11% of black students in Chicago can read while teachers make $100,000

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

His students weren't, which is what we're talking about.

Race of students doesn't matter. Look at Ben Carson and what he achieved.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Here's the thing. Teachers CANNOT be blamed for the utter failure of K-12 education in the Inner Cities, but the educational disaster that was the Pandemic WAS THEIR FAULT. They closed down the schools and made absurd, counterproductive demands on the States.

If the teachers' unions were truly interested in EDUCATION, they would be in the forefront of the assessment of the success of individual teachers, so that the reasons for that success could be investigated and spread around more generally. But they abhor any attempt to evaluate teachers on the basis of their students' progress.

Few people resent compensating teachers generously, if the teachers' are demonstrably competent. But that is not the case, and will never be the case as long as Teachers' unions hold sway.

That depends on what state you were referring to. Many states only stayed closed a short time.

Teacher unions are not intended to be about education any more than the Teamsters care about the quality of the food products they are hauling. Why should they be any different?

That being said, prior to COVID, teacher unions mostly stayed out of the limelight because most of them cannot strike for collective bargaining, contrary to popular belief.

 

[Mashmont]

Race of students doesn't matter. Look at Ben Carson and what he achieved.

Not too many black students in those rich white neighborhoods.

You can't keep your story straight.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You can't keep your story straight.

Ben Carson did not grow up north of Chicago.

 

[San Souci]

Your stats don't prove or disprove the OP's points.

This is about specifically the achievement of black students in the Chicago Government School system.

Do your stats include honky, Asian and Hebrew kids as well?

Actually this just proves the Bell Curve.

 

[leftwinger]

And Asian countries have discipline as well as Calculus 101 in 9th grade or lower. No time wasted on WOKE BS or Global warming horsecrap.

 

[Mashmont]

Ben Carson did not grow up north of Chicago.

This guy is taking Crepitus lessons.

 

[Care4all]

Yeah, but why should the teachers there make more in that white school than the teachers in the black schools? That sounds racist, and Chicago is bluer than blue.

Much higher priced property brings in tons more in property taxes, which pays for teachers and schools....their locality voted to pay their teachers that much more, because the cost of living there is higher than most of the run down areas of the city ...is my guess?

 

[theHawk]

LOL.....They might have better luck shifting some pay from the teachers to the students.

Talk about a total cluster f**k......FUBAR teacher union culture collides with FUBAR black culture.

That said, how many here would willingly subject themselves to Chicago school students for $100k?

-now it doesn't sound like quite so much, does it?

But diversity is our strength.

 

[theHawk]

Much higher priced property brings in tons more in property taxes, which pays for teachers and schools....their locality voted to pay their teachers that much more, because the cost of living there is higher than most of the run down areas of the city ...is my guess?

Money isn’t going to solve the issue.

 

[SweetSue92]

As far as I know teachers are not eligible for Social Security. I'll never forget a retired teacher telling me many years ago (15 at least) that he was shocked by the number of increases he received to his pension, and what stood out was when he said "I don't know where this state gets the money", and that's it, the state does not have the money, that's why taxes are excessive in Illinois.

The real killer is the police and firefighter unions, they get hurt, they can start their pension early, otherwise, they can retire after 20 and get huge increases in their pensions over time. If you retire in your early 40's your pension could be massive.

And, of course, all the politicians get the same.

I get SS in Michigan when I'm of age, plus my pension, which is not at all large.

 

[SweetSue92]

Brings me back to the same issue I have with pro sports---

Why is it that in every job I have ever had, my salary was determined both by my position AND performance? All we need to do is hold school teachers and NFL players to the same standards---

Contracts based upon performance and results. Do this good, get this much. End of story.

Because your performance is based solely on what OTHER people do, and in many cases, you have no control over that.

Driver's Ed, for example. Imagine paying DE instructors less money because their former students got in accidents. They have NO control over that, and the very idea is ridiculous. Even to pay based on how many pass a driver's test is questionable. Some people are just bad drivers. Not the teacher's fault.

 

[Care4all]

Money isn’t going to solve the issue.

It won't solve the issue...but it will get them a bigger pool of teachers to choose from, to work in their area of Chicago....imo.

 

[WorldWatcher]

As far as I know teachers are not eligible for Social Security.

It varies by location.

Decades ago (1950's) the state (or in a few cases school division) opted out of Social Security, they were only allowed to opt out if they provided a system which at a minimum provided equal benefits.

Even then most places that stayed in SS created plans that included SS as part of retirement planing.

I'm Virginia and will be retiring this year with 24 years (this is my 2nd career) and I'm in the same system as teachers. My pension will be about 30% of my current salary. Combined with SS my total revenue (pension + SS) will be about 78% of current salary.

WW

 

[Mashmont]

Money isn’t going to solve the issue.

Correct. You need teachers like Jaime Escalante with fire in the bellies who are determined to change the world, and you need school administration who will let them do it. The woke PC leftist board would never allow a Jaime Escalante. Education isn't their goal. Leftist indoctrination is.

 

[Care4all]

LOL.....They might have better luck shifting some pay from the teachers to the students.

Talk about a total cluster f**k......FUBAR teacher union culture collides with FUBAR black culture.

That said, how many here would willingly subject themselves to Chicago school students for $100k?

-now it doesn't sound like quite so much, does it?

Amazing how you just believed this fake news anonymous tweet by Amuse on X cuz Elon forwarded it, without thought or reason, and took it as true... without ever even considering to verify it.

Sad, sad indeed

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This guy is taking Crepitus lessons.

You are just so confused by your religious bigotry. You always have been and always will be. Responding to my posts makes you appear even more stupid.

 

[toobfreak]

Because your performance is based solely on what OTHER people do, and in many cases, you have no control over that.

Driver's Ed, for example. Imagine paying DE instructors less money because their former students got in accidents. They have NO control over that, and the very idea is ridiculous. Even to pay based on how many pass a driver's test is questionable. Some people are just bad drivers. Not the teacher's fault.

I can understand that, Sue, so I would base teacher performance both on overall school performance and student satisfaction.