With 94 million Americans Out of the Work Force, Why Do We Have 25 Million Foreign Guest Workers?

[Unkotare]

.... it's easier to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm "a conspiracy theorist,"...

When you clearly don't know what you're talking about and/or prattle on about ridiculous conspiracies, what exactly do you expect to be told?

 

[Indeependent]

Compared to Europeans with some higher education, Americans look pretty weak.

Perhaps, but Europeans aren't hired by Tech companies either; only Indians.

Less than half of H-1B visa holders are Indian. Get over your obsession.

In IT, over 98% are Indian.
H1B Occupations - H1B Visa - H1B Jobs - Work in America - H1 Base - H1Base - USA Work Permit - Green Card - H1 Visa - US Work Visa - Immigration USA - H1B - H1-B - H-1B - Live in the USA - Job in USA - USA VISA - Work in USA

 

[Unkotare]

The obsession goes on...

 

[Indeependent]

The obsession goes on...

Your Liberal idiocy goes on.
Your false insistence that the truth is NOT the truth does NOT alter the truth.
I have family and friends across the US who work for major corporations and only Indians get into IT.

 

[Unkotare]

The obsession goes on...

Your Liberal idiocy goes on......

Wrong guess, junior.

 

[Indeependent]

The obsession goes on...

Your Liberal idiocy goes on......

Wrong guess, junior.

You are an Open Borders freak...don't even try to hide it.

 

[Unkotare]

The obsession goes on...

Your Liberal idiocy goes on......

Wrong guess, junior.

You are an Open Borders freak...don't even try to hide it.

You're a liar and an idiot. I am not and never have been, fruitcake.

 

[MisterBeale]

....


Obviously you didn't read or scan the article. I didn't plagiarize anything. It was a VERY LONG article. I only quoted relevant parts in a different font. .....

"A different font" isn't how quotations are cited, plagiarist.

There are no hard fast dogmatic rules on the internet. I'll do it however I please......

You mean you'll plagiarize as you please, criminal.

pla·gia·rize
ˈplājəˌrīz/
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verb: plagiarize; 3rd person present: plagiarizes; past tense: plagiarized; past participle: plagiarized; gerund or present participle: plagiarizing; verb: plagiarise; 3rd person present: plagiarises; past tense: plagiarised; past participle: plagiarised; gerund or present participle: plagiarising

1. take (the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own.
   synonyms: copy, infringe the copyright of, pirate, steal, poach, appropriate;More
   informalrip off, crib, “borrow”, pinch
   "he was fined for plagiarizing a song"
   
   • copy from (someone) and pass it off as one's own.

plagerize definition - Google Search

Do point out where you think I do such a thing. Otherwise, STFU.

 

[MisterBeale]

.... it's easier to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm "a conspiracy theorist,"...

When you clearly don't know what you're talking about and/or prattle on about ridiculous conspiracies, what exactly do you expect to be told?

Everyone sees that you are full of it and don't know squat. You post nothing but objections to an otherwise meaningful conversation.

Add to it, or quit trolling and go away.

 

[MisterBeale]

.....


Real reform would require teachers to think, challenge themselves and their students, and that would be difficult. It would require risks and creativity, and teachers would have to earn what they are paid. .....

And you think teachers don't do all that already?

Nope. They go to University, learn one way to teach, go to teacher education training days, get the curriculum, and force feed it to all students the same.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Is that all you're doing? Why not say so earlier?

Nope, that was my impression of the intellectual content of every one of your posts. Every. Single. Damn. One of them.

 

[MaryL]

I don't know about the figures, but I have seen a huge surge in homeless people in the last 20 years coinciding with the huge numbers of non English speaking Hispanics (of questionable immigration status). It's been one of my pet peeves, and OHHH the lefties have an orgasm helping one group at the expense of another, then minimizing the loss.

 

[MisterBeale]

Compared to Europeans with some higher education, Americans look pretty weak.

Perhaps, but Europeans aren't hired by Tech companies either; only Indians.

Less than half of H-1B visa holders are Indian. Get over your obsession.

First, we'll need to see a link on that. It would be nice if you could prove absolute numbers since you seem to have the info handy, and maybe their starting salary compared to their American counter parts. I think we would all find that illuminating señor globalist.

I know you have this aversion to using outside sources, so afraid of being accused of plagiarism and all. Seriously though, most of us know the difference between using outside information to back up ideas, and outright theft of material. Go on, back your shit up.

