10 wounded by Israeli demolition of Palestinian buildings.

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You mean like how Irish Catholic's used IRA terrorist activities against Ulster Protestants, to get them to leave Ireland?

The Palestinians are actually put in a lot worse situation than that.

Not that I love Palestinians, either, but they are clearly the lesser of two evils.

Israel clearly stole the land from the Palestinian Arabs, the Arabs owned more land, and made up a majority of the land in the 1940's.
FACT.

YAWN..,, Here we go again . Doesn’t have the capacity to understand that the W. Bank
, E. Jerusalem and Gaza we’re OFFICIALLY parts of two Muslim Countries that initiated War with Israel
He also doesnt have the capacity to understand that in the 1920’s Jews attempted to migrate to the TERRITORY of “ Palestine “, not the Country where their religion came to fruition, Arabs objected, Great Britan put quotas on immigration but that didn’t satisfy the Arabs. Riots, death, and Violence initiated by the Arab World was part of the reason Israel was established. However, he’s too stupid to understand it

Actually, we already established Israel attacked first in the Six Day War, but you won't even admit that.

Arabs in Mandatory Palestine were the majority, and held more land than Jews, this is why Israel did in fact steal lands from them.

Actually, we already established that Egypt initiated the War by deliberately closing the Straits of Tiran with U.N. Complicity in the “ Security Force” deliberately leaving but you will not admit that.
“ Palestine “ is not a Country; It’s a territory. They were offered their own State and refused .

Then Jews started the whole conflict by declaring a Israeli state upon Arab soil.

But, you don't want to admit that, either.

Very biased, and hypocritical of you.

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

 

[member]

Originally posted by Hollie
The Hamas charter is not about justice, it’s about Islamic fascism.

Are you trying to say only people who believe in a strict separation of church-mosque and state have the right to live in their homelands?

What kind of absurd, insane concept is that?

Do you apply to America this same madness you so happily impose on Palestine?

Should evangelical christians who oppose gay rights be exiled to Mexico and gunned down if they try to return?

When are we going to see Israel applying your ideas to jewish theocrats as well?

When are we going to see Israel expelling hundreds of thousands of Orthodox Jews who would love to destroy any vestige of secularism in Israel instead of giving them automatic citizenship?

Or should the world believe islamic theocracy is facism but jewish theocracy is suddenly kosher?

Inquiring minds want to know.

"Are you trying to say only people who believe in a strict separation of church-mosque and state have the right to live in their homelands?”

whatever the case. We live in different times. here in….Brooklyn, America: Catholics, American-Italians, off-the-boat Italians, Irish, Norwegian and Jewish ……..the neighborhoods were great. Then, in the late 80’s-90’s…..the united states government/the dept of immigration & naturalization – aka Homeland Security – started letting in the scum of the earth, from the 4-corners of the earth:




-illegal moochers, gang members, criminals, etc….(mexico/and south of the border, THEIR criminals, moochers and gang members).


-russian/ukranian/polish “things.”


-islam HARD


- blacks from where boko haram lives….


- the Chinese………….



maybe we SHOULD live in our own little WORLDS..................



"What kind of absurd, insane concept is that?"



maybe it's for the better.




"Do you apply to America this same madness you so happily impose on Palestine?"


…the geniuses, our Founding Fathers – they had worked so hard on creating America – too bad the scum of the earth ran it into the ground,


.... including senator sicko.... this land, America, would just be another lawless Hispanic craphole extended from south america. And look at Mamita from mexico, etc….they all still [illegally] clamor to come here so white/non-white-americans can go to work and pay for them to be moochers and marauders.....



"Should evangelical christians who oppose gay rights be exiled to Mexico and gunned down if they try to return?"

mexico, they issue TRAVEL WARNINGS to Americans not to go there -- just saw it on the news [again] last week....mexico, where they're brutally killing Priests...kidnapping them and murdering them. mexico .....they just have good ......fruit. hopefully it will get better with the President's new deal.


