Would you support renewable no matter what the climate does?

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  1. Matthew
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    Would you support renewables no matter what the climate does? Yes, as I feel wind, solar and wave energy have a place and must be developed. Honestly, I feel there's a market for it and climate plays no part in my support for it.

    Electric cars=
    Lower imports from the middle east

    Solar, wind, wave=energy we don't have to pound out of the ground. Making it easier.
     
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    Yeah sure!
     
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    I support renewables regardless. I just don't support them at the expense of other industries.
     
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    Far too expensive and not competitive in this country. Not even debatable anymore. Natural gas is where it's gonna be at for at least the next 25 years.......as well as clean coal. Wind and solar are 20th century technologies.


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    Graphs like this absolutely kill the k00ks..........but it is what it is. There are about 1,000 similar graphs out there.
     
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    That graph hasn't changed much over the years.
    Nor will it in the future.
     
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    Not according to the bubble people.:D
     
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    ORLY?

    Where do you think the taconite and coke for the steel to build the towers for those goofy windmills comes from?

    Where do you suppose we'll get the copper for the windings in the electrical armatures?

    All those moving parts need lubrication...Where do you imagine all that oil and grease is going to come from?

    Will the silicon and cadmium for solar panels manufacture itself?
     
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    So far, you've mentioned the half that makes harnessing these difficult energy customers expensive. You should hear engineers talk about "energy inefficiency" of the monumentally elusive splurges of waste in and near where green artifacts are supposed to be doing the job of supplying man with unlimited power!

    Unfortunately, the electrical engineering vocabulary is so specialized, many Green enthusiasts have their extreme negativism on ignore, and hucksters are quick to take advantage of this capacity for intellectual omission in the rob-the-treasury equation for routing public taxpayers' money where the quantity makes them quiver with covetous longing.

    Just sayin' :eusa_whistle:

    We're talking that for the 100% of the inflow of energy, there is output of 5% on a good day. IOW, Green energy is a big FAIL. And why should taxpayers have to be forking over billions and billions of dollars to pour into failed enterprises that are still using the same theories to create more efficiency failure than we can even wrap our heads around.
     
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    I support sound design, good engineering and results.. Renewables have a place in all that. But I imagine that place is OFF-GRID pumping out stored energy products like hydrogen, desalinized water and biofuels..

    You can't run an advanced civilization with statistically flaky sources of power. When we accept those better renewable ideas as SUPPLEMENTS and not replacements for primary sources of power and APPLY them properly --- I'll fully support that...
     
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    I agree with Flacaltenn, when renewables become more efficient than the energy systems they wish to replace they will replace them. Until that time they are a drag on the economy and on scientific research because there really is no need (the way they are subsidized) to get any better.
     
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