Wow - "Hide the Decline" Fully Exposed

[saveliberty]

Thanks code1211. In addition to the raw data itself, it is very telling that these sites were long standing data collection locations. You would expect the least amount of manipulation needed there, but yet we see this gross conclusion.

 

[DiamondDave]

Interesting, code

thanks

 

[edthecynic]

So it was okay to use the proxy data for the earlier years to show lower temperatures, and thus boulster the dramatic increase so desired by climatologists? You also miss the point that proxy data actually showed a decrease in temps and that was left off the graph entirely, so as to not raise questions about the process. A clear move to deceive that is even mentioned in the emails.

And let us use the real data shall we? Youwant to use it so bad right? Okay, then let's look at 1999 to present direct instrument data. The data that shows temperatures have been DECREASING.

BALONEY!!!

The decade of 1999 to 2008 was the WARMEST in the history of direct instrument measurement.

So the land station data shows an increas of about .6 degrees across the time from 1880 to 2008.

Check this link of the original data vs, the data now being used to find that with the adjustment alone, we have accounted for about .5 degrees.

http://zapruder.nl/images/uploads/screenhunter3qk7.gif

Still awake? Here's the article that it came from:

The Devil's Kitchen: Lies, damn lies, and...

The source above is obviously biased. Try this one instead:

GISS “raw” station data – before and after « Watts Up With That?

The problem with data records is that there is always a copy of the original unless the original was destroyed before copies were made. Kudos to Had Cru for their predictive prowess in at least this.

And you get about a 1.0 degree increase from the time period 1910 to 2008.

Your "what's up with that" source is also heavily biased, but at lease they posted this little tidbit after they made their biased implications:

"Sep. 11, 2009: NOAA NCDC provided an updated file on Sept. 9 of the GHCN data used in our analysis. The new file has increased data quality checks in the tropics. Beginning Sept. 11 the GISS analysis uses the new NOAA data set. ”

It seems you CON$ just hate "increased data quality." No matter how faulty the data, as long as it supports your bias it is acceptable to you.

 

[saveliberty]

Ed, Ed, Ed... the first data collection site shows a 3.5 degree Celcius DROP in temperature. Yes we take exception to quality changes that artifically rise temperatures to support government research into a nonexistent problem. I can tell you I will do it again, if it comes up on some other research area.

The "updated" data is also at the expense of letting us have access to the raw data. This guy just happened to have some of the original data and was able to make these comparisions. We are told all sorts of wild claims like we can expect to see more extreme weather due to global warming. Hurricanes will be more frequent and of higher intensity. 2009, not a bad season at all. There will be massive coastal flooding from the melting ice caps. A three foot rise or more wiping out cities all over the globe. Okay, so apparently we have had a third to half of this stuff melting already. Where's the 18" rise in the oceans? Why can't they explain this? Because their model and research is heavily flawed.

 

[edthecynic]

Ed, Ed, Ed... the first data collection site shows a 3.5 degree Celcius DROP in temperature. Yes we take exception to quality changes that artifically rise temperatures to support government research into a nonexistent problem. I can tell you I will do it again, if it comes up on some other research area.

The "updated" data is also at the expense of letting us have access to the raw data. This guy just happened to have some of the original data and was able to make these comparisions. We are told all sorts of wild claims like we can expect to see more extreme weather due to global warming. Hurricanes will be more frequent and of higher intensity. 2009, not a bad season at all. There will be massive coastal flooding from the melting ice caps. A three foot rise or more wiping out cities all over the globe. Okay, so apparently we have had a third to half of this stuff melting already. Where's the 18" rise in the oceans? Why can't they explain this? Because their model and research is heavily flawed.

But you don't take exception to using the wrong sign to correct for Diurnal Drift when the wrong sign artificially lowers temps to support corporations that want to deny a real problem.
We have been told wild claims like we've been cooling for the last 11 years. Why can't you explain how the last decade was the warmest in the history of direct instrument measurement. Where's the new ice age? Obviously your models and research are the most flawed of all.

 

[saveliberty]

The job of Climatologists is to do careful research and report that research. Then it should be made available to the public, so that appropriate actions can be made and explanations given. Part of that is showing your data and model with proper detail. When you hide your data and can't or won't answer basic questions about your work, you are either wrong, incompetent or lieing. None of these bodes well for your career and work.

Let us say you are in the market for a oven today. You see one you like with a price sticker on it that looks like it might say $800, but it is marked out and says $1,500 over it. I tell you ovens have just been unreal to build recently and the supply has just driven prices through the roof. Someone you know has done some research and found three people who bought this exact oven for $750-900 in the last month. Six other salespersons tell you the same story I do about the supply. A customer walks in with an ad from another store showing a $900 price, but one of my sales friends grabs the ad and tears it up. Are you going to pay $1,500? Climatologists are basically oven salespersons. There is an oven warming crisis and you need to pay.

 

[frazzledgear]

Earth to Ed, come in Ed. That is not actual instrument readings. You got duped by the manipulated data again.

then post the 'real' raw data supporting your assertions or shut the fuck up already

It was your claim the numbers were instrument readings, you prove it. I'd try NASA, they have one of two sets still available. I actually feel for you Ed. It really sucks when the scientists do stuff like that and then don't tell us huh?