Gay Rights......I for one…..[ NO personal offense] but, do I really need to see two guys or gals making out [like their plane is going down?] and which i have witnessed….uncomfortable. I'm sorry. should i FAKE how i feel about it? i guess i have to because then i'm LABELED a bigot and a racist towards...*GAYS.* ooooh....grrrr. I know there are decent folks of all *WOL* - but, it’s ok w/me that there are all GAY neighborhoods. It would be best for all parties……..(if it’s ok with you that straight people live together in their own neighborhoods too….heh)… what a delicate subject. But it is what it is…...still controversial.



- When are we going to see Israel applying your ideas to jewish theocrats as well?

- When are we going to see Israel expelling hundreds of thousands of Orthodox Jews who would love to destroy any vestige of secularism in Israel instead of giving them automatic citizenship?

- Or should the world believe islamic theocracy is facism but jewish theocracy is suddenly kosher?


islam – brrrrr. here's the latest x-ray:

​

i mean really..........[i'm not of this mindset.........thank God].

 

[P F Tinmore]

Herewegoagain, SassyIrishLass and taz are right, sobieski.

Don't try and refute this absolutely valid point they're making.

Palestinians have never wanted, don't want and will never want peace, they want justice.

Israel has killed far more Palestinians than vice versa, in the past several years.

It's truly stunning, how many people can support a people to steal someone's lands, and be brutalized for 70 years, and then cry when they fight back.

Resistance Is Justified When People Are Occupied

 

[USAF 2023]

YAWN..,, Here we go again . Doesn’t have the capacity to understand that the W. Bank
, E. Jerusalem and Gaza we’re OFFICIALLY parts of two Muslim Countries that initiated War with Israel
He also doesnt have the capacity to understand that in the 1920’s Jews attempted to migrate to the TERRITORY of “ Palestine “, not the Country where their religion came to fruition, Arabs objected, Great Britan put quotas on immigration but that didn’t satisfy the Arabs. Riots, death, and Violence initiated by the Arab World was part of the reason Israel was established. However, he’s too stupid to understand it

Actually, we already established Israel attacked first in the Six Day War, but you won't even admit that.

Arabs in Mandatory Palestine were the majority, and held more land than Jews, this is why Israel did in fact steal lands from them.

Actually, we already established that Egypt initiated the War by deliberately closing the Straits of Tiran with U.N. Complicity in the “ Security Force” deliberately leaving but you will not admit that.
“ Palestine “ is not a Country; It’s a territory. They were offered their own State and refused .

Then Jews started the whole conflict by declaring a Israeli state upon Arab soil.

But, you don't want to admit that, either.

Very biased, and hypocritical of you.

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

YAWN..,, Here we go again . Doesn’t have the capacity to understand that the W. Bank
, E. Jerusalem and Gaza we’re OFFICIALLY parts of two Muslim Countries that initiated War with Israel
He also doesnt have the capacity to understand that in the 1920’s Jews attempted to migrate to the TERRITORY of “ Palestine “, not the Country where their religion came to fruition, Arabs objected, Great Britan put quotas on immigration but that didn’t satisfy the Arabs. Riots, death, and Violence initiated by the Arab World was part of the reason Israel was established. However, he’s too stupid to understand it

Actually, we already established Israel attacked first in the Six Day War, but you won't even admit that.

Arabs in Mandatory Palestine were the majority, and held more land than Jews, this is why Israel did in fact steal lands from them.

Actually, we already established that Egypt initiated the War by deliberately closing the Straits of Tiran with U.N. Complicity in the “ Security Force” deliberately leaving but you will not admit that.
“ Palestine “ is not a Country; It’s a territory. They were offered their own State and refused .

Then Jews started the whole conflict by declaring a Israeli state upon Arab soil.

But, you don't want to admit that, either.

Very biased, and hypocritical of you.

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

You mean Arab and a Palestinian State should be Allowed but not a Jewish State? The Palestinians could have had their State a long time ago. You are too stupid to understand this

 

[P F Tinmore]

Actually, we already established Israel attacked first in the Six Day War, but you won't even admit that.

