You're All Trapped In The False Left-Right Paradigm

[Ringel05]

After being on this board for several weeks, I have noticed that everyone is trapped in the false Left-Right paradigm and makes comments like "Liberals are ruining this country" and "Conservatives hate the poor."

I've got news for you, both sides have equally and cooperatively destroyed this country. I don't know if you noticed, but as Presidents and parties change, the agenda stays the SAME. Obama simply continued Bushes policies and added a bit of his own bs. Is this not obvious?

Every Presidency, more and more civil liberties are taken away, the wars go on, the more and more globalization increases and US sovereignty decreases.

So it's simply naive to point fingers at Democrats and say how stupid and evil they are when the Republicans have done an equal amount of evil deeds and destruction to this country.

This is how the Illuminati decieves people and maintain power. They give people the illusion of choice and make people think there is a difference in the choices, that way, whichever party or President they vote for, the Illuminati wins every time. It's the perfect scam. How can you fall for it.

And btw, I already anticipate responses talking about Dems and Repubs aren't true Liberals and Conservatives, but that's fine, regardless, true Liberalism and true Conservatism are still antithetical to Freedom and proper socio-political theory. Only Libertarians can claim to be the ideology that upholds true Liberty and sound principles.


Edit: Just to clarify, I know that perhaps not ALL here apply, but most do.

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After being on this board for several weeks, I have noticed that everyone is trapped in the false Left-Right paradigm

Everyone??!! You obviously haven't done much reading here in those several weeks and simply focused on the left-right wingers.
Interesting.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

i guess this is the time to mention i think all conservatives are bat shit crazy...simple fact...

but we are blinded by our partisan views

How is something you "think" a "simple fact"?

I think most modern day liberals are not only bat shit crazy, but the Devil incarnate. I'd hardly label that a "simple fact" although I believe my observation to be spot on however.

 

[Dr.Drock]

After being on this board for several weeks, I have noticed that everyone is trapped in the false Left-Right paradigm and makes comments like "Liberals are ruining this country" and "Conservatives hate the poor."

I've got news for you, both sides have equally and cooperatively destroyed this country. I don't know if you noticed, but as Presidents and parties change, the agenda stays the SAME. Obama simply continued Bushes policies and added a bit of his own bs. Is this not obvious?

Every Presidency, more and more civil liberties are taken away, the wars go on, the more and more globalization increases and US sovereignty decreases.

So it's simply naive to point fingers at Democrats and say how stupid and evil they are when the Republicans have done an equal amount of evil deeds and destruction to this country.

This is how the Illuminati decieves people and maintain power. They give people the illusion of choice and make people think there is a difference in the choices, that way, whichever party or President they vote for, the Illuminati wins every time. It's the perfect scam. How can you fall for it.

And btw, I already anticipate responses talking about Dems and Repubs aren't true Liberals and Conservatives, but that's fine, regardless, true Liberalism and true Conservatism are still antithetical to Freedom and proper socio-political theory. Only Libertarians can claim to be the ideology that upholds true Liberty and sound principles.


Edit: Just to clarify, I know that perhaps not ALL here apply, but most do.

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After being on this board for several weeks, I have noticed that everyone is trapped in the false Left-Right paradigm

Everyone??!! You obviously haven't done much reading here in those several weeks and simply focused on the left-right wingers.
Interesting.

Yeah I'd actually say compared to society this board is less trapped in the left-right thing.

 

[GeoLaureate8]

After being on this board for several weeks, I have noticed that everyone is trapped in the false Left-Right paradigm and makes comments like "Liberals are ruining this country" and "Conservatives hate the poor."

I've got news for you, both sides have equally and cooperatively destroyed this country. I don't know if you noticed, but as Presidents and parties change, the agenda stays the SAME. Obama simply continued Bushes policies and added a bit of his own bs. Is this not obvious?

Every Presidency, more and more civil liberties are taken away, the wars go on, the more and more globalization increases and US sovereignty decreases.

