"Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?

[Quantum Windbag]

Funny how the anti gun nuts never mentions studies like this.

If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates.

"Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence."

I am sure [MENTION=37000]Saigon[/MENTION] will pop in here and blather about gun homicides being higher in countries with guns, so I want to through this out.

Russia has gun ownership rate of 1 in 40,000, yet has a murder rate that is 4 times higher than the US.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Funny how the anti gun nuts never mentions studies like this.

If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates.

"Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence."

I am sure [MENTION=37000]Saigon[/MENTION] will pop in here and blather about gun homicides being higher in countries with guns, so I want to through this out.

Russia has gun ownership rate of 1 in 40,000, yet has a murder rate that is 4 times higher than the US.

No it would not in 2010 there were over 4000 non firearm murders.

 

[Saigon]

broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death.

And obviously they show exactly that.

The fact the only examples you can up with are war zones like Mexico and Russia tells us that you also know that facts are not on your side.

Any minute now, the OP will triumph how much better the US is doing compared with Zimbabwe, Colombia or Iraq.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Why is it that Mexico and Russia is deemed a war zone by you? And even if so, does that negate their "developed world" status? Does our gang wars negate our "developed world" status? Frankly, you take that out of the equation and you'd see something more akin to everywhere else around the world.

 

[Saigon]

Why is it that Mexico and Russia is deemed a war zone by you? And even if so, does that negate their "developed world" status?

Seriously?

I think you can answer the first question well enough yourself, can't you?

In some contexts it may make sense to compare Mexico or Russia with the US, but obviously a dozen better points of comparison exist - Canada, Australia, Germany, France, Italy, the UK, Spain, Japan, South Korea or even Holland all have much more in common with the US than Russia does.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death.

And obviously they show exactly that.

The fact the only examples you can up with are war zones like Mexico and Russia tells us that you also know that facts are not on your side.

Any minute now, the OP will triumph how much better the US is doing compared with Zimbabwe, Colombia or Iraq.

You're showing gun murder you fucking idiot. Why don't you show murders in general?
Non firearm murders? 2010 the U.S. had over 4000 non firearm murders.

 

[eflatminor]

Japan is a perfect example. Despite their disarmed populace, Japan has the identical murder/suicide rate as the US. They kill themselves at an alarming rate, while the citizens in a few counties/boroughs in America kill each other at an alarming rate.

Just more evidence that firearms don't kill people, which is true of all inanimate objects.

 

[ABikerSailor]

broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death.

And obviously they show exactly that.

The fact the only examples you can up with are war zones like Mexico and Russia tells us that you also know that facts are not on your side.

Any minute now, the OP will triumph how much better the US is doing compared with Zimbabwe, Colombia or Iraq.

You're showing gun murder you fucking idiot. Why don't you show murders in general?
Non firearm murders? 2010 the U.S. had over 4000 non firearm murders.

They posted a link to prove their point.

Question is..................do YOU have a link to prove yours?

I'm guessing you don't.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Why is it that Mexico and Russia is deemed a war zone by you? And even if so, does that negate their "developed world" status?

Seriously?

I think you can answer the first question well enough yourself, can't you?

In some contexts it may make sense to compare Mexico or Russia with the US, but obviously a dozen better points of comparison exist - Canada, Australia, Germany, France, Italy, the UK, Spain, Japan, South Korea or even Holland all have much more in common with the US than Russia does.

Your thesis is still idiotic. Blacks commit 7X more murders than whites despite the fact that there are 6X more whites. Whites have just as much legal access to guns as black people. Does that tell you that our gun laws suck or that we have a sub culture problem? I don't need my right to guns taken away because some hood rats are killing people.

BTW - Switzerland, who has a much lower murder rate; they require almost all adult males to own guns.

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

And obviously they show exactly that.

The fact the only examples you can up with are war zones like Mexico and Russia tells us that you also know that facts are not on your side.

Any minute now, the OP will triumph how much better the US is doing compared with Zimbabwe, Colombia or Iraq.

