Zelensky wishes he'd have supported Trump and sunk Biden instead...

[colfax_m]

Hiding the Bidens crimes was the wrong decision for Zelensky, Putin owns the Bidens, they are addicted to Russian (and Chinese) cash. Corrupt to the core.
You have no proof of Trump corruption, none. If you do, post it.

There were no crimes to hide. Trump asked Zelensky to manufacture suspicion which is exactly how corrupt autocrats in former-Soviet countries like to suppress political opposition.

 

[Faun]

Bullshit. Show ANY investigation results.......it was dropped......Burisma was protected by Biden.

Zlochevsky’s firm sells gas to Poroshenko - Feb. 03, 2017

Ex-Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky’s Burisma group has supplied natural gas to firms owned by President Petro… - Feb. 03, 2017. By Oleg Sukhov

www.kyivpost.com

 

[kyzr]

Pardon my interpretation here but Zelensky is a Jew...and as such is probably a Zionist.
The Zionists HATE Rad Vlad Putin.
Trump wanted to work with him.
If Zelensky supported Trump he would probably be living in exile somewhere, or be fertilizer.
Zelensky, like much of the media, realize that Americans have the critical thinking capability of a grapefruit...thus articles like this.
Murika.

1. True Volodymyr is a jew. Or at least his parents are...
2. Everyone hates Putin, so what?
3. Prove Trump wanted to work with Putin, to do what? Trump gave lethal aid to Ukraine, democrats gave MREs and blankets.
4. Prove Zelensky was forced to cover-up for Biden, I call bullshit.
5. Critical thinking failures are Biden supporters, duh.

 

[kyzr]

There were no crimes to hide. Trump asked Zelensky to manufacture suspicion which is exactly how corrupt autocrats in former-Soviet countries like to suppress political opposition.

Trump did no such thing. He did NOT ask Z to lie, he asked Z to investigate Biden corruption.
You democrats are just used to manufacturing lies like when Hillary hired Russians to make up the Steele Dossier.

Trump asked Ukraine president in phone call 'if you can look into' Biden and his son

The call with Zelensky is reportedly a central part of the whistleblower complaint that prompted Nancy Pelosi to support an impeachment inquiry against Trump.

www.cnbc.com

 

[AntonToo]

What a US Trap for Russia in Ukraine Might Look Like​

What a US Trap for Russia in Ukraine Might Look Like

The U.S. and NATO are pouring weapons into Ukraine. Kiev says it plans no offensive against Donbass, but if Washington forced one, Moscow would have a major decision to make, writes Joe Lauria. By Joe Lauria Special to Consortium News United States plans to weaken Russia by imposing pu

consortiumnews.com

The U.S. and NATO are pouring weapons into Ukraine. Kiev says it plans no offensive against Donbass, but if Washington forced one, Moscow would have a major decision to make, writes Joe Lauria.

". . . Joe Biden has said a Russian invasion will come in February, when the ground freezes. But it could also be the time for a Kiev offensive to recover the two Donbass provinces. NATO nations are pouring weapons into Ukraine supposedly to defend it against the “invasion.” But the weapons transfers could instead be preparation for an offensive, on orders from Washington. Since the 2014 U.S.-backed coup the U.S. essentially runs the country and all Ukrainian leaders, including Zelensky, serve at the pleasure of the U.S. president.

The ground will also be frozen for Kiev’s forces in February, which was the month of the 2014 coup, while Putin was in Sochi for the Winter Olympics. He is now in Beijing for the 2022 Winter Olympics, away from the command center in Moscow. (The 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing was also the time Georgia instigated its war with Russia against its renegade provinces at the behest of the United States.)

When Kiev stepped up attacks against Donbass in March and October 2021, Russia both time increased its troop deployments near the Ukraine border, which this time is being interpreted by Washington as plans for an “imminent” invasion.

It is an invasion the U.S. absolutely needs to implement its plans to weaken Russia (and ultimately to replace Putin with a pliable leader in the mold of Boris Yeltsin.) As Moscow has never openly threatened such an invasion, the U.S. appears to be devising ways to get it.

