Your Taxes, Your Beliefs

[flacaltenn]

Since we DO have choice and options on which State and Local taxes we want to live under.
We should encourage that democratic option by giving folks more CONTROL over what goes to the Feds as well..

I think we have Federal funding mostly backwards. The Feds take money from the people of various states and end up "granting back to them" a significant portion of that.

Instead -- why don't the STATES fund the Fed behemoth?? The Dept of Ed would have to PROVE it's worth to the states. California would have to justify having it's citizens pay for DUPLICATE EPAs.

Sure your state taxes would go up.. But the politicians sending money to Washington now live pretty much in your neighborhood. Not in Georgetown. So you can "reach out" and strangle them if they aren't doing the job. MORE accountability, more ability to move to a better state.

Right now, the Prez and 4 CongressCritters pretty much control the entire digestive system of our Fed Govt. NOTHING moves in DC without the party floor leaders in the House/Senate.. Time to move accountability back closer to home..

 

[auditor0007]

Let me start by saying that I believe that most of the taxes we pay are unjust and that we should not have to pay more than a total of 10% of our income in total taxes. That is the same amount I give to my church.

I believe that taxes are payment for services that we receive. If I don't get the benefit of a service paid for by taxes I should not be required to pay it.
That would mean that the "welfare" system in this country would not be possible. Social security would be well funded. The military would have to cut their spending and the police departments would be able to increase theirs.

So you want to pay 10% to the feds, 10% to the state, and 10% in local taxes. We can live with that.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

You can certainly write your history book however you want. *I go with the standard,

""The absence of a tax base meant that there was no way to pay off state and national debts from the war years except by requesting money from the states, which seldom arrived."

Requesting money from the states still doesn't make the taxes voluntary.

They were voluntary.

So your claim is that individuals could refuse to pay taxes levied on them by their state governments on behalf of the confederation government with absolutely no consequences? Can you prove it?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Not one assumption except that you might actually have intelligence.

Now I know.

Sure. If mistaking head for ass is "knowing".

Your still not saying anything intelligent.

 

[eflatminor]

Your still not saying anything intelligent.

Thanks for that little pearl of wisdom...

 

[disskreddit]

Taxes should be localized. Federal taxes (of any kind) should be abolished. Local taxes with equal representation should be voluntary.

 

[ClosedCaption]

The Me Me Me mentality

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The Me Me Me mentality

Self ownership and freedom. I realize your type doesn't get it. You think "all of us" and with that you want to force people to do what you think is right. Thats the difference.

Me me me is right. Nobody else is obligated to help me out, nor am I obligated to help them.

 

[dblack]

Being able to opt out of taxation kind of defeats the purpose of taxation, but I'd certainly be more than ok with that. The only legitimate tax would be a voluntary tax, or, in other words, a donation.

I don't want to get into the voluntary tax argument. Obviously I agree with you, but compulsory taxation is where we're at, and from that perspective, I'm actually opposed to letting people opt-out of any taxes.

The whole point compulsory taxation is to fund government services that people can't or shouldn't be allowed to opt-out of. If we can conceive of a legitimate reason for someone to opt-out of a paying taxes for a government service, it shouldn't be a tax-funded government service in the first place.

 

[ClosedCaption]

The Me Me Me mentality

Self ownership and freedom. I realize your type doesn't get it. You think "all of us" and with that you want to force people to do what you think is right. Thats the difference.

Me me me is right. Nobody else is obligated to help me out, nor am I obligated to help them.

Self ownership and freedom. I bet you couldn't explain that bumper sticker phrase in 10 more posts. While I think all of us are living in America together and "my type" thinks that a society cannot be held up to any standards by voluntary contributions. Your type thinks that you shouldn't be taxed for things you don't like.

So it funny that you would take offense. No man is an island. Unless you believe otherwise. Then that's your teachers fault.

 

[eflatminor]

The Me Me Me mentality

The "I know what's best for others" mentality.

Pass.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The Me Me Me mentality

Self ownership and freedom. I realize your type doesn't get it. You think "all of us" and with that you want to force people to do what you think is right. Thats the difference.

Me me me is right. Nobody else is obligated to help me out, nor am I obligated to help them.

Self ownership and freedom. I bet you couldn't explain that bumper sticker phrase in 10 more posts. While I think all of us are living in America together and "my type" thinks that a society cannot be held up to any standards by voluntary contributions. Your type thinks that you shouldn't be taxed for things you don't like.

