Would you vote for an atheist

[Cecilie1200]

I'd vote for an Atheist if the person shared my political views..

That would never happen because Atheists are generally immoral and careless and its do to their lack of belief in God.

Not all but the majority are.

They're also ignorant people because many adore the lie of "separation of church and state" which doesn't even exist.

You're correct because there was no 'Separation of Church And State' ever mentioned in the Constitution. That term came from a letter from Jefferson to the Baptists in Danbury, Conneticut.

The First Amendment was crafted for the expressed purpose of Liberty of the individual to practice as they pleased, and the Government had no say in the matter. And the fact that there would be NO Govcernment sanctioned religion as was the case with England.

And since Thomas Jefferson had fuck-all to do with the writing and signing of the Constitution, my interest in his interpretation thereof is limited.

 

[Baron]

Only a Christian can be POTUS, not an atheist or even a Muslim are worthy.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I'd vote for an Atheist if the person shared my political views..

That would never happen because Atheists are generally immoral and careless and its do to their lack of belief in God.

Not all but the majority are.

They're also ignorant people because many adore the lie of "separation of church and state" which doesn't even exist.

You're correct because there was no 'Separation of Church And State' ever mentioned in the Constitution. That term came from a letter from Jefferson to the Baptists in Danbury, Conneticut.

The First Amendment was crafted for the expressed purpose of Liberty of the individual to practice as they pleased, and the Government had no say in the matter. And the fact that there would be NO Govcernment sanctioned religion as was the case with England.

So you don't find religious beliefs influencing laws to be sanctioning them?

Or forcing religious views into the education system (which is funded completely by state) to be sanctioning them?

Okay, please add "sanction" to your rapidly-increasing vocabulary list. There are just ALL KINDS of words you use without knowing the meaning of them.

No, dimwit, allowing individual people to participate in government regardless of their beliefs is not "the government sanctioning their religion".

And I don't recall ANYONE advocating forcing religious views into the education system in this thread. Certainly the person you were putatively responding to said no such thing. Again, perhaps you could limit yourself to arguing against the WORDS ACTUALLY COMING FROM OTHERS, instead of arguing against what you think they think, and putting your words into their mouths.

 

[Cecilie1200]

So you don't find religious beliefs influencing laws to be sanctioning them?

Or forcing religious views into the education system (which is funded completely by state) to be sanctioning them?

When in the causes of LIBERTY of The Individual as we all are born, and laid out in the Declaration Of Independence? Guess where *I* Side?


Shouldn't take many brain cells to noodle it out...

The Declaration of Independence isn't where the laws of the US come from, Sir. It is ENTIRELY irrelevant to the point.

So you don't believe that the Declaration of Independence is an accurate representation of who and what the Founders intended our country to be, and the ideal to which they then aspired when making our laws?

 

[Cecilie1200]

You're obviously not equipped for the task you're trying to undertake.

In other words, you're too chickenshit to back up your insistence that you, an atheist, know what a "true" Christian is or should be, and are looking for a way to run away without admitting that you're running away.

Not sure I would want to elect a poltroon as President any more than I would an arrogant narcissist.

I will no longer elect a Christian because of how you act.

There, I'm like you now.

You should be so lucky as to be like me, moron.

I have no doubt that you already did make a point of not voting for anyone who appeared to actually believe in and practice Christianity, so you can spare me both your pretense of outrage AND your erroneous belief that I would give a shit if you were outraged and offended anyway.

Don't flatter yourself, Princess.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You're correct because there was no 'Separation of Church And State' ever mentioned in the Constitution. That term came from a letter from Jefferson to the Baptists in Danbury, Conneticut.

The First Amendment was crafted for the expressed purpose of Liberty of the individual to practice as they pleased, and the Government had no say in the matter. And the fact that there would be NO Govcernment sanctioned religion as was the case with England.

Oh good morons...We have court rulings that set precedent about the separation of church and state.

They will just call that secondary, as if court rulings don't matter at all. But they will bring up their own court rulings when it supports their argument too.

That, Princess, would be because OUR court rulings actually jibe with the actual written words of the laws in question, as opposed to violating them and rewriting them wholesale.

Most people would be able to see the difference there. Let me know if you need a diagram drawn.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I would, absolutely. Look at all of the problems religion has caused worldwide throughout history.

You mean as opposed to nations that officially espoused atheism, and then perpetrated the largest wholesale slaughters in the history of humanity? Hmmm . . .

 

[Cecilie1200]

Oh good morons...We have court rulings that set precedent about the separation of church and state.

Fuck the court. They are not the final arbitors in anything. There are three branches of Government. The PEOPLE have the final say.

