1 in 4 American moms return to work within 2 weeks of giving birth

[David_42]

We need guaranteed paid maternity leave.

Why?

Mothers would not return to work if they had paid maternity leave .-. Common sense.

Would they return to work after maternity leave expired?

Yes, obviously.

But you said that they wouldn't.

Make up your mind, Brotch.

Seriously? You know what I meant. :facepalm:
Read the title.

 

[Mr. H.]

You're under this retarded notion that women would get pregnant just to have a vacation. That's stupid. Also, women make up half the population. They would need to fill those positions somehow don't you think? Of course they'll still hire women.

They didn't used to hire as many women when more women were in the home, did they? There is no labor shortage in this global economy.

Did I say that women were getting pregnant in order to get a vacation? NO.

But the company doesn't care why she got pregnant, it only knows that under your proposed government imposed rule, it would be forced to pay her for a whole year for NOTHING whereas if she had been a he he would have worked that whole year.

It's an absurd notion, and my original satirical response to this thread was exactly on point.

Actually many jobs can't be filled because of a lack of skills from the worker. As of now, there are careers that, on average, appeal to women more than men. Women are needed in the workforce whether you like it or not.

Well, they don't need to be coddled with unreasonable government mandated benefits that are not available to men. Your proposal is sexist, communist, and anti-freedom. I'll go with freedom and liberty over centralized control.

Women and men either have equal rights or they don't.

Lol it's communist huh? You people kill me.

So forcing a company to pay a woman for a full year for NOTHING in support of her choice to have child is not communist? Well it's certainly not freedom.

Two weeks is fine. Now shut the fuck up and go to bed.

 

[Billy000]

You're under this retarded notion that women would get pregnant just to have a vacation. That's stupid. Also, women make up half the population. They would need to fill those positions somehow don't you think? Of course they'll still hire women.

They didn't used to hire as many women when more women were in the home, did they? There is no labor shortage in this global economy.

Did I say that women were getting pregnant in order to get a vacation? NO.

But the company doesn't care why she got pregnant, it only knows that under your proposed government imposed rule, it would be forced to pay her for a whole year for NOTHING whereas if she had been a he he would have worked that whole year.

It's an absurd notion, and my original satirical response to this thread was exactly on point.

Actually many jobs can't be filled because of a lack of skills from the worker. As of now, there are careers that, on average, appeal to women more than men. Women are needed in the workforce whether you like it or not.

Well, they don't need to be coddled with unreasonable government mandated benefits that are not available to men. Your proposal is sexist, communist, and anti-freedom. I'll go with freedom and liberty over centralized control.

Women and men either have equal rights or they don't.

Lol it's communist huh? You people kill me.

So forcing a company to pay a woman for a full year for NOTHING in support of her choice to have child is not communist? Well it's certainly not freedom.

Um no of course it isn't comminist.

 

[Mr. H.]

Two weeks. Express the tit. Nanny/daycare.

What the fuck don't you understand?

 

[Mr. H.]

Unless of course, your genes are inferior.

As opposed to mine...

 

[David_42]

Two weeks. Express the tit. Nanny/daycare.

What the fuck don't you understand?

Yes, because the majority of women who come back after giving birth are poor.. they can obviously afford a daycare.

 

[Mr. H.]

3 of my 4 children were sired without the aid of my right testicle.

Can I get an "attaboy John Wayne"?

 

[Mr. H.]

Two weeks. Express the tit. Nanny/daycare.

What the fuck don't you understand?

Yes, because the majority of women who come back after giving birth are poor.. they can obviously afford a daycare.

Good point. That had crossed my mind. But I did it then and so can they now. Mind you, this was in the early 80's before the Democrats took over and declared that poverty equaled lack of money, and family meant nothing. Just as Obama once again ushered back in 2008.

 

[Mr. H.]

Liberals don't value money, they only covet other people's money. And they blame their travails upon those who have, and not upon themselves who have chosen not to have.

And it is the wealthiest of Liberals with the largest of carbon footprints who chastise even the smallest Conservative to sacrifice themselves for the downtrodden of whom any such Liberal could give a flying fuck.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If we had a small government we could afford to do that, David. As it is? It's impossible.

Actually, that has nothing at all to do with it.

Nothing.

The US is one of only two countries who do not value newborn babies and families. Shameful.

It has everything to do with it. We have the largest deficit in the world if I am not mistaken. How did that happen, Luddly? We have a govt. that is out of control - way, way too big, spending way, way too much. As for not valuing our unborn babies? It is a very serious problem America has murdered over 50 million babies already and now they are selling their bodies for profit. The judgment of God is surely hanging over America even this very second.

It's all about priorities. The war expenditures from the last decade would have gone pretty far. Bringing the tax rates for the wealthiest closer to historic norms would go further. Priorities.

I'm more about letting freedom reign. Once upon a time we were the ONLY country ruled by and for the people.

Like the freedom to have a child without losing a month or two of pay?

 

[2aguy]

If we had a small government we could afford to do that, David. As it is? It's impossible.

Actually, that has nothing at all to do with it.

