Would We Even Have Middle Eastern Turmoil If It Wasn't For Reagan and The GOP?

[Two Thumbs]

Middle eastern turmoil is something that has been going on for many years, but has gotten worse since the Reagan admin with the worst act of course being 9/11.

Reagan essentially created the taliban, armed them, and gave them military training, which the later used against us. He even was as far as inviting them to the white house, and even stated they were the moral equivalents to america's founding fathers.

Reagan loved them so much, he even referred to them as "freedom fighters" and went as far as to name the space shuttle columbia after them.

Ronald Reagan dedicates the Space Shuttle Columbia to the Taliban - YouTube

The taliban also have stinger missiles given to them from reagan, which have been largely responsible for american aircraft being shot down.

Taliban still have Reagan's Stingers - Telegraph

Then there is Saddam, whom was BFF with the Reagan admin, even after he was gassing his own people, the Reagan admin didn't care.

Then of course there is arguably the biggest act of treason even committed, with Reagan and his GOP cabinet making illegal arms deals with Islamic extremists with the Iran/contra scandal.

It's interesting to think how things would be now if it wasn't for Reagan and the GOP's actions,...

your ability to be a complete fool is astounding.

Take a fucking bow!!!

oh and answer this if you would;

Under whose watch was the American embassy, in Iran, overrun and the people taken hostage and what party was his?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Would We Even Have Middle Eastern Turmoil If It Wasn't For Reagan and The GOP?

Reagan didn't do all that much. What really started the violence escalation was Saddam invading Kuwait. Bin Laden wanted the Arab states to turn to him to drive out Saddam, but they preferred the help of the US. Bush Sr. drove out Saddam and stopped at the border because he knew the cost of nation building. As a man who had been an officer in WWII, Head of the CIA, and Vice President, you know he put into place spies, satellites and other methods to keep tabs on Iraq.

But Bin Laden was pissed the infidels had killed Muslims on Holy Lands and this was when he began plotting the 9/11 disaster. Bush Sr. was responding to a call of help from allies. He had a duty to go to the aid of Kuwait. 9/11 is Bin Laden's fault. He chose to attack the US.

The escalation of violence came under Bush Jr. If he had gone to Afghanistan and taken out Bin Laden and left, that would have been the end of it. But instead, out of the blue and strictly from the lure of cheap oil, he invaded Iraq.

In one quick strike, Bush Jr. took the US from the defender of Muslims to a reckless bully state who wants your treasure while he kills your uncle.

The region has been violent for a couple of thousand years, but it was at that moment Bush's debacle took it to the level of escalated violence.

fucking hell has just froze over.....i agree with you on this Dean......see what happens when you look at a scenario like a normal person instead of seeing nothing but Republicans.....holy shit Dean sounding normal......

 

[kiwina]

HA HA HA HA HA HA...

The people in this area of the world have been practicing genocide for thousands of years and you want to blame it on someone else?

These are peoples who are controlled by religious leaders who breed radicalism. They have since before Islam was a religion and they continue to do it through Islam. The "common" citizen in these countries is afraid to do anything that might bring the religious wrath of the fanatics down on them, their families and the sect of the Islamic belief system. The entire culture is one of war.

If you want to blame it on one or two people then you are going to have to go back to the beginning to place that blame.

This statment is true. If you look at the Bible as history you well see the truth of this. All the way back to Aberham. It is the longest standing "Daddy liked you better" in history.

 

[blackhawk]

Please tell me this thread is a joke no one can be that stupid given the fact there has been turmoil in the middle east since before Christ. However if you want to look at just the more recent history the Taliban come into being as a result of the Soviet Union invading Afghanistan and the person most directly responsible for arming and training the Taliban was Democrat Charlie Wilson.

 

[rdean]

Please tell me this thread is a joke no one can be that stupid given the fact there has been turmoil in the middle east since before Christ. However if you want to look at just the more recent history the Taliban come into being as a result of the Soviet Union invading Afghanistan and the person most directly responsible for arming and training the Taliban was Democrat Charlie Wilson.

That's so fucking stupid on a couple of levels. He helped get money to resistance fighters in Afghanistan who were fighting the Soviets. When that war ended, there was no more money going from us to them and the country devolved into chaos. The Taliban filled the void. Where do you guys come up with this bullshit? Do right wingers sit quietly in back room rewriting history? No wonder Republicans in New Orleans think people suffered after Katrina because Obama was slow to help them.

 

[Missourian]

If you want to blame one thing for the state of the middle east today, I'd say that far and away, the biggest outside influence in the region was the British Empire.

Black Label, you need to realize that world history did not begin on the day you became self aware.

 

[Meathead]

Middle eastern turmoil is something that has been going on for many years, but has gotten worse since the Reagan admin with the worst act of course being 9/11.

Reagan essentially created the taliban, armed them, and gave them military training, which the later used against us. He even was as far as inviting them to the white house, and even stated they were the moral equivalents to america's founding fathers.

Reagan loved them so much, he even referred to them as "freedom fighters" and went as far as to name the space shuttle columbia after them.

Ronald Reagan dedicates the Space Shuttle Columbia to the Taliban - YouTube

The taliban also have stinger missiles given to them from reagan, which have been largely responsible for american aircraft being shot down.

Taliban still have Reagan's Stingers - Telegraph

Then there is Saddam, whom was BFF with the Reagan admin, even after he was gassing his own people, the Reagan admin didn't care.

Then of course there is arguably the biggest act of treason even committed, with Reagan and his GOP cabinet making illegal arms deals with Islamic extremists with the Iran/contra scandal.

It's interesting to think how things would be now if it wasn't for Reagan and the GOP's actions,...