What DOES the Constitution say about it? And what did Jefferson say about the Judicial Branch? The most despotic? Look it up. You are no student of History.

Predictable at best.

Yeah, well, when you tell the truth, you don't generally have to change what you say. Especially when the lies never change, either.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Just imagine if a highly qualified ATHEIST announced his/her candidacy for president in the current political/religious climate. The religious extremists would go nuts. There would probably even be bloodshed - possibly major bloodshed. In fact, I can't imagine even if an Atheist won the presidential election that he/she would ever live to see the Oval Office. It would make bombing abortion clinics seem minor in comparison. I really believe that.

Oh, what-the-fuck-ever. Your insane bigotry has finally driven you totally around the delusional bend. "Bloodshed". All I hear is you projecting YOUR idea of potentially acceptable behavior onto everyone else.

Call me when you can find an example of organized Christian atrocities anywhere in the last century, let alone a list to rival those of officially godless, atheist states, and we'll talk. Otherwise, go find a good therapist and work out this lunatic paranoia of yours, would you?

You do know that they cite Timmy McVeigh, Abotion Clinic bombers...and others...so beware.

Timothy McVeigh was no more a Christian than I am an Arabic Muslim. As for abortion clinic bombers, I don't consider them representative of all Christianity any more than I consider Timothy McVeigh representative of all agnostics, which was actually what he professed to believe.

As Ann Coulter has pointed out, the left seems to automatically assume that all white men who know how to use guns are Christian conservatives. Perhaps it's because they so desperately WANT a terrorist who's not either Muslim or a leftist.

 

[Ernie S.]

I agree.

Religion does not equal zealotry.

Atheism often does, though.

By that EXACT same logic, all religious people are extremists.


Please do not enforce your generalizations on us.

Did you know most Buddhists are considered by definition to be atheist right? Some Hindu's also.

Atheist doesn't mean a lack of religion, just a lack of belief in the existence of any deity.

It's not a belief, it's simply a state of lacking a belief.

Hopefully this information will cure a lot of the propaganda that has been spread against atheists. Though people are notorious for having tunnel vision.

Then why are do so many atheists here spend an inordinate amount of time insulting the beliefs of Christians?
Are you OK with Atheists who call my God "Invisible Sky Daddy?

 

[Ernie S.]

For every one MountainMan, there are 10 Lakotas and 10 Richard Hs.

That 20:1 odds against getting a reasonable Mountain Man.

I have yet to ever meet an atheist who genuinely respected other beliefs enough to be comfortable having one in the White House, with executive powers relating to the freedoms of others.

Maybe they exist, I don't know. But I automatically distrust any belief system arrived at from the idea that one is inherently smarter and superior to others.

And your own statement doesn't strike you as inherently egotistical and self-righteous...why?

Besides the fact that atheism isn't a belief system.

WTF? Religion is based of belief in a supreme being. It is the opposite of the egotism of atheism.
If Atheism is not a belief system, why do you seem to be a missionary for the cause?

 

[The T]

I have yet to ever meet an atheist who genuinely respected other beliefs enough to be comfortable having one in the White House, with executive powers relating to the freedoms of others.

Maybe they exist, I don't know. But I automatically distrust any belief system arrived at from the idea that one is inherently smarter and superior to others.

And your own statement doesn't strike you as inherently egotistical and self-righteous...why?

Besides the fact that atheism isn't a belief system.

WTF? Religion is based of belief in a supreme being. It is the opposite of the egotism of atheism.
If Atheism is not a belief system, why do you seem to be a missionary for the cause?

Atheists tend to vote for Big Government as thier Religion. Just ask anyone from the former Soviet Bloc...

 

[Photonic]

Atheism often does, though.

By that EXACT same logic, all religious people are extremists.


Please do not enforce your generalizations on us.

Did you know most Buddhists are considered by definition to be atheist right? Some Hindu's also.

Atheist doesn't mean a lack of religion, just a lack of belief in the existence of any deity.

It's not a belief, it's simply a state of lacking a belief.

Hopefully this information will cure a lot of the propaganda that has been spread against atheists. Though people are notorious for having tunnel vision.

Then why are do so many atheists here spend an inordinate amount of time insulting the beliefs of Christians?
Are you OK with Atheists who call my God "Invisible Sky Daddy?

So what? Do you have the statistics on the assertion that all atheists do that? Just because they are more vocal does not make them the majority.

I am atheist and I don't agree with calling someones deity an invisible sky daddy. DO I believe what they say? Sure. I don't agree with them asserting that on other people though!

I doubt Buddhists call your God that, or some Hindu's who are atheist. Or the many pagans who believe the Goddess is simply a name for the universe. Or scientific pantheists.

