model 601 full auto predates the M-16 by almost 10 years. Outside of only a handful of parts, both the M-16, AR-15, and the AR-15 Model 601 is identical. And all three have seen combat.

That's interesting, Daryl. Thank you.
My point was that the AR was a gun designed for combat, modified a wee bit for civilian consumption. Your post underscores that point.

IMO, we have no call to own them.

But, who are you to impose your opinion on others? Do you get upset when anti-abortion people try to impose their opinions on women? There is no difference.

This is a political message board. We share our opinions here.

 

[hunarcy]

Thats why a pump action shotgun should never be carried in public. The AR-15 looks just like the M16A! rifle so that should be banned.

I don't care if it's pink and wears panties. Regardless of what it looks like, its function makes it totally inappropriate for civilian ownership. We are NOT at war; the AR was modeled directly on the M16 (which is why it looks like one) and has one purpose. People don't use it to hunt; they use it play Rambo.

Other way around. The M-16 was modeled from the AR-15 Model 601 originally purchased by many third world countries and the USAF. The Army bought it but cheapened it up a bit to save money, used their own garbage dirty powder, didn't buy the cleaning kits that is supposed to be held in the stock but added a rail for the M-203 and the ability to use a Bayonet. Then they had Colt stamp M-16 on it instead of AR-15 Model 601. Believe it or not, the AR-15 semi auto predates the M-16 by about 5 years. The AR-15 Model 601 full auto predates the M-16 by almost 10 years. Outside of only a handful of parts, both the M-16, AR-15, and the AR-15 Model 601 is identical. And all three have seen combat.

That's interesting, Daryl. Thank you.
My point was that the AR was a gun designed for combat, modified a wee bit for civilian consumption. Your post underscores that point.

IMO, we have no call to own them.

But, who are you to impose your opinion on others? Do you get upset when anti-abortion people try to impose their opinions on women? There is no difference.

This is a political message board. We share our opinions here.

Sharing opinions is one thing. Imposing your opinion is something else.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Easy answer. I don't have nearly his skill set but using my own, I could have killed at least 30 in a matter of a few seconds with the right weapon. With his skill set, if anyone had not fled, they would have been a casualty if not a body count. His score, out of a possible 62, could have easily been 55 with the right weapon that is NOT available in his area so easily. Nor is the 30 round mags he would need.

He used a Glock 21 with a 30 round extended mag. He only had that one mag. Normally the stock mag held 10 so I imagine he had that with him as well and could have expended the 30 round and changed to the 10 round clip. That's a complete total of 40 rounds available to him. Each fatality means 1 round The normal Mass Shooter uses a 30 round mag and has at least 3 other 30 round mags and can reload in less than a second on the "Weapon of Choice". That means 120 rounds and he can expend all 120 rounds in about a minute. In a packed target rich area like that, he could have hit 3 people with each round. Do the math on this one. By depriving him of the "Weapon of Choice" he used a handgun with only one maybe two clips with a total of 40 rounds. The other Mass Murders would be ashamed of him.

again so what

He also threw smoke bombs into the building

Speculation that he would have killed more with a different weapon is meaningless

Handguns are not nearly as regulated as semi auto rifles. And in 7 states, the AR along with the AR support equipment are banned. California is one of those 7. The AR is the weapon of choice for the Well Dressed In Fashion Mass Killer in places like Nevada, Florida and Texas. And the pockets holding the extra Mags are fashionable and to just die for. It doesn't appear there was any great planning involved. With his skill sets he really didn't need much of a plan. But there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that if he had access to an AR and 4 30 round Mags he would have use that instead of the Glock. The Glock can be purchased at any gun shop in California with just an ID. The extended Clip can be ordered through the Internet. But an AR can't be purchased at ANY guns shop in California and the 30 round mags could be ordered through the internet though. If he had taken his time and actually planned it out, he might have use the more Fashionable Mass Murder Trappings. But he didn't take that time of having to go out of the state, use a fake ID, lie about himself on the gun checks or run down a gun show and lie with a fake ID to be more "Fashionable". Compared to the other Mass Killers he was a street urchin.

Again you assume. and FYI handguns are more regulated than rifles of any kind. In most states you have to be 21 to buy a handgun and in many states you need an additional permit to do so

He walked in with one extended mag and for his .45 and yet you assume he would have had more if he had an AR. He could have certainly had more for his .45 but he didn't.

and FYI any semiautomatic rifle chambered for .223 could have been used but it wasn't.

