Wow - "Hide the Decline" Fully Exposed

[Big Fitz]

Thanks code1211. In addition to the raw data itself, it is very telling that these sites were long standing data collection locations. You would expect the least amount of manipulation needed there, but yet we see this gross conclusion.

Don't forget the amount of miscalibrated and 'biased' surface stations.

Home

Most in the US have been mapped to be biased due to encroachment by development and accuracy fouling machinery. And yet we are to assume that they are always on and perfect. How accurate is the temperature records by a surface station located next to a bank of industrial AC units come august? Think it'll show an increase in temperature due to the exhaust?

It's happened and just been included without question by those who agree with the bias. Check it out yourself.

 

[Big Fitz]

hey.... car exhaust is toxic... let's foucus on that and stop bickering over whether a decade of local measurements can tell us whether those cars are having a sufficient impact on the non-linear system we know as Earth to kill everything alive. The're';s not enough data to support The Day After Tomorrow Theory, but we know for a fact that breathing car exhaust, and drinking water full of every chemical under the sun will do us in. So let's focus on that and worry about whether The Revelation of the End of the World to Al Gore the Apostle of Gaia is really the word of an omniscient Gaia given to a man who thinks the core of the planet is billions of degrees so as to save humanity later, when we have a lot more information (and hopefully more sane people on both sides).


That sound good?

That's not global warming. That's not even climatological. That's toxicology and pollution. Stop trying to confuse the two. If you don't know the danger of breathing in car exhaust which is toxic because of Carbon MONoxide... you deserve what you get.

 

[Big Fitz]

Except that those things have already been done...Ever heard of catalytic converters, EGR valves, various state tailpipe emission inspections and the clean water act? Haven't heard that the Niagara river now runs clear and Lake Erie is overrun with edible fish again?

Fact remains that no matter what you give to do-gooder authoritarian nannies, it will never ever be enough.

Your so right with your post, Dude. The environmentalists are made up of the fragmented socialists, and the communists that are trying to reap some power in America. They have the right person in the White House to have some effect on every living American, sad to say.
PS.....I'll say thanks asshole for the graph, too

They are attempting to re-establish feudalism with them as the new nobility.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

hey.... car exhaust is toxic... let's foucus on that and stop bickering over whether a decade of local measurements can tell us whether those cars are having a sufficient impact on the non-linear system we know as Earth to kill everything alive. The're';s not enough data to support The Day After Tomorrow Theory, but we know for a fact that breathing car exhaust, and drinking water full of every chemical under the sun will do us in. So let's focus on that and worry about whether The Revelation of the End of the World to Al Gore the Apostle of Gaia is really the word of an omniscient Gaia given to a man who thinks the core of the planet is billions of degrees so as to save humanity later, when we have a lot more information (and hopefully more sane people on both sides).


That sound good?

That's not global warming. That's not even climatological. That's toxicology and pollution. Stop trying to confuse the two.

Damn, you're fucking stupid

 

[Big Fitz]

hey.... car exhaust is toxic... let's foucus on that and stop bickering over whether a decade of local measurements can tell us whether those cars are having a sufficient impact on the non-linear system we know as Earth to kill everything alive. The're';s not enough data to support The Day After Tomorrow Theory, but we know for a fact that breathing car exhaust, and drinking water full of every chemical under the sun will do us in. So let's focus on that and worry about whether The Revelation of the End of the World to Al Gore the Apostle of Gaia is really the word of an omniscient Gaia given to a man who thinks the core of the planet is billions of degrees so as to save humanity later, when we have a lot more information (and hopefully more sane people on both sides).


That sound good?

That's not global warming. That's not even climatological. That's toxicology and pollution. Stop trying to confuse the two.

Damn, you're fucking stupid

Explain your ass on how you can't figure out the two are unrelated.

CO2 is not a pollutant. Let's just start there.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Doamn, you're fucking slow. Do you even understand a word of what I said?

 

[uscitizen]

The date on this thread seems to be 2-3 years too new for the subject matter.

 

[Big Fitz]

Doamn, you're fucking slow. Do you even understand a word of what I said?

