10 Reasons Why UFOs Are No Longer a Conspiracy Theory

[Indeependent]

And nothing that confirms it.

I do, however, believe that The Universe is bursting with life, intelligent or otherwise. What I don't believe is that alien life with technology just a century or so ahead of ours regularly visit Earth to give anal probes to rednecks.

Do you know this particular Redneck?

 

[Stryder50]

Okay, I'm going to try to take this seriously.

The problem with the UFO phenomenon is that we see what Hollywood tells us we should see.

In the 1950's, everyone saw the Space Brothers, human like aliens (who were almost always white people) met "contactees" to bring us messages of peace from space. Not a big surprise, that's what Hollywood Science Fiction in the 1950's told us we were going to see, from "The Day the Earth Stood Still" to "Plan Nine from Outer Space".

By the 1970's, though, our images had changed. The first sighting of a Gray in popular media was "An interrupted Journey" which retold the story of Betty and Barney Hill (who claimed to be kidnapped by aliens in 1961). Except, of course, the Hill's didn't describe "grays", they described human looking aliens with "Jimmy Durante noses". (For millennials, Jimmy Durante was a comedian noted for having a bizarely shaped nose.)

Their rudimentary drawings, however, were used as the basis for the aliens in the TV movie. This was followed up by Steven Spielberg and his Close Encounters of the Third Kind. That cemented the image of the Gray in the American Consciousness. (Europeans, on the other hand, continue to be visited by human-looking aliens while South Americans are beset by hairy dwarves.)

Now, I am sure people are seeing UFO, but 99% of them are misidentifications of conventional objects, or outright hoaxes by people trying to get attention.

Having grown up in the 1950-60s I recall a lot more movies and messaging coming out of "Hollywood" about "aliens" in there "flying saucers" here to attack and invade Earth rather than be "friendly big brother spiritual advisers". Made for much more dramatic and exciting entertainment.

Anyone whom has studied the technology levels, even the advanced R&D that was discovered in late 1945, will see that early 1947 explanations of sightings like Arnold's won't be devices of such "captured tech". Any such advanced aerial craft, had they existed, would have been tested in remote and sparsely populated areas such as the Nevada deserts later to be know as Area 51/Groom Lake/"Skunk Works"/Etc.

As it develops, sightings of UFOs/UAPs occurred during WWII in form of the "foo-fighters" and it seems during the centuries to millennia prior as well.
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The term "foo fighter" was used by Allied aircraft pilots during World War II to describe various UFOs or mysterious aerial phenomena seen in the skies over both the European and Pacific theaters of operations.

Though "foo fighter" initially described a type of UFO reported and named by the U.S. 415th Night Fighter Squadron, the term was also commonly used to mean any UFO sighting from that period.[1] Formally reported from November 1944 onwards, foo fighters were presumed by witnesses to be secret weapons employed by the enemy.

The Robertson Panel explored possible explanations, for instance that they were electrostatic phenomena similar to St. Elmo's fire, electromagnetic phenomena, or simply reflections of light from ice crystals.[2]
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Foo fighter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Rogue AI]

One needs fire to melt metal to make advanced technologies. Not likely to happen if living under water all the time.

Plenty of heat available, under the ocean floor near vents. It would take some time to figure it out, but doable.

 

[Stryder50]

Jacques Vallée Still Doesn’t Know What UFOs Are​

After six globe-trotting decades spent probing “the phenomenon,” the French information scientist is sure of only one thing: The truth is really, really out there.
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Jacques Vallée Still Doesnât Know What UFOs Are

After six globe-trotting decades spent probing “the phenomenon,” the French information scientist is sure of only one thing: The truth is really, really out there.

www.wired.com

On the likely prospect that many to most failed to click the link and learn more about Jacques Valle'e, some select excerpts follow:
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On a cold Saturday night in late 1977, firefighters and police had responded to calls about a roundish, reddish object with blinking lights that hovered above the treetops in a public park, then dumped a bright mass onto the ground. When investigators arrived on the scene, they found a 4- by 6-foot puddle of metal, molten like lava, that lit the surrounding grass on fire before cooling. All told, 11 people from four separate groups gave similar accounts of the incident.