I guess he didn't read about their admission that they destroyed the raw data. It is important to understand this one as BASIC SCIENTIFIC PRACTICE. The raw data is ALWAYS preserved so that other scientists can verify your results. The ONLY reason to destroy it -is so they CAN'T.

NASA does have the raw data as well -and in fact are being sued to release that data under the Freedom of Information Act in a lawsuit that was filed more than two years ago -with NASA dragging their feet and fighting it every inch of the way. Eventually they will lose and be forced to release it -assuming they don't also destroy it first. LOL

 

[Xenophon]

Let's all thank the asshole that had to quote the huge graph.

 

[Oddball]

Thanks, asshole!

 

[☭proletarian☭]

hey.... car exhaust is toxic... let's foucus on that and stop bickering over whether a decade of local measurements can tell us whether those cars are having a sufficient impact on the non-linear system we know as Earth to kill everything alive. The're';s not enough data to support The Day After Tomorrow Theory, but we know for a fact that breathing car exhaust, and drinking water full of every chemical under the sun will do us in. So let's focus on that and worry about whether The Revelation of the End of the World to Al Gore the Apostle of Gaia is really the word of an omniscient Gaia given to a man who thinks the core of the planet is billions of degrees so as to save humanity later, when we have a lot more information (and hopefully more sane people on both sides).


That sound good?

 

[Oddball]

Except that those things have already been done...Ever heard of catalytic converters, EGR valves, various state tailpipe emission inspections and the clean water act? Haven't heard that the Niagara river now runs clear and Lake Erie is overrun with edible fish again?

Fact remains that no matter what you give to do-gooder authoritarian nannies, it will never ever be enough.

 

[Meister]

Except that those things have already been done...Ever heard of catalytic converters, EGR valves, various state tailpipe emission inspections and the clean water act? Haven't heard that the Niagara river now runs clear and Lake Erie is overrun with edible fish again?

Fact remains that no matter what you give to do-gooder authoritarian nannies, it will never ever be enough.

Your so right with your post, Dude. The environmentalists are made up of the fragmented socialists, and the communists that are trying to reap some power in America. They have the right person in the White House to have some effect on every living American, sad to say.
PS.....I'll say thanks asshole for the graph, too

 

[garyd]

Ditto on the graphs. The Warmest period in history predates the industrial revolution by more than half a millenia. And it was a time seena s a golden age in many world civilizations from around the world. Even if we are having global warming it isn't nearly the catastrophic event alarmists would have you believe.

for instance the Sahara Desert has in the last decade begun to shrink after having increased in size for much of the last 8k years.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Except that those things have already been done...Ever heard of catalytic converters, EGR valves, various state tailpipe emission inspections and the clean water act? Haven't heard that the Niagara river now runs clear and Lake Erie is overrun with edible fish again?

Fact remains that no matter what you give to do-gooder authoritarian nannies, it will never ever be enough.

wait... not pouring sewage and industrial waste into the water is a bad thing?

Are you retarded or just a Republican?

 

[Meister]

Except that those things have already been done...Ever heard of catalytic converters, EGR valves, various state tailpipe emission inspections and the clean water act? Haven't heard that the Niagara river now runs clear and Lake Erie is overrun with edible fish again?

Fact remains that no matter what you give to do-gooder authoritarian nannies, it will never ever be enough.

wait... not pouring sewage and industrial waste into the water is a bad thing?

Are you retarded or just a Republican?

I think you need to go back and read Dude's post again...only after you brush up on your comprehension skills.

 

[saveliberty]

Obama Faces ‘Constipagen’ on Global Warming Pact - Yahoo! News

“We’re calling it Constipagen because the line’s not moving and the talks are not moving,” said Jasmine Hyman, who works for Gold Standard Foundation of Geneva that certifies carbon offsets. She said it took her eight hours to get in.

Other issues dividing delegates include the size of emission reductions by developed nations, verifying emission reductions by developing countries and climate aid worth $100 billion a year from rich to poor nations.

This is what global warming is ALL about. Wealth distribution.

 

[saveliberty]

Gore states Arctic ice caps to completely melt in five years. In a speech to the Copenhagen Climate Summit earlier this week. You know its coming...was this speech factually based? Beck asked the source of Mr. Gore's information.

Dr. Mozlowski said, it is unclear how this figure is arrived at. I would never try to predict the likelihood of anything as exact as this. So, he came right out and said, I don't know where he got that. I've never said any such thing.

Glenn Beck - Current Events & Politics - Glenn Beck: Gore caught lying

Wow. Even his scientist friends are bailing on him.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Al Gore and his seminal "Earth in the Balance" are fine examples of peer reviewed ManMade Global Warming informational outlets

 

[Meister]

Obama Faces ‘Constipagen’ on Global Warming Pact - Yahoo! News

“We’re calling it Constipagen because the line’s not moving and the talks are not moving,” said Jasmine Hyman, who works for Gold Standard Foundation of Geneva that certifies carbon offsets. She said it took her eight hours to get in.

Other issues dividing delegates include the size of emission reductions by developed nations, verifying emission reductions by developing countries and climate aid worth $100 billion a year from rich to poor nations.This is what global warming is ALL about. Wealth distribution.

You know that this money would be going to line the pockets of politicians in those smaller undeveloped countries, and not where it's suppose to go.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Someone explain to me why anyone listens to al gore