Discussion in 'Clean Debate Zone' started by jwoodie, Jul 1, 2014.
And what is it you're suggesting in regards to religion?
Abortion, gay marriage, and birth control; do any of those ring a bell? The religious right wants no part of any of them and will hold steadfast in their ideological mindset along with their right to own as big of a military arsenal as they want. Of course the far left wants none of this, but the far left is really not the problem. The problem is that the vast majority of Americans support a mishmash of those issues to varying degrees, but they are also realistic in the idea that very few things are absolute. That is where the problem lies with the religious right; they only believe in absolutes.
As a very simple example, I support the right to own guns, but I also support extensive registration and background checks, and I don't believe people should own enough weapons to supply an army. On abortion, I would be fine with limiting abortions to the first trimester, but I fully support the right of a woman to have the option within that time frame. The religious right may fight for time constraints on abortion, but their end goal is to eliminate it completely. Anything short of that and they will make life as miserable for anyone supporting abortion rights as is humanly possible.
The last thing, and it isn't necessarily limited to the religious right, is the outright hatred and bashing of poor people. Constantly calling the poor lazy does not win any pats on the back from reasonable Americans, but the right loves to throw that shit out there constantly. That is probably the main reason I left the Republican Party. The far right just sucks, and until that changes, the great divide will only grow greater.
Ralph Nader on his opinion that there is plenty of common ground for both sides to reach a consensus on, usually issues of far more existential importance for most Americans.
The new left-right alliance in the US - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
Don't agree entirely, but these and other issues in the article are at least starting points.
Book review: ?Unstoppable? by Ralph Nader, on building a left-right alliance - The Washington Post
Also more at the link. I'm not as optimistic as he is, but at least at the local levels and my own anecdotal experience is that there is some evidence of such 'coalitions' being very viable. Ironically it is far easier to get those reviled, evil 'Fundies' and some conservatives involved in local charity work and such things as building senior centers and the like than it is so-called 'Progressives' and neo-liberals; the latter are too busy with self-indulgence and bong hitting to be reliable show ups on a consistent basis for any long term projects.
"Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac." - George Orwell
ISIS is just the latest Boogeyman pro-war-in-Iraq forces are using to justify the eventual attack by the US. They're no threat to mainland US whatsoever. But if there's no threat, there's no way to justify re-invasion.
It's true there are far greater threats and challenges facing the world than gay marriage or immigration. But rather than confront those, the powers-that-be make up nonsensical issues to keep the proles (that'd be us) occupied.
"So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult." - George Orwell (1984)
China gets stronger while the United States is invaded by foreigners and politicians talk about gay marriage. We are a nation of lazy cry baby Democrats.
Before crying too much about invasion by foreigners, go make that complaint to a Native Nations member.
America is sliding into decay. We are in the dependency stage of a nation...
Our roots were Christian, whether people like it or not. We have lost our faith, ethics, and morality.
We've traded the traditional values of family for greed, lust, and perversions. And we fail and attack each other, both blaming the other.
we are no longer Americans. We are Blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians, gays, republicans, democrats, religious right, you name it. each concerned with our own special interests. not the interests of the country
Even Rome fell.
Separate names with a comma.