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1.Socialists believe in the use of force to gain their personal ends. Whether it's light bulbs or alternative energy or public schools or national health care, in the end there's always a gun at your head to get you to conform. If a man holds you up in the street, does it matter if he wants the money for drugs or to bail out someone's mortgage? It's still a gun, and it's still armed robbery.
2.Socialists believe in slavery. Their concept is not the slavery of an individual owning another individual, but of a state owning the output of the individual. We are now forced to work four months out of the year for the federal government before we see a dime of our own income, and it's getting worse. Our new administrtion has just indebted every family an additional $11,000 without our permission or approval. This is economic slavery. (If you don't believe me, watch what happens if you don't pay your taxes. See No. 1 above.)
3.Socialists are racists. The content of the character doesn't matter; it's all about the color of the skin. Read the e-mail I received in response to last week's column, in which the writer somehow made the extraordinary leap in logic from my premise of government fiscal irresponsibility to William Byrd whipping slaves three centuries ago. Yes, Byrd was a nasty man. But what on earth did that have to do with the topic of my column? This illustrates that socialists will always bring up the subject of race, regardless of the prevailing drift of the conversation.
Most people tend to look at the content of peoples' character rather than the color of their skin. If someone is honest, hardworking and decent, then who cares what he looks like? But if they're angry, abusive and violent then sorry, the content of their character is demonstrating that they're not people to associate with, regardless of skin color. Conservatives true conservatives really don't give a diddly darn about someone's melanin content. As columnist Burt Prelutsky put it, " most white Americans don't spend a lot of time dwelling on anyone's race. They're much too busy trying to make a living and raise their kids."
4.Socialists believe the worst in everyone. They believe that we are all racists, therefore racism must be shoved in our faces constantly. They believe we are stingy, so we must have our money forcibly removed and redistributed to others. They believe we are heartless and that the only source of compassion is the government, so compassion becomes government-mandated.
5.Socialists think religion, especially Christianity, is stupid and nothing but a prop for the unwashed masses. Why else would they forbid expressions of faith anywhere except (grudgingly) within the walls of a church? Religious people are seen as uneducated, primitive, bitterly-clinging troglodytes.
6.Socialists believe in an ignorant society. How else can we explain their slavish devotion to a public school system that is so dumbed down that students can't read their own diplomas? Socialists know an ignorant society is good. Useful idiots are more amenable to dominance than citizens who have read and understood the documents of the Founding Fathers.
7.Socialists believe you have no right of self-defense. They don't even want you to talk about it in a school assignment. They pretend to have utter faith that government agents can protect you from any and all harm. In reality, it's the government agents that are among our biggest threats. What socialists are really concerned about is your ability to defend yourself against them.
8.Socialists are intolerant. If you have a dissenting opinion, you are mocked and ridiculed for having the temerity to disagree. Socialists do not believe in freedom of speech or they wouldn't be concerned about Rush Limbaugh or what ministers say from the pulpit.
9.Socialists are hypocrites. They expect the unwashed masses to conform to their ideals while they, the lofty and elite, are exempt. How else can you explain Al Gore's energy-sucking mansion? How else can they claim conservative talk radio or Internet news is too powerful when socialists dominate the newspaper and television media?
10.Above all, socialists are in denial. No matter how much you point out the obvious that the government is fulfilling the dictionary definition of socialism they flat deny it. If you point out the horrors of socialized medicine, for example, a socialist will say "But this time it will be different." Socialists are unconcerned that the government holds 40 percent of Citibank and over 80 percent of AIG. Nancy Pelosi assures us that government takeovers of banks should be "transitional" but not permanent, and Steny Hoyer hesitates "to use the word nationalization." You'll notice they don't deny it's a government takeover. They merely refuse to call a duck a duck. Quack quack.
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Total and utter bullshit. This person has no idea whatsoever what he/she's talking about. The whole world is cracking up at Americans' use of the word 'socialism' and 'socialist' (especially in connection with Obama and his policies) because it proves how ignorant you are of those terms.
I wouldn't mind the arguments being put against "socialism" if the arguments actually addressed socialism. What they are doing is attacking a straw man of someone else's creation. Socialism, like any other politico-economic system deserves to be critiqued. It's an idea that is about the same age as capitalism and it has been implemented in various forms since the idea first took root in human thought. Sometimes it's worked, sometimes it's been a disaster, for various reasons. It seems to me that apart from the ideologues who demand a pure 100% version of either socialism or laissez-faire capitalism that most of us understand the mix is important. But you can still be a socialist or a capitalist if you support the mix, the discussion would at least be on point then.