If he wanted to use a semi auto rifle he certainly could have but he didn't so stop with the ridiculous speculation and stick to the fucking facts

You certainly are protecting your "God" of Fashion, aren't you.

No I am stating the facts you are making up stories

ANd FYI I'm an atheist

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I don't care if it's pink and wears panties. Regardless of what it looks like, its function makes it totally inappropriate for civilian ownership. We are NOT at war; the AR was modeled directly on the M16 (which is why it looks like one) and has one purpose. People don't use it to hunt; they use it play Rambo.

Other way around. The M-16 was modeled from the AR-15 Model 601 originally purchased by many third world countries and the USAF. The Army bought it but cheapened it up a bit to save money, used their own garbage dirty powder, didn't buy the cleaning kits that is supposed to be held in the stock but added a rail for the M-203 and the ability to use a Bayonet. Then they had Colt stamp M-16 on it instead of AR-15 Model 601. Believe it or not, the AR-15 semi auto predates the M-16 by about 5 years. The AR-15 Model 601 full auto predates the M-16 by almost 10 years. Outside of only a handful of parts, both the M-16, AR-15, and the AR-15 Model 601 is identical. And all three have seen combat.

That's interesting, Daryl. Thank you.
My point was that the AR was a gun designed for combat, modified a wee bit for civilian consumption. Your post underscores that point.

IMO, we have no call to own them.

But, who are you to impose your opinion on others? Do you get upset when anti-abortion people try to impose their opinions on women? There is no difference.

This is a political message board. We share our opinions here.

Sharing opinions is one thing. Imposing your opinion is something else.

I guess you mean that since she isn't an extreme right wing gun crazy, disagree with you is imposing. It's about damned time others started voicing their opinion. You and yours keep trying to shout the majority down. Well, cupcake, the majority voted for the House and you lost your shirt. In some of the states, it wasn't a blue wave, it was a blue tsunami. We need for others to feel free to voice their own opinions. I have 20 years defending YOUR right to express yours. But I also defended hers and mine as well.

 

[2aguy]

Other way around. The M-16 was modeled from the AR-15 Model 601 originally purchased by many third world countries and the USAF. The Army bought it but cheapened it up a bit to save money, used their own garbage dirty powder, didn't buy the cleaning kits that is supposed to be held in the stock but added a rail for the M-203 and the ability to use a Bayonet. Then they had Colt stamp M-16 on it instead of AR-15 Model 601. Believe it or not, the AR-15 semi auto predates the M-16 by about 5 years. The AR-15 Model 601 full auto predates the M-16 by almost 10 years. Outside of only a handful of parts, both the M-16, AR-15, and the AR-15 Model 601 is identical. And all three have seen combat.

That's interesting, Daryl. Thank you.
My point was that the AR was a gun designed for combat, modified a wee bit for civilian consumption. Your post underscores that point.

IMO, we have no call to own them.

But, who are you to impose your opinion on others? Do you get upset when anti-abortion people try to impose their opinions on women? There is no difference.

This is a political message board. We share our opinions here.

Sharing opinions is one thing. Imposing your opinion is something else.

I guess you mean that since she isn't an extreme right wing gun crazy, disagree with you is imposing. It's about damned time others started voicing their opinion. You and yours keep trying to shout the majority down. Well, cupcake, the majority voted for the House and you lost your shirt. In some of the states, it wasn't a blue wave, it was a blue tsunami. We need for others to feel free to voice their own opinions. I have 20 years defending YOUR right to express yours. But I also defended hers and mine as well.

Moron, the democrats underperformed for a midterm election with 2 years of calling Trump and republicans racist, sexist, nazis, homphobes and every democrat media outlet carrying their water for them...

you asshats failed.

 

[pismoe]

That's interesting, Daryl. Thank you.
My point was that the AR was a gun designed for combat, modified a wee bit for civilian consumption. Your post underscores that point.

IMO, we have no call to own them.

But, who are you to impose your opinion on others? Do you get upset when anti-abortion people try to impose their opinions on women? There is no difference.

This is a political message board. We share our opinions here.

Sharing opinions is one thing. Imposing your opinion is something else.

I guess you mean that since she isn't an extreme right wing gun crazy, disagree with you is imposing. It's about damned time others started voicing their opinion. You and yours keep trying to shout the majority down. Well, cupcake, the majority voted for the House and you lost your shirt. In some of the states, it wasn't a blue wave, it was a blue tsunami. We need for others to feel free to voice their own opinions. I have 20 years defending YOUR right to express yours. But I also defended hers and mine as well.