Otherwise, stop accusing folks of conspiracy minded thinking when they post direct quotes from the Chairmen of the Federal Reserve, proving that such a plan is in place to depress wages and benefits for STEM workers.

 

[Indeependent]

The obsession goes on...

Your Liberal idiocy goes on......

Wrong guess, junior.

You are an Open Borders freak...don't even try to hide it.

You're a liar and an idiot. I am not and never have been, fruitcake.

Sure, Mr. Asylum, Mr. I Love Illegal Immigrants, Mr. I Love The Whole World, Mr. Let The Business Visas Take All Our Jobs..
You are a Fiscal Conservative, NOT a Language and Borders Conservative.

 

[Asclepias]

Compared to Europeans with some higher education, Americans look pretty weak.

Perhaps, but Europeans aren't hired by Tech companies either; only Indians.

Less than half of H-1B visa holders are Indian. Get over your obsession.

Obviously you missed the point that he said tech as in IT. Most are from east india.

 

[Asclepias]

The obsession goes on...

Your Liberal idiocy goes on.
Your false insistence that the truth is NOT the truth does NOT alter the truth.
I have family and friends across the US who work for major corporations and only Indians get into IT.

No dummy. Its not only anything. There are Mexicans, Blacks, Asians, whites and east indians in IT.

 

[Indeependent]

The obsession goes on...

Your Liberal idiocy goes on.
Your false insistence that the truth is NOT the truth does NOT alter the truth.
I have family and friends across the US who work for major corporations and only Indians get into IT.

No dummy. Its not only anything. There are Mexicans, Blacks, Asians, whites and east indians in IT.

So I will be specific and state that Indians From India treat Mexicans, Blacks and Chinese like shit.
The few Blacks in IT are NOT H1-Bs.
Mexicans and Chinese? Where? Wyoming?

 

[Asclepias]

The obsession goes on...

Your Liberal idiocy goes on.
Your false insistence that the truth is NOT the truth does NOT alter the truth.
I have family and friends across the US who work for major corporations and only Indians get into IT.

No dummy. Its not only anything. There are Mexicans, Blacks, Asians, whites and east indians in IT.

So I will be specific and state that Indians From India treat Mexicans, Blacks and Chinese like shit.
The few Blacks in IT are NOT H1-Bs.
Mexicans and Chinese? Where? Wyoming?

Thats weird because I've had sex with a few east indian women and my career in IT was given a tremendous boost by an east indian guy. I forgot to mention I am Black. Are you claiming you know everyone in the world?

California.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Where did you get your expertise on reading levels?

The Lexile reading level for Last of the Mohicans is 1350 which is 11th to 12th grade.

The Last of the Mohicans - Lexile® Find a Book | The Lexile® Framework for Reading

Why don't you just stick to whatever you are good at doing and leave education to the professionals?

Naturally "professionals," will claim that, they need to justify their existence, don't they?


"Public schooling hasn't even improved literacy, Gatto demonstrates -- it's considerably eroded it.

By 1840" (more than a decade before the opening of the first tax-funded government schools on the modern model, in Massachusetts) "the incidence of complex literacy in the United States was between 93 and 100 percent. ... In Connecticut only one citizen out of every 579 was illiterate and you probably don't want to know, not really, what people in those days considered literate; it's too embarrassing. Popular novels of the period give a clue: 'Last of the Mohicans,' published in 1818, sold so well a contemporary equivalent would have to move 10 million copies to match it. If you pick up an uncut version you find yourself in a dense thicket of philosophy, history, culture, politics, geography, astute analysis of human motives and actions, all conveyed in data-rich periodic sentences so formidable only a determined and well-educated reader can handle it nowadays. Yet in 1818 we were a small-farm nation without colleges or universities to speak of. Could those simple folk have had more complex minds than our own?

"By 1940 the literacy figure for all states stood at 96 percent for whites. 80 percent for blacks. Notice for all the disadvantages blacks labored under, four of five were still literate. Six decades later, at the end of the 20th century, the National Adult Literacy Survey and the National Assessment of Educational Progress say 40 percent of blacks and 17 percent of whites can't read at all. Put another way, black illiteracy doubled, white illiteracy quadrupled," despite the fact that "we spend three or four times as much real money on schooling as we did 60 years ago."
Could They Really Have Done It On Purpose?, by Vin Suprynowicz

With our schools so awful and terrible, why are Americans leading in science and technology?