The Russian ‘Plot’

On Thursday U.S. intelligence leaked what it says is a diabolical scheme by Russia to stage a provocation in Donbass or even on Russian territory itself to provide a pretext for an invasion. The New York Times reported the lurid details of this supposed plot:



Of course unsaid is that the U.S. can get Kiev to launch an actual attack, even inside Russia, and then say it was the false flag event, to try to prompt the Russian intervention.

As usual, the U.S. “intelligence officials” refused to provide any evidence for such a plot. “Officials would not release any direct evidence of the Russian plan or specify how they learned of it, saying to do so would compromise their sources and methods,” the Times reported.

That prompted AP State Department correspondent Matt Lee to have this exchange with spokesman Ned Price on Thursday. Because Price was unable to produce any evidence he resorted to smearing Lee as taking “solace” in Russian information. . . . "




In the West, we are told that Putin is a dictator. I am not certain that is necessarily so.

From this report?

Kremlin reacts lukewarmly to State Duma’s initiative​

Kremlin reacts lukewarmly to State Duma's initiative - Some unique news of this unique world

The Kremlin on Friday reacted lukewarmly to an initiative by the State Duma to recognise two pro-Russian breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine as independent states, saying it was important to avoid actions that could increase tensions.The State Duma spokesman said Friday it would hold...

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January 21, 2022

The Kremlin on Friday reacted lukewarmly to an initiative by the State Duma to recognise two pro-Russian breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine as independent states, saying it was important to avoid actions that could increase tensions.
The State Duma spokesman said Friday it would hold discussions next week on the idea of recognising the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Luhansk People’s Republic.
Kremlin press secretary Dmitry Peskov, speaking ahead of talks in Geneva between senior US and Russian diplomats for spokesmen, said not to try to score political points in such a fragile situation.
Peskov added that the Kremlin did not expect a written answer from U.S. Secretary of State Blinken on Russia’s broad security guarantee demands.
(Reuters)

Donbas - Wikipedia

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That article from Consortium News? Seems to be right on the money. I remember learning way way back in Junior High, then in High School, and at University, that the whole point of WWI, was to give free people everywhere, the right to self determination. I am tired of western propaganda trying to tell us that the people of Crimea ARE NOT ethnically Russian, or that the people in Donetsk and Luhansk aren't either. If the government in Kiev were not a puppet of Washington, I am not sure it would matter to these people. . . .


But we really are playing with fire here. Russia is not going to let these areas of Europe, which have Russian nationals living in them, be dominiated, and controlled by Washington. And I don't think Putin or Lavrov want to make an issue of it, but I don't really think they are going to be given a choice, other Russians have family and friends that they are connected to. . .

We would accept a Chinese take over of Japan, or the Philippians?

. . or Australia?



Even if Biden, as weak as he is, WANTED to roll over for Chinese, does anyone believe for an instant that the public would allow that? Of course not. There is no way we would ever allow the Chinese to just take Japan or the Philippians.

So, we need to ask the question, if the Americans FORCE Ukraine to crack down on Donbas, and the Russian State Duma, forces the issue on Putin and Lavrov, by overwhelming majority. . . it could cost him the head of the Russian government if he does not acquiesce.

. . . and if he doesn't? His replacement might be even worse.

Good job spreading Russian propaganda bullshit.

1. No one was sending any new millitary aid untill Russia started amassing invasion-ready numbers of troops on Ukranian border.

2. Dombas is UKRAINIAN TERRITORY not Russian. Russia has no legitimate claim to it and it has no claim to self defense there.

 

[BlindBoo]

Influence peddling. Extortion. Money Laundering. Probably more crimes on Hunter's laptop that the FBI covered up. We won't know what crimes Burisma was involved in since the prosecutor (Shokin)was fired, and no new one to continue, it was stopped by Biden to protect Hunter's cash cow. Hunter's $83,000 a month cash cow for a "no show" job??