A piece of this puddle was now sitting a few inches from Platzer’s plate. The mystery, Vallée said, was where the material came from originally. Metallurgical analyses at the time showed that it consisted mostly of iron, with traces of carbon, titanium, and other elements—basically, steel alloy scrambled to what looked like cast iron. It couldn’t be satellite debris or equipment falling from a plane, Vallée pointed out; those wouldn’t have gotten hot enough to melt, and they would have cratered the ground. Nor, for the same reasons, could it be a meteorite. And there wasn’t enough nickel for a meteorite anyway.

Could a hoaxer have poured the metal in place? Unlikely, Vallée said. That would have required an industrial furnace, plus some way of transporting the molten material. A canvassing of the local metal businesses had turned up nothing. Thermite was a possibility; it burns hot enough to melt steel and wouldn’t produce a crater. But to create the cast-iron-like material that Platzer saw before him, the perpetrator would have had to douse the puddle in water, and the water would have frozen, and there was no ice on the scene.

Vallée thought the metal deserved a look with the latest technology. This was where the third man at the table came in.
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Platzer was not the sort you’d expect to attend a lunch about UFOs. He made his bones working on the Saturn V rocket, the launch vehicle that conveyed humans to the moon, and he taught for three decades at the Naval Postgraduate School. But he had made inquiries into these two men. Nolan’s reputation was “impeccable,” he told me later, and Vallée’s was “outstanding.”

Vallée, who is 82 now, has celestite eyes, a strong nose, and a head of sterling hair that seems to riff on tinfoil hats. Beneath the rare hair is a rarer mind. His recollections from a six-decade career as a scientist and technologist include helping NASA map Mars; creating the first electronic database for heart-transplant patients; working on Arpanet, the internet’s ancestor; developing networking software that was adopted by the British Library, the US National Security Agency, and 72 nuclear power plants around the world; and guiding more than a hundred million dollars in high tech investment as a venture capitalist.
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Vallée has written 12 books on what he and others call “the phenomenon,” the range of surreal experiences that includes UFO encounters. He considers the work a hobby and shrinks from the pseudo-archeologists, credentialed grifters, and conspiracy bros who tend to populate the field. There are beaucoup de bozos in this clown car, and Vallée is a cautious driver. As he sees it, the phenomenon represents both a scientific and a social frontier. When you study it, you must harness numbers, databases, pattern-hunting algorithms—but you must also have an ethnographic streak, an interest in how culture molds understanding. You have to endeavor, in other words, to weigh both hard and soft data, despite the modern scenario “where the physics department is at one end of the campus and the psychology department at the other end.”

Vallée’s papers, entrusted to Rice University, will ultimately include files on some 500 anomalous events that he has personally investigated, from the abduction of Betty and Barney Hill on US Route 3 to a landing that paralyzed a farmer in a Provençal lavender crop. Yet he likes to joke that he is the only ufologist who does not know what UFOs are. He doubts that they are interstellar SUVs—would be disappointed if they were. The truth, he believes, is almost surely freakier than that, more baffling, and more revealing of the nature of the universe. This is why, long ago, when Steven Spielberg consulted him for Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Vallée pushed against the final scene, in which the aliens emerge from their spaceship. Too proscriptive, he thought. Spielberg memorialized Vallée as the film’s French scientist character, played by François Truffaut, but he went with the meet-and-greet ending. It appears to have been what the public wanted: Close Encounters beat out Star Wars at the box office just days after the Council Bluffs incident.

