Wiki--- leaking = Espionage

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    Espionage Act 1917
    It made it a crime:

    To convey information with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the armed forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies. This was punishable by death or by imprisonment for not more than 30 years.

    To convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies when the United States is at war, to cause or attempt to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or to willfully obstruct the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States. This was punishable by a maximum fine of $10,000 fine and up to 20 years in prison.
    Espionage Act of 1917 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    18 U.S.C. § 793
    (a) Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting
    the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the
    information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to
    the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over,
    or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft,
    work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling
    station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad,
    arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or
    signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or
    other place connected with the national defense owned or
    constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or
    under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers,
    departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of
    the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft,
    arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time
    of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the
    subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement
    with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or
    with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on
    18 U.S.C. § 793 : US Code - Section 793: Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

    An interesting note in the Times story concerns WikiLeaks chief Julian Assange: "White House officials e-mailed reporters select transcripts of an interview Mr. Assange conducted with Der Spiegel, underlining the quotations the White House apparently found most offensive. Among them was Mr. Assange's assertion, 'I enjoy crushing bastards.' " Assange told reporters he wanted the material to lead to "new policies, if not prosecutions." His agenda is clear.

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    Frankly this case that involves Pvt. Manning and the group known as Wikileaks should be agressivly prosecuted. Acts such as wikileaks leads to the deaths of US Military and Allied forces engaged in operations as well as those that are friendly to the US and it's allies. Further, obtaining an then publishing classified materials for the purpose of changing policy gives aid and comfort to our enemy and is an act of espionage. It remains to be seen if the WH will persue this matter, but it is my hope they do in this matter. One more thing before you who support the scum at wikileaks, this case is NOT the Pentagon papers but Im sure that many who agree with these people will try and point to that.
     
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    Some people do this kind of shit just because they can.
     
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    People are going to die because of this. Further, anyone who has provided us intelligence is going to fade away and the intel will dry up. No one will want to work with us anymore.

    Manning and Assange need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent -- Manning for treason and espionage, Assange for espionage.
     
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    While I may not be a legal scholar, it does appear that publishing "classified" DOD documents is transmitting them is it not? Assange in my opinion has been very open about what his intentions are in publishing this material and in doing so as has been mentioned will result in a host of issues. Sec. Gates was quite correct in his statement about Assange when he said the man has blood on his hands. As for Pvt. Manning, I don't want to speculate on this, but it does appear that he and Mr. Assange have been involved in this issue. What I really am trying to get a handle on here is the WH reaction to this issue which seems tepid at times and at other times, as no big deal.
     
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    So who leaked it?
     
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    Nobody knows..
     
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    It's alleged that Pvt. Manning obtained the "classified" material and then sent it to Assange who then published it. So as mentioned before Manning is on trial for disclosing over 15,000 documents to Assange . The Documents it's alleged Manning obtained by hacking a DOD intranet system. So yes, Assange should be tried for Espionage and Manning should be tried for both. As the Taliban has already said they are using the documents to obtain names of anyone who works for the US and it's allies to punish them. One other thing worth mentioning here. Assange's site wikileaks has gone so far in the past as publishing US Military members Social Security numbers that have been obtained by acts of Espionage. To simply dismiss this as a 1st Amendment issue is to dismiss how the material was obtained and then by the very act of publishing "classified material that was obtianed in such a manner. Mr. Assange is guilty of espionage agianst the United States.
     
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    Would any of you think Wikileaks should be prosecuted if they had published leaked documents that prove that the government is plotting a military coup?
     
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    Hey Navy, glad to see you posting: Always a refreshingly intelligent topic and discussion.

    I don't see how anyone but the ACLU could argue against Assange's guilt. He clearly should be made an example of the CINC's absolute intolerance of anything that is published that could endanger the lives of US Armed Services.

    However, I doubt this CINC/Harvard Lawyer is as interested in protecting the lives of US troops as he is appeasing his the liberals that make up his political base.
     
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    Article III Section 3 of the US Constitution:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
     

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