So it funny that you would take offense. No man is an island. Unless you believe otherwise. Then that's your teachers fault.

I definitely cant explain it so that you'll understand it. You want to force people to do what you believe is right. This omnipotent, do-gooder mentality is above all, conscience self authorized. You believe that forcing people to do what you want is not only necessary, but completely justified.

In short, your nothing more than a tyrant. Because this is exactly what tyrants believe.

 

[eflatminor]

If we can conceive of a legitimate reason for someone to opt-out of a paying taxes for a government service, it shouldn't be a tax-funded government service in the first place.

What a long list that is...

 

[TakeAStepBack]

If we can conceive of a legitimate reason for someone to opt-out of a paying taxes for a government service, it shouldn't be a tax-funded government service in the first place.

What a long list that is...

It sure is. But, if going by dblack's logic, we're already at compulsory taxation. it really doesn't even matter to have the discussion. This is just the way it is. So pay up and shut up.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Being able to opt out of taxation kind of defeats the purpose of taxation, but I'd certainly be more than ok with that. The only legitimate tax would be a voluntary tax, or, in other words, a donation.

Did you miss where he stated taxes such as road improvements would be shared by all. He didn't mean opt out on all - but rather ones that posed a conflict of interests for the payer.

It is a good idea. Another example why we should probably vote for people out of the phone book ( normal folks ) next election ( 2014) rather than career politicians who work for NGOS and do nothing but rob us blind.

 

[Sallow]

Being able to opt out of taxation kind of defeats the purpose of taxation, but I'd certainly be more than ok with that. The only legitimate tax would be a voluntary tax, or, in other words, a donation.

I've had several threads on line item taxation.

It would probably mean the end of ridiculous and unnecessary wars.

Which, in itself, would not be a bad thing.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

What about regulations, Wake? Seeing as regulations are the 4th branch ( illegal ) of Government bypassing the other 3 branches how do suggest we cut it off?

 

[Zarius]

Wouldn’t it be something if people could opt out of paying taxes towards things they don’t agree with? A liberal wouldn’t have to pay taxes towards something he doesn’t like… wait, I can’t think of anything liberals wouldn’t want to pay taxes towards. Just joking. A conservative could decide that she wants to opt out of paying taxes towards abortion clinics, expense involving gay marriage, etc. I suppose if certain liberals don’t like enforcing the Southern border they could choose to opt out on paying taxes towards that, too. The thing is, I don’t like to have money taken from me to pay for stuff I don’t like.

Now, of course there are some things that can’t be opted out of, like putting taxes towards repairing our roads and keeping our public libraries from going belly-up, but why should I have to put money towards the more social-related things that I don’t see eye-to-eye on?I’m sure both liberals and conservatives can agree there are things they’d rather not have their taxes go towards. For the sake of freedom people ought to have the right to choose what they’re willing to afford. It’s not nice to have to keep having your paycheck gouged to be put towards things you disagree with, or even passionately oppose.

My friends, we should support the right of the people to decide what we want to pay taxes towards, and what it is of true value that all should pay for. Conservatives shouldn’t have their money forcefully funneled towards liberal causes, and liberals shouldn’t have their money forcefully funneled towards conservative causes. It’s about you, the precious people, and your right to decide where your money should go.

It ought to be said that most Americans don’t like taxes. It’s money that’s basically stolen from you, legally. Lol. It’s your money that you’ve busted your hump to get, but it’s then taken and put towards stuff that you may just not like. Guys, I’ve got a few examples of weird taxes that you, the people, should be allowed to choose if you want to pay for:



Sliced Bagel Tax

You might want to think twice about getting that schmear. In New York City, bagels that are sliced or prepared are subject to sales tax, whereas whole bagels are not, according to the Wall Street Journal.

15 Totally Bizarre U.S. Taxes

Yeah, people, a bagel tax. Now, I’m like you. Bagels are sacred, especially those precious morsels that have peanut butter and strawberry jelly schmeared on them. Don’t you, dear and precious people, want to have to pay to get your bagels schmeared? WHAT WORLD DO WE LIVE IN?! What next, a burger tax in Wisconsin that affects all burgers that have more than one patty of meat? If we get a cheese tax in WI, there will be riots.



Pet Tax

If you live in Durham, North Carolina, you could be paying a tax on Rover. The state charges a $10 tax for neutered and spayed pets and $75 for pets that are not neutered or spayed, according to Turbo Tax.