Nothing.

The US is one of only two countries who do not value newborn babies and families. Shameful.

It has everything to do with it. We have the largest deficit in the world if I am not mistaken. How did that happen, Luddly? We have a govt. that is out of control - way, way too big, spending way, way too much. As for not valuing our unborn babies? It is a very serious problem America has murdered over 50 million babies already and now they are selling their bodies for profit. The judgment of God is surely hanging over America even this very second.

It's all about priorities. The war expenditures from the last decade would have gone pretty far. Bringing the tax rates for the wealthiest closer to historic norms would go further. Priorities.

I'm more about letting freedom reign. Once upon a time we were the ONLY country ruled by and for the people.

Like the freedom to have a child without losing a month or two of pay?

everyone currently has that freedom...you simply have to plan for it...but expecting someone else to pay for it and act as if that is a right is wrong, immoral and should be illegal. Taking money from one individual to simply give it to another individual with no rightful claim to the money is stealing.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

We need guaranteed paid maternity leave.
1 in 4 American moms return to work within 2 weeks of giving birth — here’s what it's like

Pretty much all countries require companies to offer paid maternity leave to new mothers — all countries except, of course, for the United States.

(BBC)

So new moms in the United States don't take off much time at all: About a quarter return to work within two weeks of giving birth, a new analysis of data by Abt Associates shows.

Abt Associates worked with In These Times to look at a Department of Labor survey of when new moms return to work. Here's what they found:

Abt went back to a 2012 survey it conducted for the Department of Labor of 2,852 employees who had taken family or medical leave in the last year, looking specifically at the 93 women who took time off work to care for a new baby.

Nearly 12 percent of those women took off only a week or less. Another 11 percent took between one and two weeks off. That means that about 23 percent—nearly 1 in 4—of the women interviewed were back at work within two weeks of having a child.

Access to longer leave time appears to be a luxury good. As Sharon Lerner writes, "80 percent of college graduates took at least six weeks off to care for a new baby, but only 54 percent of women without college degrees did so."

This is how maternity leave works in a country that has no guarantee of time off: It goes to the women who have higher-income jobs with better benefit packages, or those who can afford to forgo income for a number of weeks or months. Low-income women have little option but to return to work quickly, an option that every other country in the world deems unacceptable.

What it's like to go back to work days after giving birth
Lerner's piece is worth reading in full, and you can do so here. This particular anecdote jumped out at me in underscoring what it's like for the quarter of women who return to work quickly. Lerner writes about Natasha Long, who went back to her factory job shortly after her son Jayden's birth. She would get up at 4 am to pump breast milk before work — and sneak out to pump again on breaks, in her car in the parking lot.

After just a few days of this crazed schedule, Long began to develop strange symptoms, including a headache that never seemed to go away and a choking sensation that left her feeling breathless. She started biting her fingernails to the quick—something she’d never done before—and crying a lot. "I felt like I was alone," says Long. "I wanted to fall off the face of the earth." Long had never been depressed. But when she went to the doctor, he surmised that her physical symptoms were rooted in her mental state, which was itself rooted in her schedule. When her doctor said he thought she was depressed, Long worried that if child welfare authorities found out, they might take her children away. She had seen other people’s children put in foster care. But when her doctor prescribed her antidepressants, she took them.

It's not just moms who suffer. Kids suffer, too.
Economists have looked at the relationship between maternity leave policies and children's well-being — and they find, perhaps somewhat unsurprisingly, that kids raised in countries that guarantee more time off have better health outcomes.

One 1995 study found that every extra week in guaranteed maternity leave correlated with a 2 to 3 percent decline in infant deaths. Separate research elsewhere found similar results.

And this makes pretty intuitive sense: Mothers with paid leave have more time to care for their children, giving additional time to invest in a newborn's well-being.

Giving birth is no big deal. Women always complain but I tell them to suck it up!

 

[Tresha91203]

If we had a small government we could afford to do that, David. As it is? It's impossible.

The pay is not yours until you earn it. The company isnt the one who pays, anyway. The taxpayers/government pays the mother, at least in Canada. I assume it is the same elsewhere.



Actually, that has nothing at all to do with it.

Nothing.

The US is one of only two countries who do not value newborn babies and families. Shameful.

It has everything to do with it. We have the largest deficit in the world if I am not mistaken. How did that happen, Luddly? We have a govt. that is out of control - way, way too big, spending way, way too much. As for not valuing our unborn babies? It is a very serious problem America has murdered over 50 million babies already and now they are selling their bodies for profit. The judgment of God is surely hanging over America even this very second.

It's all about priorities. The war expenditures from the last decade would have gone pretty far. Bringing the tax rates for the wealthiest closer to historic norms would go further. Priorities.

I'm more about letting freedom reign. Once upon a time we were the ONLY country ruled by and for the people.

Like the freedom to have a child without losing a month or two of pay?

 

[Tresha91203]

The pay is not yours until you earn it. The company isnt the one who pays, anyway. The taxpayers/government pays the mother, at least in Canada. I assume it is the same elsewhere.