What qualifications do these democrat assholes posses that gives them the ability to "enforce" equality ? Because socialist loving pussies like you vote for them ?
P.S. There is another term for "enforcing equality", it's called oppression ......
Oppression is the enforcement of the self-evident truth that all men are created equal, and possess inalienable rights?
Is that what this administration and the current democrat congress is doing ?
Oppression is the enforcement of the self-evident truth that all men are created equal, and possess inalienable rights?
Is that what this administration and the current democrat congress is doing ?
It makes one wonder what the thought process actually was to come up with that one...
Is that what this administration and the current democrat congress is doing ?
It makes one wonder what the thought process actually was to come up with that one...
I doubt it was a thought process....more likely just the spewing of the garbage learned in our socialist propaganda schools these days.....learning about equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity....and being taught the UN list of "human rights" which become confused with American inalienable rights....
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." --Declaration of Independence as originally written by Thomas Jefferson, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315
It makes one wonder what the thought process actually was to come up with that one...
I doubt it was a thought process....more likely just the spewing of the garbage learned in our socialist propaganda schools these days.....learning about equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity....and being taught the UN list of "human rights" which become confused with American inalienable rights....
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." --Declaration of Independence as originally written by Thomas Jefferson, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315
He left out life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, shocker.......
Is that what this administration and the current democrat congress is doing ?
It makes one wonder what the thought process actually was to come up with that one...
I doubt it was a thought process....more likely just the spewing of the garbage learned in our socialist propaganda schools these days.....learning about equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity....and being taught the UN list of "human rights" which become confused with American inalienable rights....
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." --Declaration of Independence as originally written by Thomas Jefferson, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315
What qualifications do these democrat assholes posses that gives them the ability to "enforce" equality ? Because socialist loving pussies like you vote for them ?
P.S. There is another term for "enforcing equality", it's called oppression ......
Oppression is the enforcement of the self-evident truth that all men are created equal, and possess inalienable rights?
At the point of a Gun? You will buy healthcare lest you pay a penality or go to jail?
You WILL pay for this for 4 years before you can avail yourself of it?
You are twisted. You know damned well what the Founders meant. But you applaud the oppressors.
Why?
I wouldn't mind the arguments being put against "socialism" if the arguments actually addressed socialism. What they are doing is attacking a straw man of someone else's creation. Socialism, like any other politico-economic system deserves to be critiqued. It's an idea that is about the same age as capitalism and it has been implemented in various forms since the idea first took root in human thought. Sometimes it's worked, sometimes it's been a disaster, for various reasons. It seems to me that apart from the ideologues who demand a pure 100% version of either socialism or laissez-faire capitalism that most of us understand the mix is important. But you can still be a socialist or a capitalist if you support the mix, the discussion would at least be on point then.
The 10 traits of socialism listed DO address socialism.....how do they not...?
They are traits....not some esoteric discussion on economic socialism....perhaps you find the attack on socialism by Americans....especially since the passing of healthcare.... to be surprising to you since you and your country down under are already well-steeped in democratic socialism....
Yes....America is currently a mix of socialism and capitalism.....yet increasingly socialist under Obama.....but this is why I ask the liberals here what % they think they would like to donate out of their paycheck to the State.....nobody seems willing to give an honest answer....frankly i don't think any of them would like to give up one additional red cent of their hard-earned money.....but they are going to if we keep heading deeper into socialism....
Oppression is the enforcement of the self-evident truth that all men are created equal, and possess inalienable rights?
At the point of a Gun? You will buy healthcare lest you pay a penality or go to jail?
You WILL pay for this for 4 years before you can avail yourself of it?
You are twisted. You know damned well what the Founders meant. But you applaud the oppressors.
Why?
What makes you...or anyone for that matter....think you know what the Founders meant? Seems to me political extremes are hell bent on claiming to know what the Founders meant or think or feel about goings on now.
Fact is - you were born some two and half centuries (give or take a few decades) after the main event. I don't think anyone has the right to claim they know what the founders meant when it comes to modern events.
How's 'Marxist' strike you?
In connection with Obama? It strikes me as idiotic as 'socialist.' Also, the entire debate to me is highly soporific as it is led w/o exception by a bunch of good-for-nothing dullards whose unhealthy obsession with and hatred of Obama has cost them their connection with reality. It is perfectly fine to oppose something - sensibly and rationally - but it becomes a hysterical freak-show that intelligent people simply can't take seriously when somebody starts making connections and comparisons between totally unrelated things. That means the persons in question are 'losing their shit' and are 'running out of sensible and logical arguments.' That was the case even with folks comparing Bush to Hitler. They might have had 'a point' somewhere, but they immediately forfeited it by making such ridiculous comparison.