A Pew Research Center Poll from July 2009 showed that only around 6percent of U.S. scientists are Republicans; 55 percent are Democrats, 32 percent are independent, and the rest "don't know" their affiliation. This immense imbalance has political consequences.Dec 8, 2010

Nope.

Leave it to rdeanie to post some of the stupidest shit on USMB.

We are number 39, right after Poland and Chile. Even the terrorists in Turkey, and drug lords in Mexico and Columbia know more math and science than we do.

Math and Science have nothing to do with politics. Unless you pay them. Then the data will tell you whatever you want it to.

These are the 10 smartest countries in the world when it comes to science

I grade your reading and interpretation of that graph as an F-. It doesn't say what you think it does.

An F MINUS?

You call yourself a professional? How does one fail worse than failing? I've never heard any professional teacher use such a term. It is an insult to the profession. I think you were fired and didn't make the grade.



Of course it says what I think it does.


The methods employed to train math and science in the US are worse than other nations. Our schooling is flat out inferior, it's government indoctrination, consumer brainwashing. It is the practice of making helpless automatons.

Do we still have more STEM graduates in absolute numbers? Of course. However our population is much larger.

If Nation A) has 100 citizens and 10 Nobel prize winners, and Nation B) has 10000 citizens and 15 Nobel prize winners, it doesn't mean Nation B is a leader in math and science. I am sorry if you are too obtuse to understand this concept.

In a few more decades, if the Russia Federation were ever to liberalize it's economy even more than it already has, we are sunk. We are absolutely done for. That's what this chart shows.

Already their deep-well oil drilling technology is thirty years, to forty years more advanced than ours is. Hell, half the West is still in denial of abiotic oil.

Fossil fuel. What a crock.

No. You are just simply full of shit and will not question anything that does not agree with your preconceived notions. That is worse than failure, hence the F- grade.

 

[Indeependent]

The obsession goes on...

Your Liberal idiocy goes on.
Your false insistence that the truth is NOT the truth does NOT alter the truth.
I have family and friends across the US who work for major corporations and only Indians get into IT.

No dummy. Its not only anything. There are Mexicans, Blacks, Asians, whites and east indians in IT.

So I will be specific and state that Indians From India treat Mexicans, Blacks and Chinese like shit.
The few Blacks in IT are NOT H1-Bs.
Mexicans and Chinese? Where? Wyoming?

Thats weird because I've had sex with a few east indian women and my career in IT was given a tremendous boost by an east indian guy. I forgot to mention I am Black. Are you claiming you know everyone in the world?

California.

Ah! It's funny that I had a few East Indian women hit on me also.
I am fully aware that you are Black...and a rarity in IT, presuming you are a developer.
I've seen lots of Blacks installing software and hooking PCs up to Networks...Pretty boring stuff.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I see what you were talking about Jim. I agree, if companies domicile here, they can hire American workers first before the H1-B's.

My point about restructuring our ed. system was that, often in the MSM propaganda, we will here the myth repeated ad nauseam that there aren't enough STEM workers, so they need to pass out visas like they are candy. That's why we see so many engineers, scientists, doctors, etc. from Asia and the far east.

Here is an interesting article. Rdeanie can sit and spin.

The STEM Crisis Is a Myth
Forget the dire predictions of a looming shortfall of scientists, technologists, engineers, and mathematicians
The STEM Crisis Is a Myth - IEEE Spectrum

You realize you don't graduate with a degree that just says STEM on it, and that you are then a perfect match for the 277,000 jobs simply called STEM Job that companies are looking to fill, right?

Well of course.

Did you think I just ran through and looked for images, or rather, maybe, read the article too?


I swear, if I don't read the article, and tease out the important parts of it for you guys, you won't take into consideration what is relevant, and what you need to know. Guess someone's got to do the heavy lifting.

"To parse the simultaneous claims of both a shortage and a surplus of STEM workers, we’ll need to delve into the data behind the debate, how it got going more than a half century ago, and the societal, economic, and nationalistic biases that have perpetuated it. And what that dissection reveals is that there is indeed a STEM crisis—just not the one everyone’s been talking about. The real STEM crisis is one of literacy: the fact that today’s students are not receiving a solid grounding in science, math, and engineering."

