Wi senator's wife signs his recall pertition

[BenNatuf]

Please stop lying.

From your own SOURCE...dumbass...

There is no dispute that Walker campaigned on getting concessions on health and pension benefits from state employees. And, to be sure, that is an important part of the measure.

I don't see anything about taking away collective bargaining in your quote, Tommy Toughpants.

I do believe that would be a "consession".

 

[thereisnospoon]

I've read it several times.

I repeat:

Show me specifically where Walker campaigned on taking away their ability to collectively bargain.

I repeat: Too fucking bad for you. I am NOT here to teach you comprehension.

Your concession is duly noted.

This is quite simple. To use a legal term it would be "inevitable discovery".
Now, by extension, Walker's policy would inevitably lead to the limiting of collective bargaining because in order to support the law, limits would have to be established.
So you see, without specifically mentioning this, collective bargaining would have to be limited. Case closed.
BTW, the voters of Wisconsin elected new representatives what campaigned on looking out for the interests of the taxpayers.
Why anyone would want to continue the status quo of skyrocketing taxes to pay for ever rising wage and benefit costs for public workers is a mystery.
What is it with you people and your desire for excessive taxation
Don't you realize this has to end?!!!

 

[bodecea]

Artie? You just can't cut it. You never have even as a MOD, and I certainly don't expect Miracles NOW.

It isn't going to happen from a vapid, shallow person as YOU...*EVER*

I don't think YOU want to bring up not cutting it as a Mod, Tommy.

 

[Wicked Jester]

[...]So, breaking laws is fine, ignoring the law is fine, not doing his job is fine, threatening other members of the legislature with death is fine... but gods forbid he should actually do his job.

What do you think he is, an emperor? He is a representative, which means his job is doing what his constituents tell him via their votes to do -- not what he wants to do. And the majority of Wisconsin voters do not want the Walker Bill passed.

YOU want to see him dragged from his house and tortured.....You no doubt are as un-american as it gets....Just the same as Bocecea, Art 15, Ravi, and a few other liberal scumbags up here.

Every one of you have exposed yourselves in this thread.......Fuckin' SCUMbags!

 

[bodecea]

[...]So, breaking laws is fine, ignoring the law is fine, not doing his job is fine, threatening other members of the legislature with death is fine... but gods forbid he should actually do his job.

What do you think he is, an emperor? He is a representative, which means his job is doing what his constituents tell him via their votes to do -- not what he wants to do. And the majority of Wisconsin voters do not want the Walker Bill passed.

YOU want to see him dragged from his house and tortured.....You no doubt are as un-american as it gets....Just the same as Bocecea, Art 15, Ravi, and a few other liberal scumbags up here.

Every one of you have exposed yourselves in this thread.......Fuckin' SCUMbags!

Oh look...Wicked's having another temper tantrum.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Artie? You just can't cut it. You never have even as a MOD, and I certainly don't expect Miracles NOW.

It isn't going to happen from a vapid, shallow person as YOU...*EVER*

I don't think YOU want to bring up not cutting it as a Mod, Tommy.

You would best be served by shutting the fuck up, you anti-american piece o' shit, who obviously supports an elected politician being dragged from his home and tortured.

Your choice of sexual partners is the least of your issues, asshole!

 

[bodecea]

Artie? You just can't cut it. You never have even as a MOD, and I certainly don't expect Miracles NOW.

It isn't going to happen from a vapid, shallow person as YOU...*EVER*

I don't think YOU want to bring up not cutting it as a Mod, Tommy.

You would best be served by shutting the fuck up, you anti-american piece o' shit, who obviously supports an elected politician being dragged from his home and tortured.

Your choice of sexual partners is the least of your issues, asshole!

Ah...here we go.

 

[Dot Com]

What do you think he is, an emperor? He is a representative, which means his job is doing what his constituents tell him via their votes to do -- not what he wants to do. And the majority of Wisconsin voters do not want the Walker Bill passed.

YOU want to see him dragged from his house and tortured.....You no doubt are as un-american as it gets....Just the same as Bocecea, Art 15, Ravi, and a few other liberal scumbags up here.

Every one of you have exposed yourselves in this thread.......Fuckin' SCUMbags!

Oh look...Wicked's having another temper tantrum.

He's STILL beatin' that dead horse?

 

[bodecea]

YOU want to see him dragged from his house and tortured.....You no doubt are as un-american as it gets....Just the same as Bocecea, Art 15, Ravi, and a few other liberal scumbags up here.

Every one of you have exposed yourselves in this thread.......Fuckin' SCUMbags!

Oh look...Wicked's having another temper tantrum.

He's STILL beatin' that dead horse?

He's got a stable full of 'em.

 

[Article 15]

Bullshit, the majority of WI voters elected walker after he campaigned telling them exactly what he would do. The special interest don't like it... too fucking bad. We won you lost, get over it.

Please stop lying.

I'm not lying. Walker campaigned extensively promoting his plan and the fact that he was going to exempt Police and firfighters from it was well known. The GOP campaigned on the same damned thing two years prior and was defeated, in fact the laws restricting collective bargaining were proposed in the past and everyone knew exactly what they were getting. Further, many of the people effected just got the "right" to collectively bargain about those things two years ago. These "rights" are not enshrined in 50 years of law as your masters like to pretend.