You're showing gun murder you fucking idiot. Why don't you show murders in general?
Non firearm murders? 2010 the U.S. had over 4000 non firearm murders.

They posted a link to prove their point.

Question is..................do YOU have a link to prove yours?

I'm guessing you don't.

Because moron; his point isn't based upon having a link. He's point out the fact fallacies in his logic. If you want to make a case that murders go down with tight gun control laws; then you have to show the outright murder rate; not the gun related murder rate.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Why is it that Mexico and Russia is deemed a war zone by you? And even if so, does that negate their "developed world" status?

Seriously?

I think you can answer the first question well enough yourself, can't you?

In some contexts it may make sense to compare Mexico or Russia with the US, but obviously a dozen better points of comparison exist - Canada, Australia, Germany, France, Italy, the UK, Spain, Japan, South Korea or even Holland all have much more in common with the US than Russia does.

Your thesis is still idiotic. Blacks commit 7X more murders than whites despite the fact that there are 6X more whites. Whites have just as much legal access to guns as black people. Does that tell you that our gun laws suck or that we have a sub culture problem? I don't need my right to guns taken away because some hood rats are killing people.

BTW - Switzerland, who has a much lower murder rate; they require almost all adult males to own guns.

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

Really? There are six times more Whites than there are Blacks?

I thought the GOP was freaking out because the white people are on the quick train to becoming the minority.

Got any links to back up your bullshit?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Seriously?

I think you can answer the first question well enough yourself, can't you?

In some contexts it may make sense to compare Mexico or Russia with the US, but obviously a dozen better points of comparison exist - Canada, Australia, Germany, France, Italy, the UK, Spain, Japan, South Korea or even Holland all have much more in common with the US than Russia does.

Your thesis is still idiotic. Blacks commit 7X more murders than whites despite the fact that there are 6X more whites. Whites have just as much legal access to guns as black people. Does that tell you that our gun laws suck or that we have a sub culture problem? I don't need my right to guns taken away because some hood rats are killing people.

BTW - Switzerland, who has a much lower murder rate; they require almost all adult males to own guns.

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

Really? There are six times more Whites than there are Blacks?

I thought the GOP was freaking out because the white people are on the quick train to becoming the minority.

Got any links to back up your bullshit?

I don't give a fuck what you think the white to black ratio is exactly. You and I both fucking know that blacks kill at about 25-50X higher rates than whites. Would there be a fucking point to me ascertaining an exact number? No. You're just being a total dick.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Your thesis is still idiotic. Blacks commit 7X more murders than whites despite the fact that there are 6X more whites. Whites have just as much legal access to guns as black people. Does that tell you that our gun laws suck or that we have a sub culture problem? I don't need my right to guns taken away because some hood rats are killing people.

BTW - Switzerland, who has a much lower murder rate; they require almost all adult males to own guns.

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

Really? There are six times more Whites than there are Blacks?

I thought the GOP was freaking out because the white people are on the quick train to becoming the minority.

Got any links to back up your bullshit?

I don't give a fuck what you think the white to black ratio is exactly. You and I both fucking know that blacks kill at about 25-50X higher rates than whites. Would there be a fucking point to me ascertaining an exact number? No. You're just being a total dick.

Interesting............................you don't care what the ratio is, yet you continually spew bullshit about what the ratio is.

But then again..................that is what I'd expect out of someone who is losing the debate and spewing bullshit without links.

Keep trying asshat................you might find someone who could believe you.

I don't.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Really? There are six times more Whites than there are Blacks?

I thought the GOP was freaking out because the white people are on the quick train to becoming the minority.

Got any links to back up your bullshit?

I don't give a fuck what you think the white to black ratio is exactly. You and I both fucking know that blacks kill at about 25-50X higher rates than whites. Would there be a fucking point to me ascertaining an exact number? No. You're just being a total dick.

Interesting............................you don't care what the ratio is, yet you continually spew bullshit about what the ratio is.