Platzer considered himself neutral on the subject of UFOs. “One has to be very careful in saying that certain things are impossible, because they became possible,” he told me. Think of, you know, the airplane. Reputable science journals like his had always avoided the subject, in a tacit, shared embargo that extends to subjects like flat-Earth doctrine. But Platzer felt that solid experimentation was in order. He agreed to publish Nolan and Vallée’s research if it passed peer review. “It’s time,” he said.
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Perfect little French nerds weren’t, of course, the only types applying themselves to the UFO question in the ’50s. In the US, the Air Force had set up a public study called Project Blue Book. In Switzerland, the psychiatrist Carl Jung was finding himself “puzzled to death” by flying saucers. In his book on the subject, he likened UFOs to a “technological angel” or a “physicists’ miracle.” They were shaped like mandalas, he wrote, and seemed to have a similar effect on our psyche—a “symbol of wholeness” that appears in “situations of psychic confusion and perplexity.”

Vallée went to the Sorbonne to study math. One day, in a Paris department store, he picked up a book called Mystérieux Objets Célestes, by the philosopher Aimé Michel. In ufology at the time, the vogue was for nonfiction that borrowed from pulp’s plots about civilizations on Venus and Mars; against it, Célestes put forward the field’s first testable hypothesis. According to Michel, if you charted all those 1954 sightings on a map, you’d find that they made straight lines crisscrossing the country. He called the pattern “orthoteny.”

Vallée, thrilled to see a proper theory, sent the author a letter. The teenager questioned whether humans could communicate with these hidden intelligences, which Michel had termed “X.” In his reply, Michel said that he did not have much hope of that. He reminded Vallée that witnesses had seen craft appear out of thin air and shape-shift in split seconds. How could one make sense of visions like that? “Don’t be fooled by the idea of ‘getting to the bottom of things,’” he urged. “That’s only a mirage.” Vallée should instead cultivate his mind as if it were a flower—though he should also remember that “the poppy is a flower” and not get lost in any intoxicating notions.

The advice landed. Vallée began writing a novel called Le Sub-espace, about a team of scientists who flee a world war on Earth, get set up in a lab on the dark side of the moon, and build a machine that allows them to explore alternate realities while dodging “hallucinatory traps.” He published the book under a pseudonym and, under his own name, worked toward a master’s in astrophysics. And he married Janine Saley, a like-minded soul who had trained to be a child psychologist but later switched to IT. (She had moved into the student housing next to his, and through the thin wall they realized that they loved the same records.)

The year Vallée graduated, Le Sub-Espace won the Jules Verne Prize. Despite the honor, awarded at the Eiffel Tower, he kept his sci-fi interests semi-secret. He worked as an astronomer for the French government, based out of a château turned observatory near the capital, where a whining IBM 650 computed the orbits of satellites out in stables once used by the king’s mistress.

Then, in 1962, Vallée took another astronomy job, this time in Austin, Texas. He appreciated the big oaks, big butterflies, and big cars, and learned, he says, that a good scientist is like a rider on the rodeo circuit, with the nerve to reembark on the bull. ....
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The following year offered the perfect opportunity: J. Allen Hynek, the chair of Northwestern University’s astronomy department, found him a job programming for the school’s Technological Institute. Hynek was also the scientific adviser on Project Blue Book, the US Air Force’s UFO probe. Vallée, barely 24, with a helmet of brunet hair, would serve as Hynek’s unofficial aide-de-camp.

“There are in France more real philosophers than in any country on Earth; but there are also a great proportion of pseudo-philosophers there,” Thomas Jefferson wrote in a letter to a friend in 1803. A Gaul’s “exuberant imagination” often “creates facts for him,” the president and gentleman scientist went on, “and he tells them with good faith.”
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In Chicago, Vallée’s new mentor, Hynek, wanted a UFO event like L’Aigle. He wanted unimpeachable photography or something he could hold in his hands. In meetings of the Invisible College, the discreet ufology club the Vallées hosted at their apartment, he would say, “We have to wait for a really good case to show up.” But Vallée argued that scientific discoveries don’t usually happen that way. Understanding tends to come into view slowly, he said, after methodical study. They shouldn’t wait around for some sensational event that might never happen. They should be gathering every scrap of available UFO data—hard and soft—and truffling out the patterns in it. Solving for that unknown x.