Any denomination that doesn't believe in a deity is an atheist. It's like categorizing all theists as people that push their theism on other people. Do you get what I mean?

Vocality is not equivalent to majority.

 

[alan1]

For every one MountainMan, there are 10 Lakotas and 10 Richard Hs.

That 20:1 odds against getting a reasonable Mountain Man.

I have yet to ever meet an atheist who genuinely respected other beliefs enough to be comfortable having one in the White House, with executive powers relating to the freedoms of others.

Maybe they exist, I don't know. But I automatically distrust any belief system arrived at from the idea that one is inherently smarter and superior to others.

Nice to make yer acquaintance, Cecilie, I'm MountainMain and I respect most religious beliefs (I do have a problem with $cientologists and I freely admit that).

My lack of belief in religion or a deity does not mean I think myself smarter or superior to others. I just differ in opinion and belief from others that choose religion.

 

[The T]

Oh, what-the-fuck-ever. Your insane bigotry has finally driven you totally around the delusional bend. "Bloodshed". All I hear is you projecting YOUR idea of potentially acceptable behavior onto everyone else.

Call me when you can find an example of organized Christian atrocities anywhere in the last century, let alone a list to rival those of officially godless, atheist states, and we'll talk. Otherwise, go find a good therapist and work out this lunatic paranoia of yours, would you?

You do know that they cite Timmy McVeigh, Abotion Clinic bombers...and others...so beware.

Timothy McVeigh was no more a Christian than I am an Arabic Muslim. As for abortion clinic bombers, I don't consider them representative of all Christianity any more than I consider Timothy McVeigh representative of all agnostics, which was actually what he professed to believe.

As Ann Coulter has pointed out, the left seems to automatically assume that all white men who know how to use guns are Christian conservatives. Perhaps it's because they so desperately WANT a terrorist who's not either Muslim or a leftist.

Great points, all. Target hit.

 

[The T]

Fuck the court. They are not the final arbitors in anything. There are three branches of Government. The PEOPLE have the final say.

What DOES the Constitution say about it? And what did Jefferson say about the Judicial Branch? The most despotic? Look it up. You are no student of History.

Predictable at best.

Yeah, well, when you tell the truth, you don't generally have to change what you say. Especially when the lies never change, either.

Ouch.

 

[Photonic]

You do know that they cite Timmy McVeigh, Abotion Clinic bombers...and others...so beware.

Timothy McVeigh was no more a Christian than I am an Arabic Muslim. As for abortion clinic bombers, I don't consider them representative of all Christianity any more than I consider Timothy McVeigh representative of all agnostics, which was actually what he professed to believe.

As Ann Coulter has pointed out, the left seems to automatically assume that all white men who know how to use guns are Christian conservatives. Perhaps it's because they so desperately WANT a terrorist who's not either Muslim or a leftist.

Great points, all. Target hit.

Then how is such vapid generalizations being applied to atheists too? You don't find that even slightly off?

 

[The T]

When in the causes of LIBERTY of The Individual as we all are born, and laid out in the Declaration Of Independence? Guess where *I* Side?


Shouldn't take many brain cells to noodle it out...

The Declaration of Independence isn't where the laws of the US come from, Sir. It is ENTIRELY irrelevant to the point.

So you don't believe that the Declaration of Independence is an accurate representation of who and what the Founders intended our country to be, and the ideal to which they then aspired when making our laws?

Precisely the intent of the Founders when they sent it to King George III.

They explained WHY they were doing what they were and at the end of the day? The Constitution accentuated the point over the imperfect Articles of Confederation that were too much like a Democracy.

 

[Photonic]

The Declaration of Independence isn't where the laws of the US come from, Sir. It is ENTIRELY irrelevant to the point.

So you don't believe that the Declaration of Independence is an accurate representation of who and what the Founders intended our country to be, and the ideal to which they then aspired when making our laws?

Precisely the intent of the Founders when they sent it to King George III.

They explained WHY they were doing what they were and at the end of the day? The Constitution accentuated the point over the imperfect Articles of Confederation that were too much like a Democracy.

Declaring war and independence is not the same as laying down a system of laws. They understood this when they failed at the Articles of Confederation, hence why we now have a very different constitution.

 

[GHook93]

I question the existence of God on many occasions. At one point I considered myself an atheist. Now I consider myself an somewhat of agnostic thankful I live in a Christian nation!

Personally I prefer a President who is a god fearing man or woman over someone who only fears man! When a man as powerful as the US President doesn't fear a higher being and only fears man, but is so powerful that he has no man to fear, I would be scared! See Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler (catered to the Christians, but was very much an atheist). Not too mention atheist usually fall in the communist/socialist/far leftist camp!

Of course I would fear an Muslim President 100 fold more than an atheist!