<snip>

The nature of STEM work has also changed dramatically in the past several decades. In engineering, for instance, your job is no longer linked to a company but to a funded project. Long-term employment with a single company has been replaced by a series of de facto temporary positions that can quickly end when a project ends or the market shifts. To be sure, engineers in the 1950s were sometimes laid off during recessions, but they expected to be hired back when the economy picked up. That rarely happens today. And unlike in decades past, employers seldom offer generous education and training benefits to engineers to keep them current, so out-of-work engineers find they quickly become technologically obsolete.


Any of these factors can affect both short-term and longer-term demand for STEM workers, as well as for the particular skills those workers will need. The agencies that track science and engineering employment know this to be true. Buried in Chapter 3 of a 2012 NSF workforce study, for instance, you’ll find this caveat: “Projections of employment growth are plagued by uncertain assumptions and are notoriously difficult to make.”


So is there a shortfall of STEM workers or isn’t there?


The Georgetown study estimates that nearly two-thirds of the STEM job openings in the United States, or about 180 000 jobs per year, will require bachelor’s degrees. Now, if you apply the Commerce Department’s definition of STEM to the NSF’s annual count of science and engineering bachelor’s degrees, that means about 252 000 STEM graduates emerged in 2009. So even if all the STEM openings were entry-level positions and even if only new STEM bachelor’s holders could compete for them, that still leaves 70 000 graduates unable to get a job in their chosen field.


Of course, the pool of U.S. STEM workers is much bigger than that: It includes new STEM master’s and Ph.D. graduates (in 2009, around 80 000 and 25 000, respectively), STEM associate degree graduates (about 40 000), H-1B visa holders (more than 50 000), other immigrants and visa holders with STEM degrees, technical certificate holders, and non-STEM degree recipients looking to find STEM-related work. And then there’s the vast number of STEM degree holders who graduated in previous years or decades.


Even in the computer and IT industry, the sector that employs the most STEM workers and is expected to grow the most over the next 5 to 10 years, not everyone who wants a job can find one. A recent study by the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), a liberal-leaning think tank in Washington, D.C., found that more than a third of recent computer science graduates aren’t working in their chosen major; of that group, almost a third say the reason is that there are no jobs available.

<snip>

Clearly, powerful forces must be at work to perpetuate the cycle. One is obvious: the bottom line. Companies would rather not pay STEM professionals high salaries with lavish benefits, offer them training on the job, or guarantee them decades of stable employment. So having an oversupply of workers, whether domestically educated or imported, is to their benefit. It gives employers a larger pool from which they can pick the “best and the brightest,” and it helps keep wages in check. No less an authority than Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve, said as much when in 2007 he advocated boosting the number of skilled immigrants entering the United States so as to “suppress” the wages of their U.S. counterparts, which he considered too high.


There is a collusion between government and industry to make sure they can find a cheap immigrant to do something that Jim would expect more money for. That's how fascism works. Our nation has been sold out to a bunch of globalists, and it doesn't matter which party they are in. Makes no difference at all.

Pukes from both parties are mystified how Trump got the nomination. Average folks are fed up. They don't know if Trump will solve anything, but if he burns the whole place down, it certainly doesn't seem like it would be a whole lot worse than the way things stand right now.

So, we've established that all you know about is plagiarism.

Obviously you didn't read or scan the article. I didn't plagiarize anything. It was a VERY LONG article. I only quoted relevant parts in a different font. Wow, you really have an aversion to reading, sorry about your learning disability. Or is it a language thing?



Your contention is that there is no perfect match between job hunters and employers. Why should I tell you that isn't so when I can just quote the article and you can see for yourself it isn't the case? I realize not all STEM degrees are interchangeable, but at the numbers we are talking about, the difference is meaningless.

I used to think you had some modicum of intelligence. Are you drinking and taking drugs tonight, purposely being obtuse, or just a crank?

The fact is, industry, the central bank, and the globalists have purposely kept the market saturated with more qualified people in every STEM sector of the economy so that labor wages will be depressed.

Added to that, the pace of change is so quick, these professions need to be constantly retrained. It doesn't matter if you are an . . . .

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Business and industry are cheap and profit oriented. They would prefer to externalize that cost onto the employee rather than pick up the tab. If there is a fierce competition for jobs, the potential job seekers are more willing to foot the bill for keeping their training current. If you can't understand what is posted and need help with it, ask, don't be an ass.

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