So it's simply naive to point fingers at Democrats and say how stupid and evil they are when the Republicans have done an equal amount of evil deeds and destruction to this country.

This is how the Illuminati decieves people and maintain power. They give people the illusion of choice and make people think there is a difference in the choices, that way, whichever party or President they vote for, the Illuminati wins every time. It's the perfect scam. How can you fall for it.

And btw, I already anticipate responses talking about Dems and Repubs aren't true Liberals and Conservatives, but that's fine, regardless, true Liberalism and true Conservatism are still antithetical to Freedom and proper socio-political theory. Only Libertarians can claim to be the ideology that upholds true Liberty and sound principles.


Edit: Just to clarify, I know that perhaps not ALL here apply, but most do.

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After being on this board for several weeks, I have noticed that everyone is trapped in the false Left-Right paradigm

Everyone??!! You obviously haven't done much reading here in those several weeks and simply focused on the left-right wingers.
Interesting.

Perhaps you should read more carefully. I said that not everyone here applies, but MOST do.

When I initially said "everyone," I was making a generalization, perhaps you've heard of it.

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[Mr. Shaman]

Only Libertarians can claim to be the ideology that upholds true Liberty and sound principles.

I agree that the extremes of the Right and Left have gotten more militant and confrontive.

You know of people (on the Left) who've felt justified to start shootin' people??



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a8r46PQDbU&feature=related]YouTube - ‪Pittsburgh killer inspired by Beck‬‏[/ame]​

 

[strollingbones]

i guess this is the time to mention i think all conservatives are bat shit crazy...simple fact...

but we are blinded by our partisan views

How is something you "think" a "simple fact"?

I think most modern day liberals are not only bat shit crazy, but the Devil incarnate. I'd hardly label that a "simple fact" although I believe my observation to be spot on however.

soggy the last thing i see heading out the backdoor is a sticker the hubby put up

"dont believe everything you think"

plus now the shit house rats are all pissed!

 

[strollingbones]

and i am reporting you for calling me names....take that!!!!

but seriously dont you think most of us....80% of us want the same things.....secure safe places to live and raise a family and the chance to work and prosper?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

i guess this is the time to mention i think all conservatives are bat shit crazy...simple fact...

but we are blinded by our partisan views

How is something you "think" a "simple fact"?

I think most modern day liberals are not only bat shit crazy, but the Devil incarnate. I'd hardly label that a "simple fact" although I believe my observation to be spot on however.

soggy the last thing i see heading out the backdoor is a sticker the hubby put up

"dont believe everything you think"

plus now the shit house rats are all pissed!

Sounds like a good credo. As for the rats, you're on your own.

 

[GeoLaureate8]

So...we shouldn't choose either left or right, but should go straight to the libertarian door.

Yeah, right, whatever.

Sounds like just another guy stating his group has all the answers. And this is different because...

I don't have a group and I'm not part of a group. I'm simply stating that the left-right paradigm is false and many people are trapped in it.

My second point was that the way out of this false paradigm is Libertarianism.


And it's not a group, it's a principle of Freedom. People who support freedom are the ones I am supporting, however it's not a group or collectivist ideal, it's about individual liberty.

There is a clear difference between the freedom loving Libertarians and the global fascist dictatorship loving Left-Right Wingers.

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[strollingbones]

now i have to go engage in the communist activity of a farmer's market.....but yea the shit house rat comparison always pushes them over the edge....

its not that conservatives are bad people...its just that god kills a kitten when you vote republican

see soggy ....its in print...it must be true

 

[strollingbones]

So...we shouldn't choose either left or right, but should go straight to the libertarian door.

Yeah, right, whatever.

Sounds like just another guy stating his group has all the answers. And this is different because...

I don't have a group and I'm not part of a group. I'm simply stating that the left-right paradigm is false and many people are trapped in it.

My second point was that the way out of this false paradigm is Libertarianism.


