WSJ: Former President Trump Is Obviously Innocent Based On The Presidential Records Act

[Marener]

Not this time.

I get tired of repeating myself.

For starters, the Judicial Watch lawsuit is nothing like what we are currently facing.

Judicial Watch was trying to force NARA to demand Clinton’s tapes back, which were very arguably personal records. The decision centered around the fact that there was no legal way to force the archives to do anything. The archivist has discretion in managing records and some rando can’t force them to bend to their will.

The decision didn’t have anything to do with agreeing that Clinton could declare anything personal records. In fact, it specifically sidesteps the issue.

 

[Leo123]

Ever consider that they have to have someplace to stay that is close by when guarding him? They are there to guard the former president and his wife, NOT the estate.

C'mon. I thought you were smarter than that, but apparently I was mistaken.

Ever consider you don't know shit? Prove there is no security at Mar A Lago.

 

[Marener]

Ever consider you don't know shit? Prove there is no security at Mar A Lago.

Why are you arguing about security? It’s irrelevant.

 

[Skylar]

'Although the indictment against Donald Trump doesn’t cite the Presidential Records Act, the charges are predicated on the law. The indictment came about only because the government thought Mr. Trump took records that didn’t belong to him, and the government raided his house to find any such records.

This should never have happened. The Presidential Records Act allows the president to decide what records to return and what records to keep at the end of his presidency.

And the National Archives and Records Administration can’t do anything about it. I know because I’m the lawyer who lost the “Clinton sock drawer” case.'

Then again, Donald Trump is being pursued / tried by Stallinist/ Maoist extremists who have demonstrated they care more about power and using that power to destroy their political enemies and crush rhose who oppose their policies and agendas than they care about the Constitution and Rule of Law.

https://archive.ph/t2f6w

So your current working theory is that classified national security docs were 'personal records'?

Laughing......good fucking luck with that one.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Prove a document wasn't declassified while Trump was POTUS. Remember, a POTUS does not need anyone to O.K. declassification. He can do it at a moment's notice.

There is a process , fool. He can't declassifty anything without anyone knowing it

Can a President Declassify Documents and How Does the Process Work?

Former President Donald Trump claimed this week that he had the authority to declassify documents just by thinking about it. While presidents have broad authority to declassify material, but there is a detailed process unlike what Trump described. Here's a look at how declassification works.

www.nbcwashington.com

Plus there is audio of his admitting that the docs were not declassified. What the hell is wrong with you?

 

[Catsnmeters]

The FBI brought the case, part of the executive branch which Biden heads.

Do you think, based on the grand jury's indictments, that the case should have been brought?

So yes, Joe Biden is trying to jail his political opponent

No he is not.

The grand jury indicted Trump, not Biden.

Biden doesn't even know who the grand jury is.

Do you think "political opponents" are above the law? Do you think Trump can commit any crimes he wants without consequence?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Fake charge, he was not willfully withholding national defense information. Also Trump is accused of violating the ACT not of actual espionage. They have to prove he was going to commit espionage. Retaining the records is NOT a criminal offense.

Bullshit! Are you really that stupid?

 

[LeftofLeft]

I get tired of repeating myself.

For starters, the Judicial Watch lawsuit is nothing like what we are currently facing.

Judicial Watch was trying to force NARA to demand Clinton’s tapes back, which were very arguably personal records. The decision centered around the fact that there was no legal way to force the archives to do anything. The archivist has discretion in managing records and some rando can’t force them to bend to their will.

The decision didn’t have anything to do with agreeing that Clinton could declare anything personal records. In fact, it specifically sidesteps the issue.

How and why were Clinton’s tapes personal records from a legal perspective?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Even if non personal documents were found, it's not a criminal offense under the PRA.

Forget the PRA. He is charged under the espionage act. And no, you do not have to bea spy for that statute to apply.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Do you think, based on the grand jury's indictments, that the case should have been brought?


No he is not.

The grand jury indicted Trump, not Biden.

Biden doesn't even know who the grand jury is.

Do you think "political opponents" are above the law? Do you think Trump can commit any crimes he wants without consequence?

