Would you agree to the assertion that the US is the rightful property of the Democratic Party?

[BULLDOG]

The US is a Liberal Nation. If you aren't liberal then you are un-American. Now you know.

If you are anti-Federal Republic and anti-Constitution which is the vast majority of libs in both parties, then you are un-American.
Libs today are against and are totally opposite of classical liberal ideology.

Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government.

Complete and utter BS!

That is just the feckless Libertarian attempt to hijack the definition of liberalism.

The Founding Fathers were no different to the liberals of today. They would LOL at Libertarians for being witless impractical fools who don't have a clue as to how to actually run a country.

Did they or did they not fight a war to get away from big overbearing government?

They fought a war to realize our independence, to acknowledge the creation of a new Nation, and to establish a Constitutional Republic where citizens are subject solely to the rule of law, not men – as men are incapable of ruling justly, having nothing to do with the 'size' of government, or whether government is subjectively perceived to be 'overbearing.'

Indeed, the Framing Generation made no mention as to the 'size' of government, or the ridiculous notion of government being 'too big.' They acknowledged and codified the right of the people to challenge government overreach by filing suit in Federal court, where measures found to be repugnant to the Constitution are invalidated, and those measures determined to comport with the Constitution just and proper; that some on the right incorrectly perceive necessary, proper, and Constitutional measures to be 'overbearing' is ridiculous and ignorant.

Yes they did.
The framers of the Constitution granted a few expressed powers to the national government, reserving the remainder of powers to the states.
This is being totally ignored today.

I can't find any reference to the government getting too big in the constitution. Where did you find that?

 

[BULLDOG]

Rights in the Constitution. Hamilton was wary of articulating specific restrictions on federal power, for he felt it was clear that the default position of the federal government was an absence of power, and any specific power existed only by grant from the Constitution:

[A Bill of Rights] would contain various exceptions to powers not granted; and, on this very account, would afford a colorable pretext to claim more than were granted. For why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do?

—Alexander Hamilton (1788), Federalist No. 84
These observations foreshadow passage of the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, ratified three years later, which codified the doctrine of enumerated powers:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

—Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, ratified 1791
The principle expressed in Federalist No. 45 was later echoed by Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story:

The Constitution was, from its very origin, contemplated to be the frame of a national government, of special and enumerated powers, and not of general and unlimited powers.

—Justice Joseph Story (1833)[1]
Perhaps vindicating Hamilton's opinion that, at least in the case of the Tenth Amendment (an original component of the Bill of Rights he rallied against), articulating restrictions of federal power were unnecessary, the Supreme Court found in United States v. Sprague (1931) that

The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the states or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified...

—Justice Owen Roberts (1931)[2]

Federalist No. 45 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The federalist papers are not part of the constitution or any other governing law of our country.

 

[BULLDOG]

OP the left are more evil than you realize. Its not just the country they feel is their property, its the people in it. Call it what you want the progressive left supports a form of slavery, in this case to the state. African Americans have gone from the southern plantations to the Democratic party plantations.

They didn't have a choice about being on the plantations, but they do about the party they support. Does that bother you?

 

[BULLDOG]

They fought a war for equal representation in that government

If that was true, they would not have disbanded from the English Government.
They fought a war to get away from huge government controlling them.

No they fought a war because they not represented by the government. All they wanted was representation. They government today is a representative government. Why do you have a problem with the government that the FF's put their lives on the line for?

We don't have a representative government for the people today.
They only represent special interests groups now.
This is why people on both sides are angry with them.

That has nothing to do with the size of the government. If you want to stop the corruption of our representatives then push for a constitutional amendment making it illegal to bribe them with campaign contributions and outside funding. And yes, it was the conservatives on the SCOTUS that passed Citizens United allowing corporations to buy your representatives. And it was the conservatives in the House that raised the limits on spending by individuals to excessive levels.

Your problem is of your own making. Stop blaming this phony "big government" deflection and focus your attention on doing what is needed to stop the problem. Demand a constitutional amendment to outlaw all election funding.

