You Taught The GOP A Lesson: You Want Higher Taxes So They Will Grant Your Wish

[Skull Pilot]

Social security is broke because it relies on current revenue to pay it's past obligations.

If I ran a retirement fund the way SS is run It would be broke too.

SS is broke because the money stolen from people in the first place was spent on other shit and not saved for the people it was stolen from.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I don't think it's far left to think it's patently unfair to tell someone they now have to work well into their 70's before hoping to retire.

Especially when people in their 60's are effectively unemployable.

they don't have to work into their 70s. they merely have to wait until then to collect social security

You know, every time I think you can't possibly be more of a douchebag, you prove me wrong.

Try getting hired for a job when you are in your sixties... then come back and talk to me.

Hey fuck face aren't you people always saying that SS was never meant to be the sole source of income in retirement?

Are you saying that over your entire working career that you can't save enough to live on for a few years until you can collect SS?

Fucking moron.

 

[JoeB131]

Social security is broke because it relies on current revenue to pay it's past obligations.

If I ran a retirement fund the way SS is run It would be broke too.

SS is broke because the money stolen from people in the first place was spent on other shit and not saved for the people it was stolen from.

Technically, it was put into bonds, not Spent on other stuff. Which means that Social Security can go back with those bonds, just like an investor on Wall Street can, and demand their money.

It's just the little problem of taxing wealthy douchebags at an appropriate level to make good on those bonds. If we had done that all along, we wouldn't have an issue.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey fuck face aren't you people always saying that SS was never meant to be the sole source of income in retirement?

Are you saying that over your entire working career that you can't save enough to live on for a few years until you can collect SS?

Fucking moron.

I'm not sure who "you people" are, exactly. I think that Social Security should be part of an overall plan, which includes family support, investment and the fact that by the time you are 65, your house should be paid for.

Sadly, the DOUCHEBAGS you worshipped undermined the middle class where they can't take care of their parents like humans have done throughout human history. They've turned Wall Street into a casino that can wipe out life savings, and the banks tricked a lot of those folks out of their own homes.

Seriously, I want to beat Fred Thompson with a baseball bat when I see him hawking reverse mortgages. Can't believe I supported that guy once.

 

[grunt11b]

Be proud of what you did. You taught the GOP that you don't want low taxes. You don't care if the Democrats raise your taxes and spend it faster than they can steal it from you. So I figure they're out to give you what you wanted.

How does it feel to teach those Republicans a lesson?

If you really think the GOP is going to be stupid enough to raise taxes on the middle class because the rich will be finally paying their fair share, you're delusional.

Do you really think raising taxes on only the rich will solve anything. It wont even put a dent in th deficit. All it will do is stifle job growth. Congrats, you lefties have now done your part in bringing the economy to its knees.

 

[JoeB131]

Do you really think raising taxes on only the rich will solve anything. It wont even put a dent in th deficit. All it will do is stifle job growth. Congrats, you lefties have now done your part in bringing the economy to its knees.

Bill Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy and we had 8 years of straight job growth, posted budget surpluses and had a record high stock market.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Do you really think raising taxes on only the rich will solve anything. It wont even put a dent in th deficit. All it will do is stifle job growth. Congrats, you lefties have now done your part in bringing the economy to its knees.

Bill Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy and we had 8 years of straight job growth, posted budget surpluses and had a record high stock market.

You mean 8 years of filling the tech bubble that popped in 2001?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Hey fuck face aren't you people always saying that SS was never meant to be the sole source of income in retirement?

Are you saying that over your entire working career that you can't save enough to live on for a few years until you can collect SS?

Fucking moron.

I'm not sure who "you people" are, exactly. I think that Social Security should be part of an overall plan, which includes family support, investment and the fact that by the time you are 65, your house should be paid for.

Sadly, the DOUCHEBAGS you worshipped undermined the middle class where they can't take care of their parents like humans have done throughout human history. They've turned Wall Street into a casino that can wipe out life savings, and the banks tricked a lot of those folks out of their own homes.

Seriously, I want to beat Fred Thompson with a baseball bat when I see him hawking reverse mortgages. Can't believe I supported that guy once.

You people who believe that the fucking government stealing 15% of your life time income for the off the books slush fund known as Social Security is a good thing

And people can take care of their parents if they want it's just that most of them don't want to have their parents live with them in their old age.

And really if your house isn't paid for by the time you retire because you kept refinancing every few years whose fault is that?

 

[nitroz]

We want to stop the privilege of tax cuts for those who are above middle class.

It's not "higher taxes" when you should have been paying them in the first place.
Now the people spoke, you have to cough up, and you are throwing a bitch fit.

 

[Skull Pilot]

We want to stop the privilege of tax cuts for those who are above middle class.

It's not "higher taxes" when you should have been paying them in the first place.
Now the people spoke, you have to cough up, and you are throwing a bitch fit.

How about your tax cuts?

i suppose you want to keep those right?

 

[nitroz]

We want to stop the privilege of tax cuts for those who are above middle class.