And it's not a group, it's a principle of Freedom. People who support freedom are the ones I am supporting, however it's not a group or collectivist ideal, it's about individual liberty.

There is a clear difference between the freedom loving Libertarians and the global fascist dictatorship loving Left-Right Wingers.

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everyone has an agenda.....everyone

 

[Mr. Shaman]

i guess this is the time to mention i think all conservatives are bat shit crazy...simple fact...

but we are blinded by our partisan views

How is something you "think" a "simple fact"?

I think most modern day liberals are not only bat shit crazy, but the Devil incarnate. I'd hardly label that a "simple fact" although I believe my observation to be spot on however.

....Only if you actually believe in such fantasy as the Devil, Hell, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, etc.

 

[Ringel05]

After being on this board for several weeks, I have noticed that everyone is trapped in the false Left-Right paradigm and makes comments like "Liberals are ruining this country" and "Conservatives hate the poor."

I've got news for you, both sides have equally and cooperatively destroyed this country. I don't know if you noticed, but as Presidents and parties change, the agenda stays the SAME. Obama simply continued Bushes policies and added a bit of his own bs. Is this not obvious?

Every Presidency, more and more civil liberties are taken away, the wars go on, the more and more globalization increases and US sovereignty decreases.

So it's simply naive to point fingers at Democrats and say how stupid and evil they are when the Republicans have done an equal amount of evil deeds and destruction to this country.

This is how the Illuminati decieves people and maintain power. They give people the illusion of choice and make people think there is a difference in the choices, that way, whichever party or President they vote for, the Illuminati wins every time. It's the perfect scam. How can you fall for it.

And btw, I already anticipate responses talking about Dems and Repubs aren't true Liberals and Conservatives, but that's fine, regardless, true Liberalism and true Conservatism are still antithetical to Freedom and proper socio-political theory. Only Libertarians can claim to be the ideology that upholds true Liberty and sound principles.


Edit: Just to clarify, I know that perhaps not ALL here apply, but most do.

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After being on this board for several weeks, I have noticed that everyone is trapped in the false Left-Right paradigm

Everyone??!! You obviously haven't done much reading here in those several weeks and simply focused on the left-right wingers.
Interesting.

Perhaps you should read more carefully. I said that not everyone here applies, but MOST do.

When I initially said "everyone," I was making a generalization, perhaps you've heard of it.

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Let's see, making generalizations without initially identifying them as generalizations leads any rational reader to discern that wasn't your intent. Go figure.......
Oh, and any rational reader who reads such a generalized claim generally doesn't continue reading on, it's not worth their time especially since you've chosen your paradigm. I wonder what color should be applied to Libertarian blinders?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So...we shouldn't choose either left or right, but should go straight to the libertarian door.

Yeah, right, whatever.

Sounds like just another guy stating his group has all the answers. And this is different because...

I don't have a group and I'm not part of a group. I'm simply stating that the left-right paradigm is false and many people are trapped in it.

My second point was that the way out of this false paradigm is Libertarianism.


And it's not a group, it's a principle of Freedom. People who support freedom are the ones I am supporting, however it's not a group or collectivist ideal, it's about individual liberty.

There is a clear difference between the freedom loving Libertarians and the global fascist dictatorship loving Left-Right Wingers.

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So... there is no longer a Libertarian Party? I dunno, I've meta few hardcore "libertarians".. they seemed like border line anarchists to me. Not saying that is true of all of them, but it was just my observation.

 

[GeoLaureate8]

and i am reporting you for calling me names....take that!!!!

but seriously dont you think most of us....80% of us want the same things.....secure safe places to live and raise a family and the chance to work and prosper?

No, otherwise 80% of us would stop voting for global fascist dictators. Many people are content in their own enslavement and like being treated like a pet. People are scared of freedom and don't truly understand it and therefore don't support it. For example, probably 80% of the population believes that the government should be able to tell people what they can and can't put into their own bodies by supporting all these drug prohibition laws that enslave millions of innocent, non-violent drug users while all of these hypocrites consume pharmaceuticals, nicotene, caffeine, ethonol, nitrous oxide, and morphine simply because there's legal ways to consume these things.