Joe Biden’s Crimes Were Put on Trial. And No One Expected This Verdict

President Trump’s lawyers made their case that Joe and Hunter Biden engaged in corruption in Ukraine. It was the first time the American people learned the facts about the Biden family’s shady dealings. Joe Biden’s crimes were put on trial. And no one expected this verdict. Former Florida...

www.americanpatriotdaily.com

So basically the Same Old Song and Dance? Nothing but allegations,no proof. Like the Cheddar Shredder?

 

[kyzr]

Zlochevsky’s firm sells gas to Poroshenko - Feb. 03, 2017

Ex-Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky’s Burisma group has supplied natural gas to firms owned by President Petro… - Feb. 03, 2017. By Oleg Sukhov

www.kyivpost.com

Poroshenko was the Ukraine president before Zelensky beat him, he then went to Russia.
Thanks for the link showing Burisma was corrupt. The Bidens took a lot of cash from Burisma, I'm sure they got protected by "the big guy" for their cash.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

russia russia russia is not going to invade ukraine.
Biden wants to look tough. \
Is it any coincidence that biden bombs some raghead in BFE at the same time this is all going on.

More US aid workers and their families getting bombed by Biden. If you believe the story the Democrats put out you're an idiot. Democrats run off to join isis and ship them supplies like Toyota trucks. They don't bomb them.

 

[kyzr]

So basically the Same Old Song and Dance? Nothing but allegations,no proof. Like the Cheddar Shredder?

Proof? How about just "follow the money"?

The Biden Money Laundering Scheme

townhall.com

Laptop connected to Hunter Biden linked to FBI money laundering probe

The FBI’s subpoena of a laptop and hard drive purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden came in connection with a money laundering investigation in late 2019, according to documents obtained by Fox News and verified by multiple federal law enforcement officials who reviewed them.

www.foxnews.com

Look at the Biden's various cash cows, and their bank accounts, and tell me all of their income is legitimate.....

 

[Faun]

Poroshenko was the Ukraine president before Zelensky beat him, he then went to Russia.
Thanks for the link showing Burisma was corrupt. The Bidens took a lot of cash from Burisma, I'm sure they got protected by "the big guy" for their cash.

Again, I just showed you that prosecutors went after Burisma after Shokin was replaced.

You asked for a link proving he was prosecuted and I gave you one. Sadly, your bullshit continues.

You lied repeatedly.

You claimed Shokin was actively investigating Burisma. That's a lie, he wasn't, he was protecting them.

You claimed Shokin wasn't replaced by anyone to go after Burisma. That's a lie, his replacement not only went after Burisma, he successfully convicted them on tax related charges and fined them millions.

You claimed Biden was protecting Burisma. That's a lie, Biden getting Zhokin fired hurt Burisma.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

 

[AntonToo]

Bullshit. Show ANY investigation results.......it was dropped......Burisma was protected by Biden.

After renewed investigation efforts, case against Zlochensky fell apart in 2017.

The money machine: how a high-profile corruption investigation fell apart

The long read: After a revolution overthrew Ukraine’s disgraced president, Theresa May promised to help the country’s new leaders recover stolen assets. But the UK’s first case collapsed within a year

www.theguardian.com

But Zlochensky got caught in the bribing act:

Court arrests ex-ecology minister Zlochevsky in absentia

A court has ruled to arrest former Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine Mykola Zlochevsky in absentia, Head of the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office (SAPO) Nazar Kholodnytsky has said. — Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

Prove Trump wanted to work with Putin,

Trump, if anything had positive things to say about Putin.

The media lost their shit...well everybody lost their shit because they all have the same agenda.

True Volodymyr is a jew. Or at least his parents are...

I think I am done with this thread.

 

[colfax_m]

Trump did no such thing. He did NOT ask Z to lie, he asked Z to investigate Biden corruption.
You democrats are just used to manufacturing lies like when Hillary hired Russians to make up the Steele Dossier.

Trump asked Ukraine president in phone call 'if you can look into' Biden and his son

The call with Zelensky is reportedly a central part of the whistleblower complaint that prompted Nancy Pelosi to support an impeachment inquiry against Trump.

www.cnbc.com

He asked Zelensky to do his dirty work for him. The investigation he asked for was baseless. That’s how it’d be manufactured. You invent a reason to investigate someone and it smears their credibility.