It's not "higher taxes" when you should have been paying them in the first place.
Now the people spoke, you have to cough up, and you are throwing a bitch fit.

How about your tax cuts?

i suppose you want to keep those right?

I'll pay my fair share. I have no problem with that at all.
I'll do it all up front with each paycheck so I don't have uncle sam redeeming those I-O-U's that I gave him throughout the year when taxes are due.

 

[Skull Pilot]

We want to stop the privilege of tax cuts for those who are above middle class.

It's not "higher taxes" when you should have been paying them in the first place.
Now the people spoke, you have to cough up, and you are throwing a bitch fit.

How about your tax cuts?

i suppose you want to keep those right?

I'll pay my fair share. I have no problem with that at all.
I'll do it all up front with each paycheck so I don't have uncle sam redeeming those I-O-U's that I gave him throughout the year when taxes are due.

Define fair share. And why should your fair share be a lower percentage of your income than someone else's fair share?

 

[nitroz]

How about your tax cuts?

i suppose you want to keep those right?

I'll pay my fair share. I have no problem with that at all.
I'll do it all up front with each paycheck so I don't have uncle sam redeeming those I-O-U's that I gave him throughout the year when taxes are due.

Define fair share. And why should your fair share be a lower percentage of your income than someone else's fair share?

Fair share is a flat rate across the board.

If you expect me to pay thousands of taxes, then you better give me a well paying job.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, it is not, and the suggestions I made will guarantee it into the 22nd Century.

Your extreme leftism is apparent here.

Why grandfather them in? Frankly, you'd be waiting 20 years before you saw any savings if you did that. We have a problem NOW, not in 20 years.

The real problem, those baby boomers who made good money when we used to have a middle class are being supported by a bunch of McJob earners thanks to folks like your hero, Mitt Romney, who downsized all the good paying jobs.

That's why Social Security is broke.

No one said into the 70s. All agree that those over 50 or 55 will grandfathered. Those who are younger and will live longer if they take care of themselves can accept an extra one, two, or three years.

You make assertions that don't stand up to inspection.

I don't think it's far left to think it's patently unfair to tell someone they now have to work well into their 70's before hoping to retire.

Especially when people in their 60's are effectively unemployable.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I'll pay my fair share. I have no problem with that at all.
I'll do it all up front with each paycheck so I don't have uncle sam redeeming those I-O-U's that I gave him throughout the year when taxes are due.

Define fair share. And why should your fair share be a lower percentage of your income than someone else's fair share?

Fair share is a flat rate across the board.

If you expect me to pay thousands of taxes, then you better give me a well paying job.

So you don't want tax cuts for the so called wealthy but you want a flat rate across the board?

 

[nitroz]

Define fair share. And why should your fair share be a lower percentage of your income than someone else's fair share?

Fair share is a flat rate across the board.

If you expect me to pay thousands of taxes, then you better give me a well paying job.

So you don't want tax cuts for the so called wealthy but you want a flat rate across the board?

Yep.
Give the breaks to the real middle class. They deserve it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Fair share is a flat rate across the board.

If you expect me to pay thousands of taxes, then you better give me a well paying job.

So you don't want tax cuts for the so called wealthy but you want a flat rate across the board?

Yep.
Give the breaks to the real middle class. They deserve it.

So what would this flat rate be?

 

[Koios]

So you don't want tax cuts for the so called wealthy but you want a flat rate across the board?

Yep.
Give the breaks to the real middle class. They deserve it.

So what would this flat rate be?

In a country with GNI of roughly $9.8 trillion, and federal outlays of about $3.5 trillion, a flat rate tax would need to be 35%, for balance, or circa 38 to 40% if we wish to chip away at the debt. Add about 7.5% in payroll taxes for MC/SS, not to mention state and local taxes and fees, which would fuck the middle class in the ass, percentage wise.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yep.
Give the breaks to the real middle class. They deserve it.

So what would this flat rate be?

In a country with GNI of roughly $9.8 trillion, and federal outlays of about $3.5 trillion, a flat rate tax would need to be 35%, for balance, or circa 38 to 40% if we wish to chip away at the debt. Add about 7.5% in payroll taxes for MC/SS, not to mention state and local taxes and fees, which would fuck the middle class in the ass, percentage wise.

Wrong. Way off the mark actually.

If all you want to do is replace the income tax then a low rate of 10% or less would do that and then some.

No one has proposed providing all government revenue with a flat income tax.

 

[Koios]

So what would this flat rate be?

In a country with GNI of roughly $9.8 trillion, and federal outlays of about $3.5 trillion, a flat rate tax would need to be 35%, for balance, or circa 38 to 40% if we wish to chip away at the debt. Add about 7.5% in payroll taxes for MC/SS, not to mention state and local taxes and fees, which would fuck the middle class in the ass, percentage wise.

Wrong. Way off the mark actually.

If all you want to do is replace the income tax then a low rate of 10% or less would do that and then some.

No one has proposed providing all government revenue with a flat income tax.

Okie doke. What's the math? Where are your base assumptions coming from. School me.