Arabs in Mandatory Palestine were the majority, and held more land than Jews, this is why Israel did in fact steal lands from them.

Actually, we already established that Egypt initiated the War by deliberately closing the Straits of Tiran with U.N. Complicity in the “ Security Force” deliberately leaving but you will not admit that.
“ Palestine “ is not a Country; It’s a territory. They were offered their own State and refused .

Then Jews started the whole conflict by declaring a Israeli state upon Arab soil.

But, you don't want to admit that, either.

Very biased, and hypocritical of you.

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

Actually, we already established Israel attacked first in the Six Day War, but you won't even admit that.

Arabs in Mandatory Palestine were the majority, and held more land than Jews, this is why Israel did in fact steal lands from them.

Actually, we already established that Egypt initiated the War by deliberately closing the Straits of Tiran with U.N. Complicity in the “ Security Force” deliberately leaving but you will not admit that.
“ Palestine “ is not a Country; It’s a territory. They were offered their own State and refused .

Then Jews started the whole conflict by declaring a Israeli state upon Arab soil.

But, you don't want to admit that, either.

Very biased, and hypocritical of you.

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

You mean Arab and a Palestinian State should be Allowed but not a Jewish State? The Palestinians could have had their State a long time ago. You are too stupid to understand this

In 1948 The Palestinians declared independence on their own land inside their own international borders.

Let me know when Israel does that.

 

[Hollie]

Herewegoagain, SassyIrishLass and taz are right, sobieski.

Don't try and refute this absolutely valid point they're making.

Palestinians have never wanted, don't want and will never want peace, they want justice.

Israel has killed far more Palestinians than vice versa, in the past several years.

It's truly stunning, how many people can support a people to steal someone's lands, and be brutalized for 70 years, and then cry when they fight back.

Resistance Is Justified When People Are Occupied

Resistant is justified in the face of Islamic terrorism

 

[P F Tinmore]

Herewegoagain, SassyIrishLass and taz are right, sobieski.

Don't try and refute this absolutely valid point they're making.

Palestinians have never wanted, don't want and will never want peace, they want justice.

Israel has killed far more Palestinians than vice versa, in the past several years.

It's truly stunning, how many people can support a people to steal someone's lands, and be brutalized for 70 years, and then cry when they fight back.

Resistance Is Justified When People Are Occupied

Resistant is justified in the face of Islamic terrorism

Ahh, Israel's old terrorist canard again.

 

[Hollie]

Actually, we already established that Egypt initiated the War by deliberately closing the Straits of Tiran with U.N. Complicity in the “ Security Force” deliberately leaving but you will not admit that.
“ Palestine “ is not a Country; It’s a territory. They were offered their own State and refused .

Then Jews started the whole conflict by declaring a Israeli state upon Arab soil.

But, you don't want to admit that, either.

Very biased, and hypocritical of you.

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

Actually, we already established that Egypt initiated the War by deliberately closing the Straits of Tiran with U.N. Complicity in the “ Security Force” deliberately leaving but you will not admit that.
“ Palestine “ is not a Country; It’s a territory. They were offered their own State and refused .

Then Jews started the whole conflict by declaring a Israeli state upon Arab soil.

But, you don't want to admit that, either.

Very biased, and hypocritical of you.

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

You mean Arab and a Palestinian State should be Allowed but not a Jewish State? The Palestinians could have had their State a long time ago. You are too stupid to understand this

In 1948 The Palestinians declared independence on their own land inside their own international borders.

Let me know when Israel does that.

The combined arab-Islamist armies attempting to destroy Israel (and suffering a humiliating defeat), is not a declaraing independence.

 

[Hollie]

Herewegoagain, SassyIrishLass and taz are right, sobieski.

Don't try and refute this absolutely valid point they're making.

Palestinians have never wanted, don't want and will never want peace, they want justice.

