WTF is Happening to US?

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    Domestic issues are real, and symptomatic of why our Authoritarian views don't work. We should be promoting liberty not spitting on liberty of minority groups like gays.

    We had a huge hand in creating ISIS, which is another indicator of why our Authoritarian views don't work. We should be espousing peace, not training and arming terrorists to attack Syria, only to have them turn on our allies in Iraq. A nutcase group without a nation attacks our homeland and we dive into an endless war of attrition in the middle east. There is nothing to be done in the middle east. Us being there will not end the violence there. Us being there will only increase the odds of them hating us and coming here with a nuke on a ship into NY harbor.

    There is plenty of good news, but apparently that's not what you want to talk about.
     
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    You may have a point.

    Do you remember what the National obsession was just prior to 9/11/01?

    I mean, literally, on 9/10/01...The entire nation was seething and frothing at the mouth over one single news item.

    Do you recall what it was?
     
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    That is some light weight thinking.

    Believing the Muslums are simply evil and bent on world domination is similar to the BS that was going around during the Bush years; the terrorists hate us because of our freedom!

    The terrorists hate us because of our assistance to Israel in killing Palestinians, our overthrow of the Democratically elected government of Iran and other lethal diddling in their world.

    Without understanding this one will never find a way out of this mess.
     
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    Irony. A bunch of christians in the USA thinking they can end thousands of years of violence in the middle east by shooting at them, teaching them how to fight better, and arming them.
     
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    It's people like you who just won't admit that muslims don't care about support for Israel or interference with the middle east. You just won't face the truth. Ask yourself how much help does Nigeria give Israel? How much interference does Nigeria do in the middle east? What is Boko Haram against? Why are they killing people by the hundreds?
     
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    What do they have to complain about?
     
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    The point he was trying to make is, because Americans came close to wiping out the Native Americans, they have no complaint now that they are being wiped out themselves. There is no right of the country to continue to exist.
     
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    Are you saying muslims don't care about our support for Israel and our interference in the middle east?

    If that's the case you are too wrong thinking to discuss this.
     
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    Except that 'native Americans' busied themselves with wiping each other out for the most part, so I guess it's just a matter of ignoring history in favor of some PC narrative. They were full participants in the politics of any era they wish to pick; the 'noble savage' myth is a Hollywood creation. The western tribes might have a flimsy case after the Civil War, but not much of one, and besides, many tribes that exist today would have been wiped out by other tribes if it hadn't been for the U.S.. The Osage for example, and many other smaller tribes. Most 'disappeared' through assimilation into white culture and by disease epidemics, not 'genocide' by whites. Many were wiped out before white men ever landed here, so it's just a false analogy, and no comparison.
     
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    So politics are a zero sum game? You can't give equal attention to both foreign and domestic issues?

    No they don't. The Isis situation is just further evidence that the US shouldn't have destabilized the region and be in the business of regime change.
     

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