Obviously ignorant. Carter in fact started funding the Mujaheddin. Brezhinsky, Cater's NSA famously said, Now we'll give them (the Soviets) there own Vietnam". the seizure of the embassy in Tehran was also before Reagan was elected, 444 days in fact.

Sure you dingbat, the peace-loving people of the Middle East would have remained idyllic and serene but for GOP actions.

 

[Stephanie]

.history isn't a strong suit with people just born yesterday

 

[Stephanie]

and hey here's an idea, lets talk about Reagan instead of what's going on TODAY...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Democrats HATE that Reagan armed the Mujahadeen, the very people who were fighting the Communists; it deranges them so badly they have to lie

Also, you can mark Jimmy Carter turning Iran over to the Islamists as the day the ME took a turn for the worse

 

[Stephanie]

Democrats HATE that Reagan armed the Mujahadeen, the very people who were fighting the Communists; it deranges them so badly they have to lie

Also, you can mark Jimmy Carter turning Iran over to the Islamists as the day the ME took a turn for the worse

They'll never blame anything on a Democrat...just look at today with Obama..nothing is that mans fault...but he did kill Bin laden...He helped kill Gaddafi and then left that country and the people in it to FEND for themselves....what a hero he is

 

[Freewill]

First of all I am not sure how important little facts are to the history buffs on this board but the picture of Reagan is one of him meeting with Mujahideen leaders. Remember those guys, the guys fighting against Soviet Aggression and invasion? The guys fighting against the Russians who Carter withheld wheat imports, hurting American farmers, and boycotted the Olympics? Remember? Remember how they won and the Russians were forced to leave the country?

After the Russian pull out do you folks remember us removing support? Do you remember the internal civil conflict and fight for power in Afghanistan? Do you remember some dude named Omar and the from that internal strife rose the Teliban, which had nothing to do with the support given to the Mujahideen? Yes, we certainly did some things in the ME that turned out not so well. But considering the history from Carter to Obama it seems just a tad bit of BS to blame just one side of the political spectrum. Most of our foreign policy is driven by the CIA no matter whom is in charge. The same CIA that didn't give us one actionable intelligence concerning 9/11, or if they did it certainly wasn't acted on. The same CIA, if the story is to be believed, that couldn't find a tall Arab in the ME for 10 years. No one can tell me that the CIA doesn't have enough money to bribe anyone they want. That is why I think OBL died at Tora Bora or was being used for intel until Obama needed, or thought he needed, his death as a political advantage. Either way our whole policy since Carter has been a seemingly bad one which has not resulted in what, I hope, are our goals.

 

[Freewill]

Democrats HATE that Reagan armed the Mujahadeen, the very people who were fighting the Communists; it deranges them so badly they have to lie

Also, you can mark Jimmy Carter turning Iran over to the Islamists as the day the ME took a turn for the worse

They'll never blame anything on a Democrat...just look at today with Obama..nothing is that mans fault...but he did kill Bin laden

Obama killed OBL?? Was Obama at Tora Bora?

 

[Stephanie]

Democrats HATE that Reagan armed the Mujahadeen, the very people who were fighting the Communists; it deranges them so badly they have to lie

Also, you can mark Jimmy Carter turning Iran over to the Islamists as the day the ME took a turn for the worse

They'll never blame anything on a Democrat...just look at today with Obama..nothing is that mans fault...but he did kill Bin laden

Obama killed OBL?? Was Obama at Tora Bora?

according to his cult members he was...

 

[Freewill]

Maybe radical lefties have selected memories but the Iran/Contra issue wasn't about the Mid-East. It was about (illegal?) use of funding to protect American interests from communist control in Central America. Reagan allegedly violated an amendment slipped into a Military appropriations bill by a left wing senator named Boland that cut off funding for National defense. The Iran crisis happened when president Jimmie Carter became confused about how to handle jihad criminals who kidnapped American citizens.

Maybe radical right wing morons should educate themselves that Reagan and his GOP cronies made illegal arms deals with islamic extremists in Iran.

Maybe left wing morons can remember when the US armed Russia during WW2. America also supported Castro before the Kennedy brothers became fixated in killing him. Russia was the enemy when Reagan armed Taliban fighters to shoot down Russian helicopters. Shit happens regardless of left wing selected memories. It's not the arms but the policies that have gotten the US in trouble. Jimmie Carter thought he could bend over and the jihad would not kick him in the ass. Bill Clinton ignored the first attack on the WTC and bombed a defenseless country in Europe while 9-11 terrorists were attending US flight schools. Barry Hussein went on a two year binge of apology tours and he thought the jihad would respect the US if we we pretend to be a 3rd world country.

Whitehall, it wasn't the Taliban it was the Mujahedeen whom we supported against the Russians.

 

[eagle1462010]

I refuse to answer the poll because Carter isn't there.

 

[Stephanie]

I refuse to answer the poll because Carter isn't there.

you notice that huh? now WHY IS THAT?
this thread is joke that's why

 

[Katzndogz]

This is an indication of just how deeply obama wounded the democrats. The only surprise is that they haven't gone all the way back to the racist Crusaders and blamed King Richard for being a white man.

obama is a failure. Deal with it. Stop blaming others.

 

[Black_Label]

I refuse to answer the poll because Carter isn't there.

Carter invited the taliban to the white house and put them on the same level as the founding fathers?

Carter loved the islamists so much he dedicated the space shuttle columbia to them?

Carter made illegal arms deals with iran/contra?

Do tell,...

 

[Stephanie]

This is an indication of just how deeply obama wounded the democrats. The only surprise is that they haven't gone all the way back to the racist Crusaders and blamed King Richard for being a white man.

obama is a failure. Deal with it. Stop blaming others.

yep