Would this be considered racial profiling?

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    An Arizona state trooper is patrolling the northern part of the state. He sees a vehicle travelling 75 in a 55 zone and pulls it over. He immediately sees 5 white men with blonde, close crop hair, blue eyes and wearing clothing that is not of normal fashion. Such as out-dated polo shirts, bland jeans that are close fitting, etc. The back windshield has a Soviet Union flag sticker that is faded and worn. The tags are expired Washington tags.

    While speaking to the 5 men, the officer advised them of the speeding violation, and none could provide any USA driver's license, social security card or passport. All spoke broken English with a strong Eastern European accent. When asked where they live, they all say they are just visiting friends. A check through his dispatch of their names and birthdates show no US identification could be found. The only ID cards he could locate on the men were national ID cards from Russia.

    The Arizona officer then begins to think they are illegally in the country and requests their immigration documents.


    Would this be racial profiling? Because substitute the following:

    White man with Hispanic man
    Blonde hair blue eyes with black hair brown eyes
    Washington tags with California tags
    Soviet Union sticker with Mexico sticker
    Eastern Europe accents with Spanish accents
    Russian ID cards with Mexican ID cards

    Just sub the above the the latter, and you'll have cries of racial profiling, although it's clear this law can and will be enforced on illegals of any nationality with probable cause.
     
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    You story doesn't make sense..
     
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    I think all temp immigrants should be required to wear a beanie with a propeller that takes into flight when their time is up.

    Certainly Boeing could pull this off?
     
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    clever. :thup:
     
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    Ok, why doesn't it make sense? He has provided a clear example of suspicious behavior. The only catch is it is not the current PC version of the lefts desire to IGNORE our laws.
     
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    If that is EXACTLY how it would take place even with the 'hispanic' substituted, then no, it is not racial profiling. However, I don't think this is how it most of the time happens. Many people - cops included - will automatically, upon seeing a latino suspect that they are or might be illegal immigrants.

    I remember there used to be road-blocks around ATL where they would only stop cars with latinos in the and then check their immigration paperwork. They would let little white girls like me by with 'have a nice day.' But then, it did make sense - you're much more likely find an illegal alien in those huge people-packed vans. The funny part is that some of the people that didn't get stopped by default - containing white immigrants with half-decent English - were actually overstaying their visas and/or working illegally. LMAO Some of them were my friends. :D
     
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    If you think you're making a point about the Arizona law you're daft.
     
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    Nothing in the example was not covered by previous laws on the books.
     
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    The new law does not change anything except to make it a STATE offense also. which is LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL. Nothing in the new law gives them the power to just randomly pull people over. Nothing in the new law allows any NEW powers to the police.

    And by the way, provide even a single incident where the new law has been abused.
     
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    All the hysteria over the AZ law is from a "what if" argument. Or an argument based on no evidence whatsoever that cops will always do the most bigoted thing.

    But then again why should that surprise anyone when we have a president who calls cops stupid before having all the facts?

    The simple course of action here is to wait and see how the law will be applied. And believe you me the AZ cops will be the most watched in the nation. That fact alone diminishes the possibility of discrimination based on race.

    And BTW because a law when applied in a particular area results in the arrest of one ethnic group more than another does not necessarily mean that law is racist.
     

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