Around the time the Vallées’ first child, a son, was born, the couple compiled a digital database of what they deemed credible UFO observations; it was populated with hundreds of reports from Project Blue Book in the US and thousands more they collected from Europe. Vallée was among the first to bring computers, statistics, and simulations to bear on the phenomenon. One of the things these tools taught him was that orthoteny, the pattern Michel discovered, occurred purely by chance.
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Francis was filled with both joy and pain by the experience. In the engraver’s interpretation, the angel emits a beam of light that brands him with stigmata. Those details remind Vallée of a wave of UFO activity in Brazil in 1977, shortly before the Council Bluffs incident. Victims reported being hit by powerful light beams from boxy craft. Dozens of them, he says, had burns consistent with exposure to radiation.
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We were in the same part of town that his family had moved to in 1967, when Vallée took a job at Shell. On computers in a basement off the Champs-Élysées, he had built balletic databases that anticipated how much and what kind of gas the French would guzzle in cars, trucks, boats, and trains as they set upon the Côte d’Azur for holidays. That spring, as civil unrest swept France and much of the population went on a general strike, his second child, a daughter, was born. There was chaos, and clarity.

The Condon Report had exposed how the UFO question tended to alternate between two poles: Either you believed that these phenomena were mirages created by bizarro natural events or tricks of human perception (ball lightning, weather balloons), or you believed that UFOs were nuts-and-bolts ships piloted by extraterrestrial starfarers.

Vallée found himself in neither camp. His Jung-accented sense of the phenomenon told him it was more than nuts and bolts. Something about it spoke to people on the level of mythology, engaged their psyches. Reports of sixth-sense experiences, like clairvoyance, were the norm. He hoped that science would eventually begin to explain all this—would explain what kind of technology, from what place, could generate such physical, mental, even spiritual effects. A 3D hologram with mass? A 5D object going through our 4D universe? The psychic equivalent of a film projector, capable of showing one person Bambi and another Godzilla?

Whatever the technology was, Vallée believed that humans had been reckoning with it for millennia, as both empirical fact and quavering myth. And he began collecting the cultural references to prove it. With the help of Paris’ booksellers, he acquired a library of esoteric texts and created a catalog of UFO sightings reaching back to premodern times. This catalog ran longer than the 1969 book he wrote based on it, Passport to Magonia.

In Japan, Vallée found, an “earthenware vessel” cut a “luminous trail” over the countryside in 1180, and samurai observed a “red wheel” in 1606. The Romans had seen “shields” in the sky, the Native Americans “baskets from heaven.” In the 1760s, at the age of 16, Goethe was on the road to college when he encountered “innumerable little lights” that “beamed on” in a ravine. Maybe it was will-o’-the-wisps, the budding polymath said. “I will not decide.”

The beings that Vallée wrote about would trick you. They would steal you and return you after a while, hours or generations later. If they spoke, what they said was bonkers—that they came from Kansas, or “from anywhere, but we’ll be in Greece day after tomorrow,” which is what an airship denizen told a bystander in 1897. (Later: “We are from what you people refer to as planet Mars.”)

When you looked at these cases in aggregate, there was sameness to the strangeness. In 1961, for example, the occupants of a silvery UFO, who wore turtlenecks, signaled a Wisconsin plumber to fill their jug with water. He thought they seemed to be “Italian-looking.” He granted the request, and they repaid his kindness with a plate of pancakes that tasted “like cardboard.” (The pancakes were unsalted, according to a subsequent analysis by the US Food and Drug Administration.)