Moron, the democrats underperformed and failed for a midterm election with 2 years of calling Trump and republicans racist, sexist, nazis, homphobes and every democrat media outlet carrying their water for them...

you asshats failed.

------------------------------- think thats True , they under performed , how many seats did they get in an off year election after 40 or more repub rinos retired or resigned . -------------- i think !!.

 

[pismoe]

That's interesting, Daryl. Thank you.
My point was that the AR was a gun designed for combat, modified a wee bit for civilian consumption. Your post underscores that point.

IMO, we have no call to own them.

But, who are you to impose your opinion on others? Do you get upset when anti-abortion people try to impose their opinions on women? There is no difference.

This is a political message board. We share our opinions here.

Sharing opinions is one thing. Imposing your opinion is something else.

I guess you mean that since she isn't an extreme right wing gun crazy, disagree with you is imposing. It's about damned time others started voicing their opinion. You and yours keep trying to shout the majority down. Well, cupcake, the majority voted for the House and you lost your shirt. In some of the states, it wasn't a blue wave, it was a blue tsunami. We need for others to feel free to voice their own opinions. I have 20 years defending YOUR right to express yours. But I also defended hers and mine as well.

Moron, the democrats underperformed for a midterm election with 2 years of calling Trump and republicans racist, sexist, nazis, homphobes and every democrat media outlet carrying their water for them...

you asshats failed.

!!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

But, who are you to impose your opinion on others? Do you get upset when anti-abortion people try to impose their opinions on women? There is no difference.

This is a political message board. We share our opinions here.

Sharing opinions is one thing. Imposing your opinion is something else.

I guess you mean that since she isn't an extreme right wing gun crazy, disagree with you is imposing. It's about damned time others started voicing their opinion. You and yours keep trying to shout the majority down. Well, cupcake, the majority voted for the House and you lost your shirt. In some of the states, it wasn't a blue wave, it was a blue tsunami. We need for others to feel free to voice their own opinions. I have 20 years defending YOUR right to express yours. But I also defended hers and mine as well.

Moron, the democrats underperformed for a midterm election with 2 years of calling Trump and republicans racist, sexist, nazis, homphobes and every democrat media outlet carrying their water for them...

you asshats failed.

!!

In this state, there was no Blue Wave. What we had was a Blue Tsunami. It went from a purple state to a deep blue. But not like you imagine. The Dems that replaced all but 2 of the reps (one doesn't run until 2020 and the other barely was reelected to the house closer than ever before) are all more like the Blue Dog Democrats. They are about 6 degrees off of an old style Republican. These people are hardly Liberals, more Moderates or Centrists. 70 years ago, they would have been solid Republicans. The Colorado Senate has to run in 2020 and are very worried since it's made up Primarily of the "NEW" Republicans.

The fact remains, the Dems control the house now in Congress. Deal with it. I am not saying that things are going to be peachy king or that the new Dems are going to do miracles but I think both sides had better work together (do their damned jobs) or look for more changes on both sides of the aisle.

Considering that the Dems took the House with more a margin that was thought, it appears it was a win no matter how we look at it. You need to do what many of the Rep Powerhouses round here are saying and get the Reps to change their message and change their brand. Wouldn't it be nice if they studied up on Eisenhower and draft and operate like that? If that were to happen, they would get my vote.

Oh, did I mention the 7 Republican Governors that were sent packing?

Sorry, I don't just pull one lever every time. Most of us don''t. The worst thing your bunch ever did was to start a war that pissed us off and got us to the voting booths.

 

[OldLady]

I don't care if it's pink and wears panties. Regardless of what it looks like, its function makes it totally inappropriate for civilian ownership. We are NOT at war; the AR was modeled directly on the M16 (which is why it looks like one) and has one purpose. People don't use it to hunt; they use it play Rambo.

Other way around. The M-16 was modeled from the AR-15 Model 601 originally purchased by many third world countries and the USAF. The Army bought it but cheapened it up a bit to save money, used their own garbage dirty powder, didn't buy the cleaning kits that is supposed to be held in the stock but added a rail for the M-203 and the ability to use a Bayonet. Then they had Colt stamp M-16 on it instead of AR-15 Model 601. Believe it or not, the AR-15 semi auto predates the M-16 by about 5 years. The AR-15 Model 601 full auto predates the M-16 by almost 10 years. Outside of only a handful of parts, both the M-16, AR-15, and the AR-15 Model 601 is identical. And all three have seen combat.