I'm sorry, I don't speak libberish. Can you translate it to rationalese?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Wow.. is BF always this slow?

 

[saveliberty]

Thanks code1211. In addition to the raw data itself, it is very telling that these sites were long standing data collection locations. You would expect the least amount of manipulation needed there, but yet we see this gross conclusion.

Don't forget the amount of miscalibrated and 'biased' surface stations.

Home

Most in the US have been mapped to be biased due to encroachment by development and accuracy fouling machinery. And yet we are to assume that they are always on and perfect. How accurate is the temperature records by a surface station located next to a bank of industrial AC units come august? Think it'll show an increase in temperature due to the exhaust?

It's happened and just been included without question by those who agree with the bias. Check it out yourself.

69% of the stations are 10 meters or less from an artifical heat source.

 

[saveliberty]

hey.... car exhaust is toxic... let's foucus on that and stop bickering over whether a decade of local measurements can tell us whether those cars are having a sufficient impact on the non-linear system we know as Earth to kill everything alive. The're';s not enough data to support The Day After Tomorrow Theory, but we know for a fact that breathing car exhaust, and drinking water full of every chemical under the sun will do us in. So let's focus on that and worry about whether The Revelation of the End of the World to Al Gore the Apostle of Gaia is really the word of an omniscient Gaia given to a man who thinks the core of the planet is billions of degrees so as to save humanity later, when we have a lot more information (and hopefully more sane people on both sides).


That sound good?

That's not global warming. That's not even climatological. That's toxicology and pollution. Stop trying to confuse the two. If you don't know the danger of breathing in car exhaust which is toxic because of Carbon MONoxide... you deserve what you get.

Big Fitz and proletarian. I think you two are closer than it first appears. If I read proletarian correctly, the point is we have better and more immediate problems in the environment to address than global warming. On that point, I would agree and perhaps Big Fitz does too.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

hey.... car exhaust is toxic... let's foucus on that and stop bickering over whether a decade of local measurements can tell us whether those cars are having a sufficient impact on the non-linear system we know as Earth to kill everything alive. The're';s not enough data to support The Day After Tomorrow Theory, but we know for a fact that breathing car exhaust, and drinking water full of every chemical under the sun will do us in. So let's focus on that and worry about whether The Revelation of the End of the World to Al Gore the Apostle of Gaia is really the word of an omniscient Gaia given to a man who thinks the core of the planet is billions of degrees so as to save humanity later, when we have a lot more information (and hopefully more sane people on both sides).


That sound good?

That's not global warming. That's not even climatological. That's toxicology and pollution. Stop trying to confuse the two. If you don't know the danger of breathing in car exhaust which is toxic because of Carbon MONoxide... you deserve what you get.

Big Fitz and proletarian. I think you two are closer than it first appears. If I read proletarian correctly, the point is we have better and more immediate problems in the environment to address than global warming. .

DING!DING!DING!

Correct!

 

[DiamondDave]

And I agree that things such as ensuring that we keep toxins out of our water supply are good things for us to work on... but this global warming hoaxology path has to be abandoned

 

[☭proletarian☭]

And I agree that things such as ensuring that we keep toxins out of our water supply are good things for us to work on... but this global warming hoaxology path has to be abandoned

Finally, the thinking people arrive in the thread.

 

[saveliberty]

And I agree that things such as ensuring that we keep toxins out of our water supply are good things for us to work on... but this global warming hoaxology path has to be abandoned

Finally, the thinking people arrive in the thread.

I was going to say something yesterday proletarian, but I was more interested in pointing out misinformed people's errors. I agreed with you, so I took a pass. Yep, DiamondDave is one of the thinkers. Have a great day.

 

[edthecynic]

Thanks code1211. In addition to the raw data itself, it is very telling that these sites were long standing data collection locations. You would expect the least amount of manipulation needed there, but yet we see this gross conclusion.

Don't forget the amount of miscalibrated and 'biased' surface stations.

Home

Most in the US have been mapped to be biased due to encroachment by development and accuracy fouling machinery. And yet we are to assume that they are always on and perfect. How accurate is the temperature records by a surface station located next to a bank of industrial AC units come august? Think it'll show an increase in temperature due to the exhaust?