It’s what corrupt politicians do.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Ukraine President Zelensky could have released the damaging information about Biden's extortion and corruption. To fire prosecutor Shokin or lose $1b in aid, and protect the $83,000 a month Burisma cash cow.
Now Putin is about to invade Ukraine and Zelensky will end up against a wall. The stupid POS should have told the truth about Biden and helped Trump win in 2020 instead of getting Trump impeached.
Life Choices. Volodymyr is a dope. Maybe Zelensky didn't know that the Moscow mayor's wife is a Biden cash cow, duh?? Too late now...

Trump–Ukraine scandal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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What would Trump do differently?
Fire missles at an empty airport?

 

[kyzr]

Again, I just showed you that prosecutors went after Burisma after Shokin was replaced.
You asked for a link proving he was prosecuted and I gave you one. Sadly, your bullshit continues.
You lied repeatedly.
You claimed Shokin was actively investigating Burisma. That's a lie, he wasn't, he was protecting them.
You claimed Shokin wasn't replaced by anyone to go after Burisma. That's a lie, his replacement not only went after Burisma, he successfully convicted them on tax related charges and fined them millions.
You claimed Biden was protecting Burisma. That's a lie, Biden getting Zhokin fired hurt Burisma.
Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

1. Shokin was investigating Burisma, the Biden's earned their $83,000 a month by getting the US State Department to mount a campaign to oust Shokin.

When Ukraine's Prosecutor Came After His Son's Sponsor Joe Biden Sprang Into Action

There are some serious questions around the Biden family involvement in the Ukraine that the media have not picked up on. The first regards the...

ronpaulinstitute.org

"The above accounts are incorrect. Shokin did go after Zlochevsky. He opened two cases against him in 2015. After he did that Biden and his crew started to lobby for his firing. Shokin was aggressively pursuing the case. He did so just before Biden's campaign against him went into a frenzy." (Shokin was fired March of 2016)

2. The US State Department started the lie that Shokin was corrupt! The other EU nations were just supporting the US lie!

Leaked Emails Show that Allegations Against Shokin Came Directly from Burisma - American Liberty Report

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www.americanlibertyemail.com

The deputy secretary of state at the time (Tony Blinken) was approached by Hunter Biden to meet with an informant and discuss trouble in Ukraine. The informant was Sally Painter. She worked for Blue Star Strategies. That is a firm that was hired by Burisma to help stop investigations into their corruption.
In leaked emails (to multiple recipients), Painter revealed that Blue Star Strategies had been supplying information to the State Department for more than a year. That information formed the basis for having Shokin fired.
The U.S. State Department took false information from Burisma about the corruption of a prosecutor. They disseminated that information to U.S. allies and then used international agreement to justify actions against Shokin.
Think about this. Our government didn’t just use bad information to fire a prosecutor and shield Hunter Biden’s company from investigation. That would already be terrible. We now know that they were aware that they were getting information from Burisma in the first place. They were complicit in the whole thing.

 

[ColonelAngus]

From conservative Washington Examiner:


During his 2015-2016 tenure as chief prosecutor, Shokin did two things: He covered for the criminality of powerful figures close to then-President Petro Poroshenko, and he earned the ire of just about every anti-corruption group in Ukraine.

Don't take my word for it; take that of Shokin's immediate deputy, Vitaly Kasko. In 2016, Kasko resigned from his post, describing his boss' "hotbed of corruption."

The specifics of Shokin's corruption are most obvious in what he did not do. As Bloomberg documented in May, Shokin was particularly opposed to investigating high-wealth individuals suspected of corruption. Why those individuals? Presumably because a little of their high wealth would find its way into Shokin's hands if he was able to make their problems go away. This obviously infuriated civil society activists who noticed that Shokin was stonewalling obvious investigative needs.