That's interesting, Daryl. Thank you.
My point was that the AR was a gun designed for combat, modified a wee bit for civilian consumption. Your post underscores that point.

IMO, we have no call to own them.

But, who are you to impose your opinion on others? Do you get upset when anti-abortion people try to impose their opinions on women? There is no difference.

This is a political message board. We share our opinions here.

Sharing opinions is one thing. Imposing your opinion is something else.

I said, "In my opinion," so shut up.

 

[pismoe]

I don't care if it's pink and wears panties. Regardless of what it looks like, its function makes it totally inappropriate for civilian ownership. We are NOT at war; the AR was modeled directly on the M16 (which is why it looks like one) and has one purpose. People don't use it to hunt; they use it play Rambo.

Other way around. The M-16 was modeled from the AR-15 Model 601 originally purchased by many third world countries and the USAF. The Army bought it but cheapened it up a bit to save money, used their own garbage dirty powder, didn't buy the cleaning kits that is supposed to be held in the stock but added a rail for the M-203 and the ability to use a Bayonet. Then they had Colt stamp M-16 on it instead of AR-15 Model 601. Believe it or not, the AR-15 semi auto predates the M-16 by about 5 years. The AR-15 Model 601 full auto predates the M-16 by almost 10 years. Outside of only a handful of parts, both the M-16, AR-15, and the AR-15 Model 601 is identical. And all three have seen combat.

That's interesting, Daryl. Thank you.
My point was that the AR was a gun designed for combat, modified a wee bit for civilian consumption. Your post underscores that point.

IMO, we have no call to own them.

But, who are you to impose your opinion on others? Do you get upset when anti-abortion people try to impose their opinions on women? There is no difference.

This is a political message board. We share our opinions here.

Sharing opinions is one thing. Imposing your opinion is something else.

----------------------------------- yeah ,she'd IMPOSE her opinion or DICTATE her opinion using laws crafted by lefties and 'dems' . And USA police , military and other taxpayer paid government employees would enforce with threat of violence and their Guns .

 

[Skull Pilot]

again so what

He also threw smoke bombs into the building

Speculation that he would have killed more with a different weapon is meaningless

Handguns are not nearly as regulated as semi auto rifles. And in 7 states, the AR along with the AR support equipment are banned. California is one of those 7. The AR is the weapon of choice for the Well Dressed In Fashion Mass Killer in places like Nevada, Florida and Texas. And the pockets holding the extra Mags are fashionable and to just die for. It doesn't appear there was any great planning involved. With his skill sets he really didn't need much of a plan. But there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that if he had access to an AR and 4 30 round Mags he would have use that instead of the Glock. The Glock can be purchased at any gun shop in California with just an ID. The extended Clip can be ordered through the Internet. But an AR can't be purchased at ANY guns shop in California and the 30 round mags could be ordered through the internet though. If he had taken his time and actually planned it out, he might have use the more Fashionable Mass Murder Trappings. But he didn't take that time of having to go out of the state, use a fake ID, lie about himself on the gun checks or run down a gun show and lie with a fake ID to be more "Fashionable". Compared to the other Mass Killers he was a street urchin.

Again you assume. and FYI handguns are more regulated than rifles of any kind. In most states you have to be 21 to buy a handgun and in many states you need an additional permit to do so

He walked in with one extended mag and for his .45 and yet you assume he would have had more if he had an AR. He could have certainly had more for his .45 but he didn't.

and FYI any semiautomatic rifle chambered for .223 could have been used but it wasn't.

If he wanted to use a semi auto rifle he certainly could have but he didn't so stop with the ridiculous speculation and stick to the fucking facts

You certainly are protecting your "God" of Fashion, aren't you.

No I am stating the facts you are making up stories

ANd FYI I'm an atheist

Atheist

Look it up

 

[OldLady]

Other way around. The M-16 was modeled from the AR-15 Model 601 originally purchased by many third world countries and the USAF. The Army bought it but cheapened it up a bit to save money, used their own garbage dirty powder, didn't buy the cleaning kits that is supposed to be held in the stock but added a rail for the M-203 and the ability to use a Bayonet. Then they had Colt stamp M-16 on it instead of AR-15 Model 601. Believe it or not, the AR-15 semi auto predates the M-16 by about 5 years. The AR-15 Model 601 full auto predates the M-16 by almost 10 years. Outside of only a handful of parts, both the M-16, AR-15, and the AR-15 Model 601 is identical. And all three have seen combat.