15 Totally Bizarre U.S. Taxes

Oh look, a tax in North Carolina on pets. So… you get taxed $75 if you pet isn’t fixed. You know what I want to fix? This stupid tax! Where do these bureaucratic schmucks in stuffy suits get the idea that furry pets should be taxed? I suppose reptiles and fish are exempt, but cats and dogs aren’t. This is a bogus tax that we shouldn’t have to pay for if we don’t want to.



Elderly Tax Exemption

By the time you're 100, you've paid enough in taxes, at least according to the state of New Mexico, where people over 100 years old are tax-exempt.

15 Totally Bizarre U.S. Taxes

See, this is why I don’t believe in taxes and why I take with a grain of salt every written word and intangible belief the hairy animal known as homo sapiens makes. Everything from laws to morals is completely arbitrary. We created these manmade hypothetical structures. We scribble words down on paper according to the stuff we think, and then we expect everyone else to follow them. If a god does exist, he must be wondering what the **** is going on with us hairy freaks. If I were a god I’d certainly be in a smiting mood.



Flush Tax

If it's yellow, let it mellow could be the motto of some Maryland and Virginia residents looking to save money. In these two states there's a tax on flushing the toilet, according to Bing.

15 Totally Bizarre U.S. Taxes

Being a cheapass, I don’t really have much of a problem with this one. I tend to water the porcelain a few times before giving my inorganic friend a heartfelt flush. Hey, it all adds up on your water bill if everyone takes a flush over the tiniest tinkle. I once flushed a fat tick down the toilet and I actually felt bad over it.



As you can see there are quite a few things people might just not want to put their hard-earned money towards. And the above examples are only the fringe taxes. We aren’t just considering the big things like abortion, gay marriage, traditional marriage, you name it. It’d probably be a happier place if people could decide that they don’t want their money to go towards voter IDs, abortions, securing our borders, or gay marriage. If we don’t change this, we may very well reach a boiling point where people have to pay for all the expenses that go towards things that they don’t agree with. It’s pretty crappy if you ask me.

At times I feel like I’ve got this big, fat mosquito ingrained in my right cheek, sucking me dry of all my money. If I don’t support abortion or our incompetent public school system, I shouldn’t have my wallet sucked by these people to pay for it. These people remind me of those “rate suckers” on those Progressive Insurance commercials. Big teeth, big mouths, little brains, little respect. I just want to smack them with a cattle prod.
Is there anything that can be done about this, so that we the people can start having a say in where our tax dollars go? And before I forget, this doesn’t apply to just Tea Partiers and conservatives. ANY American should be allowed to NOT pay taxes towards unfavorable social and political issues that require sucking money out of people. Liberals, if you know of any taxes you DON’T want to pay for, PLEASE provide them here (because I can’t think of any ). I know that the Right is more vocal about being sucked dry, but I’d like to hear from you guys to, as well as libertarians and independents about this.

I see your point but the logistics would be tough.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Self ownership and freedom. I realize your type doesn't get it. You think "all of us" and with that you want to force people to do what you think is right. Thats the difference.

Me me me is right. Nobody else is obligated to help me out, nor am I obligated to help them.

Self ownership and freedom. I bet you couldn't explain that bumper sticker phrase in 10 more posts. While I think all of us are living in America together and "my type" thinks that a society cannot be held up to any standards by voluntary contributions. Your type thinks that you shouldn't be taxed for things you don't like.

So it funny that you would take offense. No man is an island. Unless you believe otherwise. Then that's your teachers fault.

I definitely cant explain it so that you'll understand it. You want to force people to do what you believe is right. This omnipotent, do-gooder mentality is above all, conscience self authorized. You believe that forcing people to do what you want is not only necessary, but completely justified.

In short, your nothing more than a tyrant. Because this is exactly what tyrants believe.

I know you cant because it's an emotional empty phrase. You want to do only what you think is right. You are part of something called a society...community. If you want to shack up in a cave somewhere. You have the freedom to do that too.

Its almost as if you're trying to describe me as being selfish for thinking about my neighbor. I'm sorry.

 

[Mac1958]

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This narcissistic notion that we can just pay taxes on what we want may be an interesting thought experiment, but ultimately it's nothing more than mental masturbation.

Righties, do you want to avoid paying for things with which you disagree, regardless of who it hurts? Lefties, do you want to be able to practice central planning and force everyone to pay for it? The only way you'll get from here to there is to change hearts and minds through the culture. You'll have to do some heavy lifting.

This is a matter of finding a workable equilibrium, it's not about one "side" somehow "winning". Temporary legislative victories are just that, temporary.

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