Most of us on both sides have been trying to do that but neither party will do it.
Until you accept that both parties are to blame and both parties are corrupt we won't get anything done as a united people.
Like I said they are not representing we the people but they are representing the special interests groups.

The 10th amendment has everything to do with the size of government.

Bullshit. Republicans have blocked every effort to limit money in politics.

 

[Derideo_Te]

It's your head that is in the wrong place about thinking big government works. The bigger it gets the less freedom we have.

Your ignorance is palpable!

The USA has one of the smallest governments of any nation. Only the gullible swallow the canard that we are the "victims" of "big government". The facts prove that there is no "big government".

The problem is your beloved Libertarian Koch bros now control the GOP and the TP as fully owned subsidiaries of Koch Industries and you will keep on voting for that even though it is the reason why there is an $18 trillion deficit.

 

[eagle1462010]

Rights in the Constitution. Hamilton was wary of articulating specific restrictions on federal power, for he felt it was clear that the default position of the federal government was an absence of power, and any specific power existed only by grant from the Constitution:

[A Bill of Rights] would contain various exceptions to powers not granted; and, on this very account, would afford a colorable pretext to claim more than were granted. For why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do?

—Alexander Hamilton (1788), Federalist No. 84
These observations foreshadow passage of the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, ratified three years later, which codified the doctrine of enumerated powers:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

—Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, ratified 1791
The principle expressed in Federalist No. 45 was later echoed by Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story:

The Constitution was, from its very origin, contemplated to be the frame of a national government, of special and enumerated powers, and not of general and unlimited powers.

—Justice Joseph Story (1833)[1]
Perhaps vindicating Hamilton's opinion that, at least in the case of the Tenth Amendment (an original component of the Bill of Rights he rallied against), articulating restrictions of federal power were unnecessary, the Supreme Court found in United States v. Sprague (1931) that

The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the states or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified...

—Justice Owen Roberts (1931)[2]

Federalist No. 45 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The federalist papers are not part of the constitution or any other governing law of our country.

The Federalist papers were articles by some of the Founding Fathers to explain the Constitution to the people and to get Ratification................

They were explaining what the new Constitution was supposed to mean, so the people could be informed. You may now proceed to the Federalist versus the anti Federalist portion of they don't matter if you choose........In the end they compromised and passed one of the Best Gov't systems in the world..................

It worked fine, until some dumb asses thought they could use tax payer money to spend on anything they deemed fair game................

Which was the beginning of the end when the time comes to pay the fiddler.

 

[eagle1462010]

It's your head that is in the wrong place about thinking big government works. The bigger it gets the less freedom we have.

Your ignorance is palpable!

The USA has one of the smallest governments of any nation. Only the gullible swallow the canard that we are the "victims" of "big government". The facts prove that there is no "big government".

The problem is your beloved Libertarian Koch bros now control the GOP and the TP as fully owned subsidiaries of Koch Industries and you will keep on voting for that even though it is the reason why there is an $18 trillion deficit.

List of government budgets by country - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[BluesLegend]

OP the left are more evil than you realize. Its not just the country they feel is their property, its the people in it. Call it what you want the progressive left supports a form of slavery, in this case to the state. African Americans have gone from the southern plantations to the Democratic party plantations.

They didn't have a choice about being on the plantations, but they do about the party they support. Does that bother you?

Hey don't get mad at me, its prominent black leaders calling the Democratic party a 'plantation'. Nothing to say? No I didn't think so.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

...its prominent black leaders calling the Democratic party a 'plantation'.

Name one?

 

[BluesLegend]

...its prominent black leaders calling the Democratic party a 'plantation'.

Name one?

I don't take orders from trolls, run along I think your mom is calling you.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

...its prominent black leaders calling the Democratic party a 'plantation'.

Name one?

I don't take orders from trolls, run along I think your mom is calling you.

Meaning, you got nothin', and that was entirely expected. And the troll is you...