They simply don't want freedom and they want to control other peoples lives and tell them how to live.

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[Dr.Drock]

and i am reporting you for calling me names....take that!!!!

but seriously dont you think most of us....80% of us want the same things.....secure safe places to live and raise a family and the chance to work and prosper?

No, otherwise 80% of us would stop voting for global fascist dictators. Many people are content in their own enslavement and like being treated like a pet. People are scared of freedom and don't truly understand it and therefore don't support it. For example, probably 80% of the population believes that the government should be able to tell people what they can and can't put into their own bodies by supporting all these drug prohibition laws that enslave millions of innocent, non-violent drug users while all of these hypocrites consume pharmaceuticals, nicotene, caffeine, ethonol, nitrous oxide, and morphine simply because there's legal ways to consume these things.

They simply don't want freedom and they want to control other peoples lives and tell them how to live.

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80% of us don't, only about half of americans vote and less than half of that group vote for the 2 status quo parties.

So really about 20-25% of americans vote republican and 20-25% of americans vote democrat, a lot of ppl have figured out neither party is worth wasting time on.

 

[GeoLaureate8]

Sounds like just another guy stating his group has all the answers. And this is different because...

I don't have a group and I'm not part of a group. I'm simply stating that the left-right paradigm is false and many people are trapped in it.

My second point was that the way out of this false paradigm is Libertarianism.


And it's not a group, it's a principle of Freedom. People who support freedom are the ones I am supporting, however it's not a group or collectivist ideal, it's about individual liberty.

There is a clear difference between the freedom loving Libertarians and the global fascist dictatorship loving Left-Right Wingers.

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everyone has an agenda.....everyone

What does that have to do with anything I just said? Besides, it's irrelevant. Saying "everyone has an agenda" is the same as saying everyone has goals. Yeah, ok, that's obvious and who cares.

The part that matters is what's IN the agenda and what ARE the goals?
Is the goal freedom or fascism?


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[Steelplate]

Libertarianism is not necessarily Capitalist. There is something called Left Libertarianism as well.

Libertarianism is rooted in the principles of non-coercion, non-aggression, property rights, and liberty.

This bare version of Libertarianism is compatible with other such ideas such as Resource Based Economy.

Plus, Libertarianism FULLY allows and encourages charity and even welfare like services so long as it's VOLUNTARY. Libertarians don't like the idea of government stealing your money at gun point with force and giving it to poor people. For example, I voluntarily give change to homeless people, but I do not want policemen forcing me to give them change.


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So... what happens when there aren't nearly enough VOLUNTEERS? Too bad for them, right?

The idea of Big Business stealing my money and keeping much of it for themselves is much more offensive to me than taxation.

How does big business do that? Well, let's see...

1. Advertising...They make many people feel that they NEED the bullshit they are selling. They use sex, gimmickry, false sense of "everyone has one... you should too", and a host of other Marketing gimmicks.

2. Cornering the market so that you have no real legitimate choice... Microsoft is a perfect example of that. Try doing all the things you can do on a PC with a Linux based computer, or even a Mac. You can't unless you are an incredibly savvy computer geek.

3. Eliminating Competition by force... look at Wall Street and the way they do business... look at Conglomerate Economics. Little guys stand almost no chance at all.

Those are just three and that's just scratching the surface. Anyone who believes in the current form of "Free Enterprise" is kidding themselves.

Do I believe in Socialism? Aspects of it... yes. Totally... no. Do I believe in Capitalism... same deal.

There's nothing wrong with taking care of your citizens through taxation. However, there needs to be regulations in place that force people to be productive for the common good.

There's nothing wrong with making a profit... but when profits get to the point where the rest of the country suffers, then there needs to be regulation to make things right.