Merrick Garland assigned the looking into of Trump. The DOJ is executive branch, which is Joe Biden. Garland has been a radical, attacking conservatives and ignoring democrats.

A grand jury didn’t just emerge out of the soil to indict Trump. This was Biden/garland going after Trump.

By these standards Hillary Clinton should have easily been indicted.. but she wasn’t because she was a presidential candidate and there was still an understanding of what is inappropriate.

The democrats have torched it.. if the GOP wins in 2024, I hope they put a radical crooked AG in to make sure Biden, Pelosi, Obama, etc. are all prosecuted for the dirt theyve been involved in. It’s absolutely necessary that the left tastes their medicine. They should even prosecute whoever runs in 2028 just because they can.. and if a Democrat wins with a GOP congress/senate.. they should impeach them as many times as possible. It’s all fair game now

 

[lantern2814]

Its an OP Ed. The weight of a feather.

Yet you leftards cite Op-Eds as gospel when they slam Trump....

 

[lantern2814]

Are you people really so pathetically desparate to save the Orange Ogre's ass that you will believe anu old bullshit that you come accross?

You might want to look at this:

'Wrong in the very first sentence': Conservative shreds WSJ editorial declaring Trump innocent

The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday published an editorial written by Michael Bekesha of the right-wing organization Judicial Watch that declares former President Donald Trump innocent of any crimes based on precedent established during litigation surrounding the Presidential Records Act.The...

www.rawstory.com

Raw Sewage? STFU and you are never to comment about sources ever again after quoting that rag.

 

[Marener]

How and why were Clinton’s tapes personal records from a legal perspective?

We can look at the definitions:
The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the Presidentwhose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.

The term “personal records” means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion therof,[2] of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes—
(A)
diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;

The Clinton tapes are recordings of interviews that Clinton did with a historian discussing decisions and issues in his presidency. These are far more akin to diaries than actual presidential records based on these definitions.

 

[Catsnmeters]

First of all, you don't know there were any nuclear secrets, second, Mar-A-Lago was guarded by SS agents. Unlike Joe's garage that had boxes of documents he had no business having in the first place.

Good grief. The same old talking points. None of what you say is relevant...except for your lie about Biden's documents that he didn't know he had, which was backed up by an aide who testified under oath.

SS agents protect the President, not documents.

Is it your contention that because a Former President has lifetime SS protection, that it entitles them to violate the listed indictments? Yes or no?

 

[candycorn]

Yet you leftards cite Op-Eds as gospel when they slam Trump....

We do?

I think citing an Op Ed is silly. And of course, its dishonest to attribute it to the Wall Street Journal but I've given up expecting honesty from republicans/conservatives. The truth is a repugnant thing to conservatives.

 

[percysunshine]

The President could still declassify them.

Yet he is on tape admitting he did not. Sometimes stupid cannot be stopped.

 

[lennypartiv]

Forget the PRA. He is charged under the espionage act. And no, you do not have to bea spy for that statute to apply.

Shouldn't we be helping our allies? If we have information that could help them, shouldn't we make that information available?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Raw Sewage? STFU and you are never to comment about sources ever again after quoting that rag.

Well son, are you saying that information is incorrect? If so let's see what you got. Prove that the Orange Ogre has the power to declasssify docs by just thinking about it with his diseased mind without involving or communicating with anyone else. While your at it, try explaining the audio recording where he states that he knows that they are still classified. OR you can just SHUT THE FUCK UP

 

[percysunshine]

For what it is worth, listening to NROs Andy McCarthy (former US Attorney) and he does not see this indictment reaching trial before the elections. Because the indictment includes classified document charges and not just obstruction, each of the 31 documents has to be seperately addresed as to whether of not it can be included as evidence with or without redactions. So we can probably assume there will be no trial before the election, only political rhetoric. Yuck.

 

[toobfreak]

The government’s position was that Congress had decided that the president and the president alone decides what is a presidential record and what isn’t. He may take with him whatever records he chooses at the end of his term.

Perhaps JackOfNoTrades can step in here and regale ourselves of his illustrious insights and wisdoms because Jack knows just what policies and procedures Trump violated which put president Trump in legal jeopardy to have his liberties removed for the rest of his life for!