It's happened and just been included without question by those who agree with the bias. Check it out yourself.

69% of the stations are 10 meters or less from an artifical heat source.

You two obviously don't understand why real scientists use ANOMALIES!!!

 

[saveliberty]

Don't forget the amount of miscalibrated and 'biased' surface stations.

Home

Most in the US have been mapped to be biased due to encroachment by development and accuracy fouling machinery. And yet we are to assume that they are always on and perfect. How accurate is the temperature records by a surface station located next to a bank of industrial AC units come august? Think it'll show an increase in temperature due to the exhaust?

It's happened and just been included without question by those who agree with the bias. Check it out yourself.

69% of the stations are 10 meters or less from an artifical heat source.

You two obviously don't understand why real scientists use ANOMALIES!!!

I understand your cartoon. Fine job. Have a great day.

 

[edthecynic]

69% of the stations are 10 meters or less from an artifical heat source.

You two obviously don't understand why real scientists use ANOMALIES!!!

I understand your cartoon. Fine job. Have a great day.

But you still don't understand anomalies, and you are not even curious enough to learn!!!!

Scientists are not stupid. They know how to collect data that is USEFUL. They know that thermometers are not all calibrated the same and if a station is neat black asphalt it will read warmer temps, etc. That's why they use anomalies and not direct temp numbers. They collect data for years at the same station and then create a 20 or 30 year average for that particular station location. They then record the DEVIATION up or down from that AVERAGE which is the ANOMALY. If the station is near a heat source the average will be higher but the deviation from that average will be accurate. If the deviations trend up there is warming going on.

That is why when you see a chart of anomalies, there is a zero point and the deviation from that zero point is plotted, not the specific temp.

 

[Big Fitz]

hey.... car exhaust is toxic... let's foucus on that and stop bickering over whether a decade of local measurements can tell us whether those cars are having a sufficient impact on the non-linear system we know as Earth to kill everything alive. The're';s not enough data to support The Day After Tomorrow Theory, but we know for a fact that breathing car exhaust, and drinking water full of every chemical under the sun will do us in. So let's focus on that and worry about whether The Revelation of the End of the World to Al Gore the Apostle of Gaia is really the word of an omniscient Gaia given to a man who thinks the core of the planet is billions of degrees so as to save humanity later, when we have a lot more information (and hopefully more sane people on both sides).


That sound good?

That's not global warming. That's not even climatological. That's toxicology and pollution. Stop trying to confuse the two. If you don't know the danger of breathing in car exhaust which is toxic because of Carbon MONoxide... you deserve what you get.

Big Fitz and proletarian. I think you two are closer than it first appears. If I read proletarian correctly, the point is we have better and more immediate problems in the environment to address than global warming. On that point, I would agree and perhaps Big Fitz does too.

Yep. that's exactly it. And none of it has anything to do with climate.

 

[saveliberty]

You two obviously don't understand why real scientists use ANOMALIES!!!

I understand your cartoon. Fine job. Have a great day.

But you still don't understand anomalies, and you are not even curious enough to learn!!!!

Scientists are not stupid. They know how to collect data that is USEFUL. They know that thermometers are not all calibrated the same and if a station is neat black asphalt it will read warmer temps, etc. That's why they use anomalies and not direct temp numbers. They collect data for years at the same station and then create a 20 or 30 year average for that particular station location. They then record the DEVIATION up or down from that AVERAGE which is the ANOMALY. If the station is near a heat source the average will be higher but the deviation from that average will be accurate. If the deviations trend up there is warming going on.

That is why when you see a chart of anomalies, there is a zero point and the deviation from that zero point is plotted, not the specific temp.

Friend Ed. The anomaly chart you are showing is the mean difference of temperature over time. An average difference in annual temperture. We agree that is what is chart is supposed to show. It is wrong because they have not corrected data in many instances. You are using anomaly in two senses here. (Note bold sentence) I would call that one data correction. I looked on some other climate thread. One of them had a map and graph of the US stations and how extra warm many of them were due to being within 10 meters of a heat source. Sorry I didn't find it. It was really useful (well, useful if you agree with me)