Why Won't Democrats Investigate Joe Biden's Quid Pro Quo with Ukraine?

[LoneLaugher]

Because he didn’t seek personal benefit. He was working in the nation’s interest and was fully supported by the State Department in his open and transparent actions.


Moron.

Don't be so hard on yourself. I wouldn't go so far as calling you a Moron. Maybe politically inept, and idiotic.

So Hunter Biden getting an $83K per month BOARD POSITION from the Ukraine gas company just because his father was VP and now a candidate for President is certainly quid pro quo. No question Biden knew all about this and it is the real scandal.

Wrong on all counts. Great work.

 

[NoVote]

Why investigate? He already admitted guilt. It's probably past the statute of limitation already.

 

[Olde Europe]

Democrats will NEVER cooperate with an investigation that might lead to any of their key members going to jail.

Of course, they are Democrats, after all.

The far more interesting question, however, would be this: Why didn't the GOP-controlled Senate bring their investigative powers to bear and investigate Biden's corruption - I mean, Biden bragged about it openly, so that case should be open and shut in no time, and Trump would smile over it all day long.

So, really, isn't their inaction really a dereliction of duty? And how would you explain that?

 

[Third Party]

Joe Biden publicly, on video, stated that in 2016 he threatened Ukraine with the loss of $1 billion in loan guarantees if Ukraine didn't fire its chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was in charge of the investigation into the Ukrainian company Burisma. After the investigation into Burisma began, Burisma hired the totally unqualified Hunter Biden for the whopping salary of $50K per month. Hunter Biden, by his own admission, had no qualifications for the job. In response to Joe Biden's threat to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees, the Ukrainian government fired Shokin, and the next prosecutor obligingly and quickly exonerated Burisma.

Democrats and some phony conservatives argue that technically Shokin was not investigating Burisma at the time because the investigation was supposedly "dormant." First off, Shokin himself has debunked that claim--he says the investigation was not dormant. But, even if it had been, a "dormant" investigation is still an investigation, not a closed one. As Marc Thiessen has pointed out,

First, the phrase "dormant" means, by definition, that an investigation into Burisma existed and was not closed. Second, we don't know for certain that the Burisma investigation was, in fact, "dormant." Shokin has sworn in an affidavit it was not. (Why is the media bending over backward to absolve the Bidens of wrongdoing? | Marc Thiessen)​

Let's recap: Shokin opens an investigation into Burisma. Burisma hires Hunter Biden. Joe Biden comes to Ukraine and threatens to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees if Shokin is not fired. Poroshenko caves into Biden's threat and fired Shokin. The next prosecutor quickly exonerates Burisma, which employs Hunter Biden. Now, what do you call that? Hey? What is that? Quid Pro Quo, that's what it is.

So why won't Democrats investigate this shady episode? And why are they upset because Trump wants Ukraine to look into this shady series of events? Why did Biden lie about not discussing his son's Burisma dealings with him? Why have so many documents and other evidence emerged that plainly contradict Biden's story?

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Who says he is unqualified. Generally a Board of Directors does not run the company. They can be picked for their name. There is nothing illegal. The fact is that the investigation had been closed. Shokin was a corrupt prosecutor who refused to root out corruption. The international community knew it and the head of the IMF expressed the same doubts about sending money to Trump. Ukrainians knew it as there were large protests against Shokin. This is a tweet from a Ukrainian who has fought corruption in Ukraine.
Thank you @OliverBullough - indeed it’s insane to use UKRAINE as a ball at the AMERICAN national political field. Prosecutor Shokin did not open the case on Zlochevskyi & Burisma. He dumped it. And he was fired for being corrupt and failing prosecution reform @kenvogel

Shokin had closed the case against Burisma BEFORE Biden came to Ukraine. I know you Trump toadies will continue to lie about it as long as Biden leads Trump in the polls.

The fact is there is not a shred of evidence of anything shady. Just because you clowns say there is does not make it so. There has to be some evidence to open a investigation. It does not have to meet a beyond reasonable doubt standard but there has to be evidence. You do not open a investigation just to open a investigation.

Neither Hunter nor Trump did anything wrong. This is just the results of two parties that hate each other in a death match. THIS is why we need a third party-the competition would straighten their asses out.

Trump did do something wrong. He abused his authority. Getting a foreign country to investigate your political rival is very wrong. Also turning over internal polling data and other campaign information to a associate is wrong. Using the Presidency to make money is wrong as well. At least wait until you get out of office.

As an Independent, I am objective-you are not. Therefore, I am right and you are wrong. Trump does many things improperly, but not impeachment improper-that is only a fairy tale made up by Democrats and the media. Get your head straight.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Because he didn’t seek personal benefit. He was working in the nation’s interest and was fully supported by the State Department in his open and transparent actions.


Moron.

Don't be so hard on yourself. I wouldn't go so far as calling you a Moron. Maybe politically inept, and idiotic.

So Hunter Biden getting an $83K per month BOARD POSITION from the Ukraine gas company just because his father was VP and now a candidate for President is certainly quid pro quo. No question Biden knew all about this and it is the real scandal.

S
Wrong on all counts. Great work.

So he didnt make 80 grand a month smoking crack?