This exchange, Vallée pointed out, echoed stories from before the industrial revolution about elves offering buckwheat cakes to Bretons. And those “little people” were known not to stomach salt, either. Could it be, Vallée asked, that whatever was behind the fairy faith was behind ufology? Couldn’t they come from the same “deep stream,” filtered through changing cultural and technological milieus?
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In his free time, Vallée ran computer analyses on historical UFO records. He discovered startling patterns of activity, which a psychological anthropologist at UCLA told him looked like a reinforcement schedule, the same process you might use to teach Spot or Rover a new trick. In Vallée’s 1975 book Invisible College, he hypothesized that the phenomenon is a control system, pulling on the delicate levers of the human imagination—reprogramming our software, in effect.

To what end? Vallée couldn’t say, any more than he could tell you the sound of one hand clapping. In his view, absurdity is an essential feature of the phenomenon. It fatigues the rational mind because the rational mind cannot ken it. As he put it to me recently, sometimes the phenomenon behaves like a dolphin: It plays with us. “It’s a lot smarter than we are, and it uses humor at another level,” he said.
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Years before the lunch with Max Platzer, Vallée and Garry Nolan were members together of a secret club of ufologists, similar to the old Invisible College. I will call them the Lonestars, because the members I spoke with asked me not to publish the group’s real name. Now disbanded, they were a tight circle of serious scientists, plus one European royal, who would convene a few times a year to discuss their research. According to Nolan, former Lonestars are “one step away” from all the big UFO news of the past several years—the aerial sightings by Navy pilots, the inconclusive Pentagon report that made the front page of the Times as “US Concedes It Can’t Identify Flying Objects.” Nolan showed me his certificate of induction into the group, a piece of Valléean drollery embossed with big-eyed bald-headed aliens.
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In 1945—one month after the very first nuclear weapon test, codenamed Trinity—two kid cowboys in the New Mexican desert, aged 7 and 9, heard a crash. They found an avocado-shaped craft, inside of which were mantis-like occupants. The beings seemed to be in pain, which made the younger boy cry. The two witnesses went decades without speaking of what went down. One metal artifact, still under analysis, remains from the site.

Last year, Vallée self-published a book about the case, coauthored with Paola Harris, an Italian ufological journalist who once taught at the American Overseas School of Rome and currently teaches at a Hawaii-based nonprofit that supports alien contactees, government whistleblowers, and the cause of galactic diplomacy. His decision to partner with her rankled the UFO community. Why, some asked, would this no-nonsense Scully saddle up with a woo-woo Mulder? (Evidently, they had forgotten about the fruits such a dynamic can bear.) The book suffers from a need for professional editing, but it is classic Vallée, marching confidently into the shifting borderland between fringe and mainstream. In the end, the reader must decide whether to believe in the phenomenon or not.
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And the shallot-sized lump of metal from Council Bluffs? It was made of isotopically ordinary elements, atypically mixed together. The Progress in Aerospace Sciences paper, which was published in December 2021, was never meant to be “a breakthrough about what UFOs are,” Vallée told me. It wasn’t meant, L’Aigle-style, to pummel an entire town with rocks. It is “a template,” he said, “for what serious UFO research could be in the future, if one plays by the rules.” He and Nolan are now studying samples for potential follow-up papers. “You have to open the door first, before you can bring in the packages,” he said.

Whatever the scientific truth here is, Vallée suspects that it may be knotted up with the secret of consciousness itself. The thing that philosophers call qualia—the conscious experience each human has—seems to be more than the sum of our physical parts. There’s an unsolved x there. Vallée’s friend Federico Faggin, for one, argues that consciousness is a basic property of nature, that the dimensions we call spacetime are in fact byproducts of some deeper reality. Maybe UFOs, Vallée suggests, are that reality welling up into ours.
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Jacques Vallée Still Doesnât Know What UFOs Are

After six globe-trotting decades spent probing “the phenomenon,” the French information scientist is sure of only one thing: The truth is really, really out there.

www.wired.com

 

[Staidhup]

Mathematically it has been proposed by scientific theoreticians that we’re not alone in the universe, so ask yourself, why would an advance civilization, with the capability to exceed the speed of light, utilize worm holes to transfer through vast regions of space, undetected, ever want to visit or study a planet that is apparently destroying itself? Hell I would think they would want to quarantine and avoid earth.