Donald Trump - Washington Examiner

Donald Trump was the 45th President of the United States. He defeated Hillary Clinton in 2016, but lost in 2020 to Joe Biden. He is running again in 2024.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Here is Shokin trying to go after Anti-Corruption Group in Ukraine:

Discredited Shokin opens probe against anti-corruption group - Mar. 27, 2016

As the drive to fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin gains momentum, the discredited and… - Mar. 27, 2016. By Oleg Sukhov

www.kyivpost.com

We need to stop meddling in the affairs of other nations. We arent special.

 

[kyzr]

After renewed investigation efforts, case against Zlochensky fell apart in 2017.
But Zlochensky got caught in the bribing act:

Court arrests ex-ecology minister Zlochevsky in absentia

A court has ruled to arrest former Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine Mykola Zlochevsky in absentia, Head of the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office (SAPO) Nazar Kholodnytsky has said. — Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

Your 2nd link proved that Lutsenko, who replaced Shokin (who was fired by Biden in March of 2016) did not continue the investigation into Burisma, the Biden's cash cow.
Your link proves rampant corruption by Burisma, Zelensky should have investigated as requested by Trump and followed the money to see how much the Biden's got.
The courts were investigating corruption, not their AG (Lutsenko).

 

[kyzr]

What would Trump do differently?
Fire missiles at an empty airport?

Don't know what Trump would have done differently, but you just know it would have been better than what senile "always wrong" Biden is doing.

 

[colfax_m]

Shokin was aggressively pursuing the case.

And yet no one had seen any signs of this “aggression”. It existed solely in the statements of Shokin, which aren’t worth a damn.

 

[Faun]

1. Shokin was investigating Burisma, the Biden's earned their $83,000 a month by getting the US State Department to mount a campaign to oust Shokin.

When Ukraine's Prosecutor Came After His Son's Sponsor Joe Biden Sprang Into Action

There are some serious questions around the Biden family involvement in the Ukraine that the media have not picked up on. The first regards the...

ronpaulinstitute.org

"The above accounts are incorrect. Shokin did go after Zlochevsky. He opened two cases against him in 2015. After he did that Biden and his crew started to lobby for his firing. Shokin was aggressively pursuing the case. He did so just before Biden's campaign against him went into a frenzy." (Shokin was fired March of 2016)

2. The US State Department started the lie that Shokin was corrupt! The other EU nations were just supporting the US lie!

Leaked Emails Show that Allegations Against Shokin Came Directly from Burisma - American Liberty Report

Joe Biden is tanking in the polls. That’s a very good thing. Compared to the insane crowd running against him, his policies almost seem preferable. They’re far to the left and dangerous, but next to Bernie, almost anything seems like a good alternative. In Joe’s case, policy isn’t what matters...

www.americanlibertyemail.com

The deputy secretary of state at the time (Tony Blinken) was approached by Hunter Biden to meet with an informant and discuss trouble in Ukraine. The informant was Sally Painter. She worked for Blue Star Strategies. That is a firm that was hired by Burisma to help stop investigations into their corruption.
In leaked emails (to multiple recipients), Painter revealed that Blue Star Strategies had been supplying information to the State Department for more than a year. That information formed the basis for having Shokin fired.
The U.S. State Department took false information from Burisma about the corruption of a prosecutor. They disseminated that information to U.S. allies and then used international agreement to justify actions against Shokin.
Think about this. Our government didn’t just use bad information to fire a prosecutor and shield Hunter Biden’s company from investigation. That would already be terrible. We now know that they were aware that they were getting information from Burisma in the first place. They were complicit in the whole thing.

Ron Paul is not news. Your second article is only about how the U.S. sowed seeds of corruption within the PGO.

The fact remains, Shokin was not actively prosecuting Zlochevsky or Burisma. He was protecting them. This is Ukrainian news from before Biden got Shokin fired...

https://www.kyivpost.com/media/pdf/LQ6.pdf

For example, in the case of former Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, the U.K. authorities had seized $23 million in illicit assets that belonged to the Ukrainian people. Officials at the PGO’s office were asked by the U.K to send documents supporting the seizure. Instead they sent letters to Zlochevsky’s attorneys attesting that there was no case against him. As a result the money was freed by the U.K. court and shortly thereafter the money was moved to Cyprus.​