STOP BEING INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST and pretending people didn't know that. That you were too stupid to know the truth does not mean the truth wasn't out there.

Walker contends he clearly "campaigned on" his union bargaining plan.

But Walker, who offered many specific proposals during the campaign, did not go public with even the bare-bones of his multi-faceted plans to sharply curb collective bargaining rights. He could not point to any statements where he did. We could find none either.

 

[Article 15]

Artie? You just can't cut it. You never have even as a MOD, and I certainly don't expect Miracles NOW.

It isn't going to happen from a vapid, shallow person as YOU...*EVER*

I don't think YOU want to bring up not cutting it as a Mod, Tommy.

You would best be served by shutting the fuck up, you anti-american piece o' shit, who obviously supports an elected politician being dragged from his home and tortured.

Your choice of sexual partners is the least of your issues, asshole!

The only thing better than him getting tarred and feathered would be if you, trying to be a protective girlfriend, got between him and the mob and got tarred and feathered as well.

 

[Care4all]

from the politifact link

Let’s sum up our research.

Walker contends he clearly "campaigned on" his union bargaining plan.

But Walker, who offered many specific proposals during the campaign, did not go public with even the bare-bones of his multi-faceted plans to sharply curb collective bargaining rights. He could not point to any statements where he did. We could find none either.

While Walker often talked about employees paying more for pensions and health care, in his budget-repair bill he connected it to collective bargaining changes that were far different from his campaign rhetoric in terms of how far his plan goes and the way it would be accomplished.

We rate his statement False.

 

[Old Rocks]

When a politician is elected to an office, then starts pushing a really radical agenda, as
Governor Walker has, the people have the right to use whatever legal means to defend themselves against that agenda. That is what we see happening in Wisconsin. If three or more Republcan State Senators are recalled, that will be a very strong statement as to what matters to the people of Wisconsin. If they are replaced with Democrats, that would be a hint to Walker that perhaps he had better be updating his resume.

 

[thereisnospoon]

When a politician is elected to an office, then starts pushing a really radical agenda, as
Governor Walker has, the people have the right to use whatever legal means to defend themselves against that agenda. That is what we see happening in Wisconsin. If three or more Republcan State Senators are recalled, that will be a very strong statement as to what matters to the people of Wisconsin. If they are replaced with Democrats, that would be a hint to Walker that perhaps he had better be updating his resume.

You live in Portland, OR? It figures.
Look, there's nothing radical about representing the interests of taxpayers. There is nothing written in stone that states collective bargaining is a sacred cow.
Things change because in certain circles, they must.
The methodology of compensating public employees MUST change because it is no longer sustainable. End of story.
If public employees do not care for their benefits and wages being reined in, they are free to have a go at the private sector.
Oh, there is no movement of any significance to recall any senators.
I have no idea who or what started this bullshit but they need to put a sock in it. Cuz it isn't going to happen. Choosing to pass legislation that may be an irritant to some people is not grounds for recall. And no matter how much carping there is from the union people about it, it still doesn't matter. They will just have to suck it up and deal with being disappointed.

 

[bodecea]

When a politician is elected to an office, then starts pushing a really radical agenda, as
Governor Walker has, the people have the right to use whatever legal means to defend themselves against that agenda. That is what we see happening in Wisconsin. If three or more Republcan State Senators are recalled, that will be a very strong statement as to what matters to the people of Wisconsin. If they are replaced with Democrats, that would be a hint to Walker that perhaps he had better be updating his resume.

You live in Portland, OR? It figures.
Look, there's nothing radical about representing the interests of taxpayers. There is nothing written in stone that states collective bargaining is a sacred cow.
Things change because in certain circles, they must.
The methodology of compensating public employees MUST change because it is no longer sustainable. End of story.
If public employees do not care for their benefits and wages being reined in, they are free to have a go at the private sector.
Oh, there is no movement of any significance to recall any senators.
I have no idea who or what started this bullshit but they need to put a sock in it. Cuz it isn't going to happen. Choosing to pass legislation that may be an irritant to some people is not grounds for recall. And no matter how much carping there is from the union people about it, it still doesn't matter. They will just have to suck it up and deal with being disappointed.

Then Grandfather it like they are doing with some public unions in CA....don't change the rules for the players in the middle of their career. Would you like that for your job?

 

[BenNatuf]

from the politifact link

Let’s sum up our research.

Walker contends he clearly "campaigned on" his union bargaining plan.

But Walker, who offered many specific proposals during the campaign, did not go public with even the bare-bones of his multi-faceted plans to sharply curb collective bargaining rights. He could not point to any statements where he did. We could find none either.

While Walker often talked about employees paying more for pensions and health care, in his budget-repair bill he connected it to collective bargaining changes that were far different from his campaign rhetoric in terms of how far his plan goes and the way it would be accomplished.

We rate his statement False.

Did Obama state that his HCR bill would include mandates? No, he didn't, in fact unlike Walker, he just flat out lied and said he didn't support them.