But then again..................that is what I'd expect out of someone who is losing the debate and spewing bullshit without links.

Keep trying asshat................you might find someone who could believe you.

I don't.

And there you go again being a total knob; validating why I usually ignore your posts (literally). Did I say I don't care what the ratio is or what the exact ratio is? My points have sufficiently been made. You on the other hand, have made no point. Therefore, there's no "debate" to lose "asshat."

 

[asaratis]

broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death.

And obviously they show exactly that.

The fact the only examples you can up with are war zones like Mexico and Russia tells us that you also know that facts are not on your side.

Any minute now, the OP will triumph how much better the US is doing compared with Zimbabwe, Colombia or Iraq.

You have not presented evidence that murders and suicides would be reduced by a gun ban. Your chart seems to ignore a few developed countries. I would consider USSR equally developed as the USA....but that ruins your argument, doesn't it?

Why is it that Mexico and Russia is deemed a war zone by you? And even if so, does that negate their "developed world" status?

Seriously?

I think you can answer the first question well enough yourself, can't you?

In some contexts it may make sense to compare Mexico or Russia with the US, but obviously a dozen better points of comparison exist - Canada, Australia, Germany, France, Italy, the UK, Spain, Japan, South Korea or even Holland all have much more in common with the US than Russia does.

Your thesis is still idiotic. Blacks commit 7X more murders than whites despite the fact that there are 6X more whites. Whites have just as much legal access to guns as black people. Does that tell you that our gun laws suck or that we have a sub culture problem? I don't need my right to guns taken away because some hood rats are killing people.

BTW - Switzerland, who has a much lower murder rate; they require almost all adult males to own guns.

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

Let's be fair. I think Switzerland has a high suicide rate...but I'm not sure what methods they use to commit suicide.

 

[Saigon]

I would consider USSR equally developed as the USA

Um.....spot the person who has never been to Russia.


btw. There is no USSR. It's called Russia these days. Good to see you keep up with the news!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

And obviously they show exactly that.

The fact the only examples you can up with are war zones like Mexico and Russia tells us that you also know that facts are not on your side.

Any minute now, the OP will triumph how much better the US is doing compared with Zimbabwe, Colombia or Iraq.

You're showing gun murder you fucking idiot. Why don't you show murders in general?
Non firearm murders? 2010 the U.S. had over 4000 non firearm murders.

They posted a link to prove their point.

Question is..................do YOU have a link to prove yours?

I'm guessing you don't.

Here you go bitch

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/12/how-people-are-murdered-in-united-states.html
No they posted a graph numb nuts. oh I just pulled that number and the means out of thin air?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Really? There are six times more Whites than there are Blacks?

I thought the GOP was freaking out because the white people are on the quick train to becoming the minority.

Got any links to back up your bullshit?

I don't give a fuck what you think the white to black ratio is exactly. You and I both fucking know that blacks kill at about 25-50X higher rates than whites. Would there be a fucking point to me ascertaining an exact number? No. You're just being a total dick.

Interesting............................you don't care what the ratio is, yet you continually spew bullshit about what the ratio is.

But then again..................that is what I'd expect out of someone who is losing the debate and spewing bullshit without links.

Keep trying asshat................you might find someone who could believe you.

I don't.

Last I heard the black percentage was still around 14 percent, Whites are still the majority so over 50 percent. that is at least 4 to one right there.

 

[asaratis]

I would consider USSR equally developed as the USA

Um.....spot the person who has never been to Russia.


btw. There is no USSR. It's called Russia these days. Good to see you keep up with the news!

Until it fell apart, it was the USSR...Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Commonly called Soviet Union or Russia...

Despite its name being changing, it was a developed country then (they beat us into orbit...and almost beat us to the moon...we now send astronauts up in Russian rockets)...tell me they're not a developed country...and weren't developed when known as the USSR. You'll be a fool if you do.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

To answer the name of this chat, I do not think such a ban would reduce murder and suicide when there are other ways in this world to accomplish both missions.

God bless you always!!!

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