For far too long, people have gotten away with doing nothing and being taken care of AND others making money hand over fist and giving little to no regard for the rest of our society.

I grow weary of seeing the profit reports of Multi-Billion dollar corporations and seeing their CEOs get incredibly rich, while the same company lays off employees and outsources jobs to get those big profit numbers.

 

[GeoLaureate8]

And FYI, I'm not a Tea Partier. 44 White House Tea Party members voted FOR the Patriot Act. I don't even support all of their ideals, especially because they tend to be way too socially conservative. They've been co-opted by the Illuminati anyways as made evident by Sarah Palins infiltration of the Tea Party movement. It's sad that they have even turned against Ron Paul, someone who helped spark the movement. You can partly thank Sarah Palin for that.

The only thing I support about the Tea Party is their endorsement of Ron Paul and their attempt to support Libertarianism.

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[Wolfmoon]

After being on this board for several weeks, I have noticed that everyone is trapped in the false Left-Right paradigm and makes comments like "Liberals are ruining this country" and "Conservatives hate the poor."

I've got news for you, both sides have equally and cooperatively destroyed this country. I don't know if you noticed, but as Presidents and parties change, the agenda stays the SAME. Obama simply continued Bushes policies and added a bit of his own bs. Is this not obvious?

Every Presidency, more and more civil liberties are taken away, the wars go on, the more and more globalization increases and US sovereignty decreases.

So it's simply naive to point fingers at Democrats and say how stupid and evil they are when the Republicans have done an equal amount of evil deeds and destruction to this country.

This is how the Illuminati decieves people and maintain power. They give people the illusion of choice and make people think there is a difference in the choices, that way, whichever party or President they vote for, the Illuminati wins every time. It's the perfect scam. How can you fall for it.

And btw, I already anticipate responses talking about Dems and Repubs aren't true Liberals and Conservatives, but that's fine, regardless, true Liberalism and true Conservatism are still antithetical to Freedom and proper socio-political theory. Only Libertarians can claim to be the ideology that upholds true Liberty and sound principles.


Edit: Just to clarify, I know that perhaps not ALL here apply, but most do.

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What do you propose as a solution? Here's what I think about it. The government is a living breathing growing animal that will outlive everyone. It’s automatic when one politician retires another takes his place. The politicians have an iron clad grip on the Cash Cow called the American taxpayers. As long as they can keep the people fighting amongst themselves they can sit back and do whatever they want uninterrupted.

When the politicians ignore "The Will of the People" they’re no better than dictators. Americans must learn to truly unite for the good of the country. They must change their attitudes that politics isn't like staying true to your hometown or favorite sports team.

We must act together rationally when decisions are to be made, we must make intelligent choices for the good of our country and the planet. By letting politicians make all the decisions they’re making themselves rich and stealing us blind. They’ve already proven that just look at the state of the country’s financial situation.

I believe it’s time for Americans to come together and control their own parties and stop the politicians from destroying the U.S.A.

Everyone should start watching C-Span and see for yourselves that the politicians are corrupt. It’s very depressing to see that the politicians both parties are greedy idiots voting for campaign contributions from companies owned by foreign countries. They’re giving away hard earned tax dollars to foreign countries and cutting benefits and Aid to Americans.

FEMA is broke and we can’t afford to rebuild our own country after a natural disaster yet, we readily buy weapons and aid our enemies. Basically they’re selling us out. The people of American have got to pay attention to what the politicians are doing. If we ignore it now it will come back and bite us and future generations in the butt later.

We haven’t got much time left so, everyone better get on the stick and straighten out their parties. I think going Independent is the best way to go then you can vote for the best candidate outside your party.

We have to turn these old politicians over and get them out of office. The longer they stay in office the sneakier and more corrupt they become. We should never let any politician have more than one term in office. It’s time to Vote the Bums Out both parties! It’s time for Americans to unite and save our country.