So yeah, that's my take on the whole thing.
*yawn*
*YAWN* all you like as your liberties are taken from you piecemeal.
Totally lame
Do you really have any idea of what socialism is? We could easily substitute the word "Republican" for "Socialist" and be just as accurate
1. Republicans believe in use of force to gain their personal ends
2. Republicans believe in slavery
3. Republicans are racist
need more??
Nice but decidedly not true.
Republicans fought a war to eliminate slavery.
Republicans do not believe in the use of force for personal ends. In fact, they want limits on government power, period.
So thanks, but your silly talking points are flat.
Totally lame
Do you really have any idea of what socialism is? We could easily substitute the word "Republican" for "Socialist" and be just as accurate
1. Republicans believe in use of force to gain their personal ends
2. Republicans believe in slavery
3. Republicans are racist
need more??
Nice but decidedly not true.
Republicans fought a war to eliminate slavery.
Republicans do not believe in the use of force for personal ends. In fact, they want limits on government power, period.
So thanks, but your silly talking points are flat.
patriot act?
fisa upgrades to allow warrantless wiretapping?
do i need to say more?
I wouldn't mind the arguments being put against "socialism" if the arguments actually addressed socialism. What they are doing is attacking a straw man of someone else's creation. Socialism, like any other politico-economic system deserves to be critiqued. It's an idea that is about the same age as capitalism and it has been implemented in various forms since the idea first took root in human thought. Sometimes it's worked, sometimes it's been a disaster, for various reasons. It seems to me that apart from the ideologues who demand a pure 100% version of either socialism or laissez-faire capitalism that most of us understand the mix is important. But you can still be a socialist or a capitalist if you support the mix, the discussion would at least be on point then.
The 10 traits of socialism listed DO address socialism.....how do they not...?
They are traits....not some esoteric discussion on economic socialism....perhaps you find the attack on socialism by Americans....especially since the passing of healthcare.... to be surprising to you since you and your country down under are already well-steeped in democratic socialism....
Yes....America is currently a mix of socialism and capitalism.....yet increasingly socialist under Obama.....but this is why I ask the liberals here what % they think they would like to donate out of their paycheck to the State.....nobody seems willing to give an honest answer....frankly i don't think any of them would like to give up one additional red cent of their hard-earned money.....but they are going to if we keep heading deeper into socialism....
The word socialism is code for anything that the ruling elites in your country don't like. If it was called the public good it wouldn't attract as much opposition. There's nothing esoteric about the idea, it's where the means of production are owned and controlled by society and not by groups of private individuals, that's my working definition, esoteric notions apart from that are for someone else, not me. My country has a tradition of building the public good and we're better for it. I realise that what I'm seeing is an exploration of traditional American values but I think I'm also seeing a gut reaction to the sort of social change that means the traditional values will have to give way to new values that serve your society better. The elites have done well from their ability to appeal to traditional values which have meant they have been able to exploit non-elites but the cracks are starting to appear. All I would ask is that people think about the issues rather than throw labels around and that goes for all of us.
Totally lame
Do you really have any idea of what socialism is? We could easily substitute the word "Republican" for "Socialist" and be just as accurate
1. Republicans believe in use of force to gain their personal ends
2. Republicans believe in slavery
3. Republicans are racist
need more??
Nice but decidedly not true.
Republicans fought a war to eliminate slavery.
Republicans do not believe in the use of force for personal ends. In fact, they want limits on government power, period.
So thanks, but your silly talking points are flat.
Republicans believe in slavery of the worker. They have fought against labor unions to protect management, they have fought minimum wage laws, fought workplace safety, fought equal pay for equal work
Use of force for personal ends....why are we in Iraq?
Nice but decidedly not true.
Republicans fought a war to eliminate slavery.
Republicans do not believe in the use of force for personal ends. In fact, they want limits on government power, period.
So thanks, but your silly talking points are flat.
patriot act?
fisa upgrades to allow warrantless wiretapping?
do i need to say more?
Which this administration of course, put a stop too immediately.
Oh......
Shit.........
Nevermind ..........
The 10 traits of socialism listed DO address socialism.....how do they not...?
They are traits....not some esoteric discussion on economic socialism....perhaps you find the attack on socialism by Americans....especially since the passing of healthcare.... to be surprising to you since you and your country down under are already well-steeped in democratic socialism....