 

[BluesLegend]

...its prominent black leaders calling the Democratic party a 'plantation'.

Name one?

I don't take orders from trolls, run along I think your mom is calling you.

Meaning, you got nothin', and that was entirely expected.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

...its prominent black leaders calling the Democratic party a 'plantation'.

Name one?

I don't take orders from trolls, run along I think your mom is calling you.

Meaning, you got nothin', and that was entirely expected.

Yep, you got nothin'. Just the ranting of a troll.

 

[BluesLegend]

...its prominent black leaders calling the Democratic party a 'plantation'.

Name one?

I don't take orders from trolls, run along I think your mom is calling you.

Meaning, you got nothin', and that was entirely expected.

Yep, you got nothin'. Just the ranting of a troll.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Name one?

I don't take orders from trolls, run along I think your mom is calling you.

Meaning, you got nothin', and that was entirely expected.

Yep, you got nothin'. Just the ranting of a troll.

You were given a chance to prove your statement my little troll, and you couldn't.

 

[BluesLegend]

I don't take orders from trolls, run along I think your mom is calling you.

Meaning, you got nothin', and that was entirely expected.

Yep, you got nothin'. Just the ranting of a troll.

You were given a chance to prove your statement my little troll, and you couldn't.

Your new name is Private Pile ahahaha that's perfect!

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Meaning, you got nothin', and that was entirely expected.

Yep, you got nothin'. Just the ranting of a troll.

You were given a chance to prove your statement my little troll, and you couldn't.

Your new name is Private Pile ahahaha that's perfect!

Whatever floats your childish boat my little troll.

 

[eagle1462010]

Paint this..............

 

[BULLDOG]

Rights in the Constitution. Hamilton was wary of articulating specific restrictions on federal power, for he felt it was clear that the default position of the federal government was an absence of power, and any specific power existed only by grant from the Constitution:

[A Bill of Rights] would contain various exceptions to powers not granted; and, on this very account, would afford a colorable pretext to claim more than were granted. For why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do?

—Alexander Hamilton (1788), Federalist No. 84
These observations foreshadow passage of the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, ratified three years later, which codified the doctrine of enumerated powers:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

—Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, ratified 1791
The principle expressed in Federalist No. 45 was later echoed by Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story:

The Constitution was, from its very origin, contemplated to be the frame of a national government, of special and enumerated powers, and not of general and unlimited powers.

—Justice Joseph Story (1833)[1]
Perhaps vindicating Hamilton's opinion that, at least in the case of the Tenth Amendment (an original component of the Bill of Rights he rallied against), articulating restrictions of federal power were unnecessary, the Supreme Court found in United States v. Sprague (1931) that

The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the states or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified...

—Justice Owen Roberts (1931)[2]

Federalist No. 45 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The federalist papers are not part of the constitution or any other governing law of our country.

The Federalist papers were articles by some of the Founding Fathers to explain the Constitution to the people and to get Ratification................

They were explaining what the new Constitution was supposed to mean, so the people could be informed. You may now proceed to the Federalist versus the anti Federalist portion of they don't matter if you choose........In the end they compromised and passed one of the Best Gov't systems in the world..................

It worked fine, until some dumb asses thought they could use tax payer money to spend on anything they deemed fair game................

Which was the beginning of the end when the time comes to pay the fiddler.

Who exactly do you think it was who started spending money for on anything they pleased without our laws first giving them the authority to do that? And why do you think all three branches of government let them get away with that?

 

[BULLDOG]

OP the left are more evil than you realize. Its not just the country they feel is their property, its the people in it. Call it what you want the progressive left supports a form of slavery, in this case to the state. African Americans have gone from the southern plantations to the Democratic party plantations.

They didn't have a choice about being on the plantations, but they do about the party they support. Does that bother you?

Hey don't get mad at me, its prominent black leaders calling the Democratic party a 'plantation'. Nothing to say? No I didn't think so.

So someone using the word "Plantation" translates to the left supporting slavery in your diseased little mind? That's just another reason people say the GOP is crazy.