Anyone who wanted to know what concessions the GOP would seek needed only to look at the legislation they proposed in 2008. WI voters knew well what was being proposed and limmiting bargaining rights is a "consession" the Governor sought.

 

[BenNatuf]

When a politician is elected to an office, then starts pushing a really radical agenda, as
Governor Walker has, the people have the right to use whatever legal means to defend themselves against that agenda. That is what we see happening in Wisconsin. If three or more Republcan State Senators are recalled, that will be a very strong statement as to what matters to the people of Wisconsin. If they are replaced with Democrats, that would be a hint to Walker that perhaps he had better be updating his resume.

I hope both parties succeed in their recall drives, it will be interesting to watch you squirm when the GOP picks up another seat ot two.

 

[thereisnospoon]

When a politician is elected to an office, then starts pushing a really radical agenda, as
Governor Walker has, the people have the right to use whatever legal means to defend themselves against that agenda. That is what we see happening in Wisconsin. If three or more Republcan State Senators are recalled, that will be a very strong statement as to what matters to the people of Wisconsin. If they are replaced with Democrats, that would be a hint to Walker that perhaps he had better be updating his resume.

You live in Portland, OR? It figures.
Look, there's nothing radical about representing the interests of taxpayers. There is nothing written in stone that states collective bargaining is a sacred cow.
Things change because in certain circles, they must.
The methodology of compensating public employees MUST change because it is no longer sustainable. End of story.
If public employees do not care for their benefits and wages being reined in, they are free to have a go at the private sector.
Oh, there is no movement of any significance to recall any senators.
I have no idea who or what started this bullshit but they need to put a sock in it. Cuz it isn't going to happen. Choosing to pass legislation that may be an irritant to some people is not grounds for recall. And no matter how much carping there is from the union people about it, it still doesn't matter. They will just have to suck it up and deal with being disappointed.

Then Grandfather it like they are doing with some public unions in CA....don't change the rules for the players in the middle of their career. Would you like that for your job?

That defeats the purpose. The reason for the legislation is the taxpayers and the state cannot afford the present and projected expense.
The alternative is if grandfathering is done, massive layoffs of employees. At that point thse workers would receive a servarance plus any benefits due. No pension. No health insurance. The result is the same.
What is better, serveral thousand people with NO job and no benefits? OR everyone gets to keep their job with fewer benefits and limited collective bargaining?
At the end of the day, workers are going to get less.
All workers must sacrifice. It is what it is. Done.

 

[bodecea]

You live in Portland, OR? It figures.
Look, there's nothing radical about representing the interests of taxpayers. There is nothing written in stone that states collective bargaining is a sacred cow.
Things change because in certain circles, they must.
The methodology of compensating public employees MUST change because it is no longer sustainable. End of story.
If public employees do not care for their benefits and wages being reined in, they are free to have a go at the private sector.
Oh, there is no movement of any significance to recall any senators.
I have no idea who or what started this bullshit but they need to put a sock in it. Cuz it isn't going to happen. Choosing to pass legislation that may be an irritant to some people is not grounds for recall. And no matter how much carping there is from the union people about it, it still doesn't matter. They will just have to suck it up and deal with being disappointed.

Then Grandfather it like they are doing with some public unions in CA....don't change the rules for the players in the middle of their career. Would you like that for your job?

That defeats the purpose. The reason for the legislation is the taxpayers and the state cannot afford the present and projected expense.
The alternative is if grandfathering is done, massive layoffs of employees. At that point thse workers would receive a servarance plus any benefits due. No pension. No health insurance. The result is the same.
What is better, serveral thousand people with NO job and no benefits? OR everyone gets to keep their job with fewer benefits and limited collective bargaining?
At the end of the day, workers are going to get less.
All workers must sacrifice. It is what it is. Done.

The public workers unions have taken pay cuts and have picked up more on their health care.....those are substantial and tangible sacrifices to save money.

Tell us how much money the loss of collective bargaining saves for the state. Give us a figure.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Then Grandfather it like they are doing with some public unions in CA....don't change the rules for the players in the middle of their career. Would you like that for your job?

That defeats the purpose. The reason for the legislation is the taxpayers and the state cannot afford the present and projected expense.
The alternative is if grandfathering is done, massive layoffs of employees. At that point thse workers would receive a servarance plus any benefits due. No pension. No health insurance. The result is the same.
What is better, serveral thousand people with NO job and no benefits? OR everyone gets to keep their job with fewer benefits and limited collective bargaining?
At the end of the day, workers are going to get less.
All workers must sacrifice. It is what it is. Done.

The public workers unions have taken pay cuts and have picked up more on their health care.....those are substantial and tangible sacrifices to save money.

Tell us how much money the loss of collective bargaining saves for the state. Give us a figure.

Apparently not enough cuts were made.
The basis of this legislation is to prevent further increases without the scrutiny of the legislature.
US? You mean "YOU"....
When the figures are published, we'll get them.
This is a preventative measure which should have taken place earlier. Unfortunately politicians friendly to the unions shirked their responsibility to the taxpayers.
Look, if you are so inclined to help your union bretheren, write a check.