Yes....America is currently a mix of socialism and capitalism.....yet increasingly socialist under Obama.....but this is why I ask the liberals here what % they think they would like to donate out of their paycheck to the State.....nobody seems willing to give an honest answer....frankly i don't think any of them would like to give up one additional red cent of their hard-earned money.....but they are going to if we keep heading deeper into socialism....
The word “socialism” is code for anything that the ruling elites in your country don't like. If it was called “the public good” it wouldn't attract as much opposition. There's nothing esoteric about the idea, it's where the means of production are owned and controlled by society and not by groups of private individuals, that's my working definition, esoteric notions apart from that are for someone else, not me. My country has a tradition of building the public good and we're better for it. I realise that what I'm seeing is an exploration of traditional American values but I think I'm also seeing a gut reaction to the sort of social change that means the traditional values will have to give way to new values that serve your society better. The elites have done well from their ability to appeal to traditional values which have meant they have been able to exploit non-elites but the cracks are starting to appear. All I would ask is that people think about the issues rather than throw labels around – and that goes for all of us.
The word socialism has real meaning to Americans...it's not just a "code" word....and don't think we would be fooled by using the words "public good" either.... most of us Americans prefer freedom to the bondage of socialism...
Coming from a socialist country you probably don't really understand the negative gut reaction that so many Americans are having to socialist events like the government take-over of GM where Obama fires the CEO and has a "pay-czar" review company bonuses, or the recent passing of national healthcare where the government is mandating that you buy some or go to jail...these are things that are quite alarming to us...
Traditional values here are closely tied with our Constitution and our Christian religion. Capitalism is the free market system that does well with these...not socialism...we have no desire to let go of our traditional laws and values...
Capitalism is the system where there is little or no force telling you what to do....that is real freedom which Americans have enjoyed and why America is so amazing....
The 10 traits of socialism listed DO address socialism.....how do they not...?
They are traits....not some esoteric discussion on economic socialism....perhaps you find the attack on socialism by Americans....especially since the passing of healthcare.... to be surprising to you since you and your country down under are already well-steeped in democratic socialism....
Yes....America is currently a mix of socialism and capitalism.....yet increasingly socialist under Obama.....but this is why I ask the liberals here what % they think they would like to donate out of their paycheck to the State.....nobody seems willing to give an honest answer....frankly i don't think any of them would like to give up one additional red cent of their hard-earned money.....but they are going to if we keep heading deeper into socialism....
The word “socialism” is code for anything that the ruling elites in your country don't like. If it was called “the public good” it wouldn't attract as much opposition. There's nothing esoteric about the idea, it's where the means of production are owned and controlled by society and not by groups of private individuals, that's my working definition, esoteric notions apart from that are for someone else, not me. My country has a tradition of building the public good and we're better for it. I realise that what I'm seeing is an exploration of traditional American values but I think I'm also seeing a gut reaction to the sort of social change that means the traditional values will have to give way to new values that serve your society better. The elites have done well from their ability to appeal to traditional values which have meant they have been able to exploit non-elites but the cracks are starting to appear. All I would ask is that people think about the issues rather than throw labels around – and that goes for all of us.
The word socialism has real meaning to Americans...it's not just a "code" word....and don't think we would be fooled by using the words "public good" either.... most of us Americans prefer freedom to the bondage of socialism...
Coming from a socialist country you probably don't really understand the negative gut reaction that so many Americans are having to socialist events like the government take-over of GM where Obama fires the CEO and has a "pay-czar" review company bonuses, or the recent passing of national healthcare where the government is mandating that you buy some or go to jail...these are things that are quite alarming to us...
Traditional values here are closely tied with our Constitution and our Christian religion. Capitalism is the free market system that does well with these...not socialism...we have no desire to let go of our traditional laws and values...
Capitalism is the system where there is little or no force telling you what to do....that is real freedom which Americans have enjoyed and why America is so amazing....
Nice but decidedly not true.
Republicans fought a war to eliminate slavery.
Republicans do not believe in the use of force for personal ends. In fact, they want limits on government power, period.
So thanks, but your silly talking points are flat.
Republicans believe in slavery of the worker. They have fought against labor unions to protect management, they have fought minimum wage laws, fought workplace safety, fought equal pay for equal work
Use of force for personal ends....why are we in Iraq?
The reason the Repubs are against unions is because of the damage they do to each state. The facts are, that the states in the worse budget crisis are union heavy.
Political Litmus Test: Bluest States Spilling The Most Red Ink - Forbes.com