 

[Stryder50]

Plenty of heat available, under the ocean floor near vents. It would take some time to figure it out, but doable.

Not really 'doable'. No where near hot enough/high enough temps, to melt metal out of ore, let alone do any real further processing and manufacture into usable materials. Many of the more advanced process/manufacture methods require open, dry atmosphere environment, especially if wanting to do things like vacuum tubes~integrated circuits, etc.

I take it you either did very little STEM or did not pass such. Basics of science, physics, chemistry, biology, math, etc.

Science, technology, engineering, and mathematics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Rogue AI]

Not really 'doable'. No where near hot enough/high enough temps, to melt metal out of ore, let alone do any real further processing and manufacture into usable materials. Many of the more advanced process/manufacture methods require open, dry atmosphere environment, especially if wanting to do things like vacuum tubes~integrated circuits, etc.

I take it you either did very little STEM or did not pass such. Basics of science, physics, chemistry, biology, math, etc.

Science, technology, engineering, and mathematics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You do realize there are volcanos under in and under the oceans right? Magma is more than hot enough, close proximity would offer all that's needed. If anyone needs an education, it's you. You lack the imagination to comprehend the possibilities.

 

[Stryder50]

Mathematically it has been proposed by scientific theoreticians that we’re not alone in the universe, so ask yourself, why would an advance civilization, with the capability to exceed the speed of light, utilize worm holes to transfer through vast regions of space, undetected, ever want to visit or study a planet that is apparently destroying itself? Hell I would think they would want to quarantine and avoid earth.

Given the current age of this Universe placed around 13-14 Billion years and that of the Sol/Sun and planets(Earth) at about 4.5 =/- billion years, then with a Universe/Cosmos about three times plus as old, high probability of life, intelligent life, and technologically advanced life on other planets in other star/planet systems could exist.

Might they have come to our star/planet (Sol) system ages ago, perhaps even before humans appeared?

If coming here to check out we humans, likely some form of scouting expeditions would have first occurred before any further and extensive efforts would have been employed.

Could they have come here for reasons other than just to check out we "humans"?

Is it possible, per what some ancient human written records suggest, and recent researchers have underscored, that those "Alien" visitors/colonists might have been involved in the creation, or evolutionary acceleration of we "humans"?

How do you know there is only one such?
More probable is there could have been/are several to dozens of such ET/NT* species/cultures/civilizations that have been here and/or remain here for whatever purpose of their own value.

"The Planet", Earth/Ki/Gia is not destroying itself. A case might be made that there is one species on it's surface, likely native, that is doing damage to the biosphere and hydrosphere, but even that damage remains questionable as to how destructive it is, especially over the long term perspective.

Even if your inaccurate claims were correct, then there could be some form of 'anthropological' interest in seeing the "self-destruct" you have failed to prove. More likely, given the inter-stellar/intra-galactic rarity of Earth planets, "They" might be here to see what they can do to prevent the "destruction".

Another factor to consider is that these "Visitors" are likely coming from other cultures, other perspectives, and other motivations than we Humans might operate from or apply, or understand.

Be careful about judging others by your own standards, perspectives, motivations.

ET/NT =Extra-Terrestrial/Non-Terrestrial

 

[Stryder50]

You do realize there are volcanos under in and under the oceans right? Magma is more than hot enough, close proximity would offer all that's needed. If anyone needs an education, it's you. You lack the imagination to comprehend the possibilities.

Dude, I've nearly 30 years older on you. In fact I have children older than you.

I was aware of under ocean magma and volcanoes before you were ever out of diapers!

You might consider learning the difference from "possible" verses "probable".