Israel has killed far more Palestinians than vice versa, in the past several years.

It's truly stunning, how many people can support a people to steal someone's lands, and be brutalized for 70 years, and then cry when they fight back.

Resistance Is Justified When People Are Occupied

Resistant is justified in the face of Islamic terrorism

Ahh, Israel's old terrorist canard again.

Ahh, the old Islamist tactic of declaring defeat.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Herewegoagain, SassyIrishLass and taz are right, sobieski.

Don't try and refute this absolutely valid point they're making.

Palestinians have never wanted, don't want and will never want peace, they want justice.

Israel has killed far more Palestinians than vice versa, in the past several years.

It's truly stunning, how many people can support a people to steal someone's lands, and be brutalized for 70 years, and then cry when they fight back.

Resistance Is Justified When People Are Occupied

Resistant is justified in the face of Islamic terrorism

Ahh, Israel's old terrorist canard again.

Ahh, the old Islamist tactic of declaring defeat.

What defeat?

 

[Hollie]

YAWN..,, Here we go again . Doesn’t have the capacity to understand that the W. Bank
, E. Jerusalem and Gaza we’re OFFICIALLY parts of two Muslim Countries that initiated War with Israel
He also doesnt have the capacity to understand that in the 1920’s Jews attempted to migrate to the TERRITORY of “ Palestine “, not the Country where their religion came to fruition, Arabs objected, Great Britan put quotas on immigration but that didn’t satisfy the Arabs. Riots, death, and Violence initiated by the Arab World was part of the reason Israel was established. However, he’s too stupid to understand it

Actually, we already established Israel attacked first in the Six Day War, but you won't even admit that.

Arabs in Mandatory Palestine were the majority, and held more land than Jews, this is why Israel did in fact steal lands from them.

Actually, we already established that Egypt initiated the War by deliberately closing the Straits of Tiran with U.N. Complicity in the “ Security Force” deliberately leaving but you will not admit that.
“ Palestine “ is not a Country; It’s a territory. They were offered their own State and refused .

Then Jews started the whole conflict by declaring a Israeli state upon Arab soil.

But, you don't want to admit that, either.

Very biased, and hypocritical of you.

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

Everything provokes Arabs. They’re the most provokable people on the planet.

 

[Hollie]

Israel has killed far more Palestinians than vice versa, in the past several years.

It's truly stunning, how many people can support a people to steal someone's lands, and be brutalized for 70 years, and then cry when they fight back.

Resistance Is Justified When People Are Occupied

Resistant is justified in the face of Islamic terrorism

Ahh, Israel's old terrorist canard again.

Ahh, the old Islamist tactic of declaring defeat.

What defeat?

The defeat. Your declaration.

It’s always the same.

 

[USAF 2023]

Actually, we already established that Egypt initiated the War by deliberately closing the Straits of Tiran with U.N. Complicity in the “ Security Force” deliberately leaving but you will not admit that.
“ Palestine “ is not a Country; It’s a territory. They were offered their own State and refused .

Then Jews started the whole conflict by declaring a Israeli state upon Arab soil.

But, you don't want to admit that, either.

Very biased, and hypocritical of you.

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

Actually, we already established that Egypt initiated the War by deliberately closing the Straits of Tiran with U.N. Complicity in the “ Security Force” deliberately leaving but you will not admit that.
“ Palestine “ is not a Country; It’s a territory. They were offered their own State and refused .

Then Jews started the whole conflict by declaring a Israeli state upon Arab soil.

But, you don't want to admit that, either.

Very biased, and hypocritical of you.

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

You mean Arab and a Palestinian State should be Allowed but not a Jewish State? The Palestinians could have had their State a long time ago. You are too stupid to understand this

In 1948 The Palestinians declared independence on their own land inside their own international borders.

Let me know when Israel does that.

You mean those “ fake borders” you keep alluding to; the ones that were never recognized either in ‘48 or ‘67?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Then Jews started the whole conflict by declaring a Israeli state upon Arab soil.