That's interesting, Daryl. Thank you.
My point was that the AR was a gun designed for combat, modified a wee bit for civilian consumption. Your post underscores that point.

IMO, we have no call to own them.

But, who are you to impose your opinion on others? Do you get upset when anti-abortion people try to impose their opinions on women? There is no difference.

This is a political message board. We share our opinions here.

Sharing opinions is one thing. Imposing your opinion is something else.

----------------------------------- yeah ,she'd IMPOSE her opinion or DICTATE her opinion using laws crafted by lefties and 'dems' . And USA police , military and other taxpayer paid government employees would enforce with threat of violence and their Guns .

Laws aren't "dictating." You got a problem with gun control, talk with your legislator, not me.

 

[pismoe]

sure laws are dictating , 'polpot' rounding up his Cambodians to send to death camps was legal in 'polpot' Cambodia . 'idi amin' eating his people was legal and lawful when he wanted something to eat OldLady . [chuckle] And both enforced their laws using 'government' paid people , military , police that used guns and threats of violence to enforce their LAWS OldLady

 

[pismoe]

That's interesting, Daryl. Thank you.
My point was that the AR was a gun designed for combat, modified a wee bit for civilian consumption. Your post underscores that point.

IMO, we have no call to own them.

But, who are you to impose your opinion on others? Do you get upset when anti-abortion people try to impose their opinions on women? There is no difference.

This is a political message board. We share our opinions here.

Sharing opinions is one thing. Imposing your opinion is something else.

----------------------------------- yeah ,she'd IMPOSE her opinion or DICTATE her opinion using laws crafted by lefties and 'dems' . And USA police , military and other taxpayer paid government employees would enforce with threat of violence and their Guns .

Laws aren't "dictating." You got a problem with gun control, talk with your legislator, not me.

--------------------------------------- i have a problem with YOU imposing your anti gun agenda on Americans as you advocate if you had the power OldLady .

 

[hunarcy]

Other way around. The M-16 was modeled from the AR-15 Model 601 originally purchased by many third world countries and the USAF. The Army bought it but cheapened it up a bit to save money, used their own garbage dirty powder, didn't buy the cleaning kits that is supposed to be held in the stock but added a rail for the M-203 and the ability to use a Bayonet. Then they had Colt stamp M-16 on it instead of AR-15 Model 601. Believe it or not, the AR-15 semi auto predates the M-16 by about 5 years. The AR-15 Model 601 full auto predates the M-16 by almost 10 years. Outside of only a handful of parts, both the M-16, AR-15, and the AR-15 Model 601 is identical. And all three have seen combat.

That's interesting, Daryl. Thank you.
My point was that the AR was a gun designed for combat, modified a wee bit for civilian consumption. Your post underscores that point.

IMO, we have no call to own them.

But, who are you to impose your opinion on others? Do you get upset when anti-abortion people try to impose their opinions on women? There is no difference.

This is a political message board. We share our opinions here.

Sharing opinions is one thing. Imposing your opinion is something else.

I said, "In my opinion," so shut up.

Wow...in my opinion, you are a reactionary tyrant-wanna be. It's my opinion.

I've never understood why some are rude to you, but it seems you have no problem being rude to others, so I guess it's a "reap what you sow" kind of thing.

 

[OldLady]

That's interesting, Daryl. Thank you.
My point was that the AR was a gun designed for combat, modified a wee bit for civilian consumption. Your post underscores that point.

IMO, we have no call to own them.

But, who are you to impose your opinion on others? Do you get upset when anti-abortion people try to impose their opinions on women? There is no difference.

This is a political message board. We share our opinions here.

Sharing opinions is one thing. Imposing your opinion is something else.

I said, "In my opinion," so shut up.

Wow...in my opinion, you are a reactionary tyrant-wanna be. It's my opinion.

I've never understood why some are rude to you, but it seems you have no problem being rude to others, so I guess it's a "reap what you sow" kind of thing.

I am rude when people are rude to me, which is what you are when you tell me that when I state my opinion that we do not need assault rifles in civilian hands, you tell me I have no right to advocate for that.

 

[pismoe]

i like when you advocate that action , it shows your 'unamerican' twist and thinking to the boards readers OldLady .