Magma may be hot enough in some cases/conditions, but it is the system of how to channel, control, and apply that you seem to lack a HUGE grasp on.

As for education, or more important REAL WORLD experience, I've decades in manufacture and related quality assurance-inspection to know that what you propose is nothing more than purple haze, bong pipe-dreams!

You want to make/prove your case then present some articles from scientific and/or industrial sources where such under ocean mining, refining of ores, production of usable metals/minerals, and final usable production~products have occurred.

Otherwise you are just trying to blow bong smoke up mine and others arses.

Meanwhile you have proven not worth wasting any more time and/or effort to respond to since you are product of that K-12 post 1970s Lefty effort at doing politics/propaganda/indoctrination rather than real education.

 

[TNHarley]

UFOs were never a conspiracy theory.
Everything that went with it, was.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Dude, I've nearly 30 years older on you. In fact I have children older than you.

I was aware of under ocean magma and volcanoes before you were ever out of diapers!

You might consider learning the difference from "possible" verses "probable".

Magma may be hot enough in some cases/conditions, but it is the system of how to channel, control, and apply that you seem to lack a HUGE grasp on.

As for education, or more important REAL WORLD experience, I've decades in manufacture and related quality assurance-inspection to know that what you propose is nothing more than purple haze, bong pipe-dreams!

You want to make/prove your case then present some articles from scientific and/or industrial sources where such under ocean mining, refining of ores, production of usable metals/minerals, and final usable production~products have occurred.

Otherwise you are just trying to blow bong smoke up mine and others arses.

Meanwhile you have proven not worth wasting any more time and/or effort to respond to since you are product of that K-12 post 1970s Lefty effort at doing politics/propaganda/indoctrination rather than real education.

Actually if a race of people live at depth they would have an entirely different scientific thought process and system then us.

 

[Stryder50]

Actually if a race of people live at depth they would have an entirely different scientific thought process and system then us.

Sort of, maybe . . . .
But not one inclined to "reach for the stars"; or become extra-planetary and going "out there ~ beyond".

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Sort of, maybe . . . .
But not one inclined to "reach for the stars"; of become extra-planetary and going "out there ~ beyond".

You dont know that,

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

10 Reasons Why UFOs Are No Longer a Conspiracy Theory​

The truth is out there, and UFOs are no longer a conspiracy. All of a sudden, and starting back a few years, the UFO phenomena is al of a sudden worthy of scientific study. What changed? ​

10 Reasons Why UFOs Are No Longer a Conspiracy Theory — Curiosmos

Talking about UFOs and the UFO phenomenon is no longer a conspiracy theory but a subject worthy of scientific consideration. Here are 10 reasons as to why.

curiosmos.com

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How the Pentagon Started Taking U.F.O.s Seriously

For decades, flying saucers were a punch line. Then the U.S. government got over the taboo.

www.newyorker.com

Comment:
The evidence has been hidden from the public for decades and those witnesses to the truth have been made out to be conspiracy fools.
My oh my how things suddenly change...

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Scientific study cometpled.

Result: not any good evidence to suggest any UFO is an alien craft

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Actually if a race of people live at depth they would have an entirely different scientific thought process and system then us.

"Scientific thought process"

Uh...wut? The rules of logic will be the same for them.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Scientific study cometpled.

Result: not any good evidence to suggest any UFO is an alien craft

LOL with out one to study how does one come to THAT conclusion?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

"Scientific thought process"

Uh...wut? The rules of logic will be the same for them.

Your closed mind says that fact is it would be different because at depth nature is different.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

LOL with out one to study how does one come to THAT conclusion?

Of course, scientists have studied video and audio.

As of now,, no good evidence. There will be more study when someone produces a shred of possible evidence.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Your closed mind says that fact is it would be different because at depth nature is different.

But logic is not. Your undisciplined mind needs to try to understand that.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

But logic is not. Your undisciplined mind needs to try to understand that.

LOL what ever neanderthal