But, you don't want to admit that, either.

Very biased, and hypocritical of you.

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

Then Jews started the whole conflict by declaring a Israeli state upon Arab soil.

But, you don't want to admit that, either.

Very biased, and hypocritical of you.

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

You mean Arab and a Palestinian State should be Allowed but not a Jewish State? The Palestinians could have had their State a long time ago. You are too stupid to understand this

In 1948 The Palestinians declared independence on their own land inside their own international borders.

Let me know when Israel does that.

You mean those “ fake borders” you keep alluding to; the ones that were never recognized either in ‘48 or ‘67?

No, the actual real Palestinian international borders. The ones mentioned in the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements.

Israel is the one using fake borders.

 

[Shusha]

In 1948 The Palestinians declared independence on their own land inside their own international borders.

Let me know when Israel does that.

Oh, give me a break. The 1948 declaration of independence by the All-Palestine government was a short-lived, impotent, puppet for Egypt which had no sovereignty over any territory and didn't last out the year they were "declared". You can "declare" anything you want, but if you don't, in fact, control any territory, the declaration is meaningless. And so much more so when you have NO LEGAL RIGHT to the territory upon which you "declare".

Once again, the criteria for a State (declarative theory) are:

1. a defined territory (and please, it doesn't have to be "perfectly" defined. Territorial disputes are normal and there are dozens of examples throughout the world, and these do not impair sovereignty of a State. And anything you use which can support the "defined territory" of Palestine can equally and MORE define the territory of Israel. And further, the State has to demonstrate some sort of sovereignty over said territory.)

2. a permanent population

3. a government (no government = no State. Good-bye to your claims that the All-Palestine Government remains a valid "declaration".

4. the capacity to enter into relations with other states.

Between 1948 and the mid-1990s, definitively, and right up until the present day, arguably, "Palestine" did not meet that criteria. Israel did.

We all know that Israel declared independence and we all know what her international borders are according to international law. Israel's declaration of independence and Israel's existence as a State is not in dispute. And trying to dispute it makes you look foolish.

 

[Shusha]

No, the actual real Palestinian international borders. The ones mentioned in the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements.

You mean the Armistice Agreements between Israel, Jordan and Egypt? The ones where the only Parties to the Agreements were those three STATES?! The ones where your All-Palestine Government is mysteriously absent? Those Armistice Agreements?

 

[Shusha]

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state ...

Wait, what?! Declaring a state is a provocation?!

 

[Hollie]

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

So the Jews started the 67 War by just existing? In your “ mind” that justifies Egypt’s aggression?

Israel provoked Arabs by declaring a Jewish state, and rightfully so considering the after-math, and oppression.

You mean Arab and a Palestinian State should be Allowed but not a Jewish State? The Palestinians could have had their State a long time ago. You are too stupid to understand this

In 1948 The Palestinians declared independence on their own land inside their own international borders.

Let me know when Israel does that.

You mean those “ fake borders” you keep alluding to; the ones that were never recognized either in ‘48 or ‘67?

No, the actual real Palestinian international borders. The ones mentioned in the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements.

Israel is the one using fake borders.

I see that you have abandoned your earlier attempts to re-write history and demanded that your invented “country of Pal’istan” was created by the Treaty of Lausanne. Now you're on to a newer re-writing of history.

 

[Shusha]

Well, it's no wonder why people might react, in response to destroying people's homes.

Hey. Lawless people might react to all sorts of things if they don't like following the law. They might even choose to respond with violent riots. The consequences of those decisions are on them, though.

(And to be clear about my position -- I think Israel should give building permits out like candy to those Arabs in Area C who choose to become Israeli citizens on land which Israel intends to annex. Not just building permits -- but infrastructure and goodies galore. But if there is even a breath of treason against Israel they should be dumped into Area A as fast as someone can drive a bus there.)

 

[Shusha]

Why are expulsions a "Good start"?

Again with the lies. No one is being expelled. Buildings constructed without a permit are being demolished.