 

[jasonnfree]

Democrats will NEVER cooperate with an investigation that might lead to any of their key members going to jail.

Of course, they are Democrats, after all.

The far more interesting question, however, would be this: Why didn't the GOP-controlled Senate bring their investigative powers to bear and investigate Biden's corruption - I mean, Biden bragged about it openly, so that case should be open and shut in no time, and Trump would smile over it all day long.

So, really, isn't their inaction really a dereliction of duty? And how would you explain that?

Touche'

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Because he didn’t seek personal benefit. He was working in the nation’s interest and was fully supported by the State Department in his open and transparent actions.


Moron.

We don't know that.

Yes we do. Moron.

No. We don't.

 

[BlindBoo]

What an interesting question.

I'll go with 'objective reality'.

That's how our foreign policy uses aid to get foreign governments to enact policies beneficial to the United States and our allies.

Unlike Trumpybears "Shakedown" which was an attempt to weaponize the "Public Announcement" against his political enemies.

 

[2aguy]

Because he didn’t seek personal benefit. He was working in the nation’s interest and was fully supported by the State Department in his open and transparent actions.


Moron.

Wow.....you are drinking again......you should stop.

 

[2aguy]

Because he didn’t seek personal benefit. He was working in the nation’s interest and was fully supported by the State Department in his open and transparent actions.


Moron.

Yes....why can't people see that Joe Biden protecting his son while the son is getting millions of un-earned dollars from the Ukraine was helping the U.S......enriching the Biden's = helping the U.S.....what don't you guys understand?

 

[BlindBoo]

Because he didn’t seek personal benefit. He was working in the nation’s interest and was fully supported by the State Department in his open and transparent actions.


Moron.

Yes....why can't people see that Joe Biden protecting his son while the son is getting millions of un-earned dollars from the Ukraine was helping the U.S......enriching the Biden's = helping the U.S.....what don't you guys understand?

"Interviews with more than a dozen people, including executives and former prosecutors in Ukraine, paint a picture of a director who provided advice on legal issues, corporate finance and strategy during a five-year term on the board, which ended in April of this year.

Biden never visited Ukraine for company business during that time, according to three of the people.

They also said that his presence on the board didn’t protect the company from its most serious challenge: a series of criminal investigations launched by Ukrainian authorities against its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, a multimillionaire former minister of ecology and natural resources. The allegations concern tax violations, money-laundering and licences given to Burisma during the period where Zlochevsky was a minister."

What Hunter Biden did on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma

"In an interview with Reuters in September, former Ukraine prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko said Hunter Biden’s position on the board when his father was vice-president raised no red flags. “From the point of view of Ukrainian law, (Hunter Biden) didn’t violate anything,” Lutsenko said.

Ukraine’s new general prosecutor Ruslan Ryaboshapka, who took over in August, said he was not aware of any wrongdoing by Hunter Biden. His office announced on Oct 4 that it was reviewing 15 previous investigations related to Zlochevsky but no decision had been taken on how to proceed against him or people related to him.

The White House declined to comment"

 

[2aguy]

Because he didn’t seek personal benefit. He was working in the nation’s interest and was fully supported by the State Department in his open and transparent actions.


Moron.

Yes....why can't people see that Joe Biden protecting his son while the son is getting millions of un-earned dollars from the Ukraine was helping the U.S......enriching the Biden's = helping the U.S.....what don't you guys understand?

"Interviews with more than a dozen people, including executives and former prosecutors in Ukraine, paint a picture of a director who provided advice on legal issues, corporate finance and strategy during a five-year term on the board, which ended in April of this year.

Biden never visited Ukraine for company business during that time, according to three of the people.

They also said that his presence on the board didn’t protect the company from its most serious challenge: a series of criminal investigations launched by Ukrainian authorities against its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, a multimillionaire former minister of ecology and natural resources. The allegations concern tax violations, money-laundering and licences given to Burisma during the period where Zlochevsky was a minister."

What Hunter Biden did on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma

"In an interview with Reuters in September, former Ukraine prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko said Hunter Biden’s position on the board when his father was vice-president raised no red flags. “From the point of view of Ukrainian law, (Hunter Biden) didn’t violate anything,” Lutsenko said.

Ukraine’s new general prosecutor Ruslan Ryaboshapka, who took over in August, said he was not aware of any wrongdoing by Hunter Biden. His office announced on Oct 4 that it was reviewing 15 previous investigations related to Zlochevsky but no decision had been taken on how to proceed against him or people related to him.

The White House declined to comment"

It was hunter biden on the board that gave them cover, you dope.....daddy pressured them to stop investigating them.......or they would lose a billion dollars...that we know of.....

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Joe Biden publicly, on video, stated that in 2016 he threatened Ukraine with the loss of $1 billion in loan guarantees if Ukraine didn't fire its chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was in charge of the investigation into the Ukrainian company Burisma. After the investigation into Burisma began, Burisma hired the totally unqualified Hunter Biden for the whopping salary of $50K per month. Hunter Biden, by his own admission, had no qualifications for the job. In response to Joe Biden's threat to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees, the Ukrainian government fired Shokin, and the next prosecutor obligingly and quickly exonerated Burisma.

Democrats and some phony conservatives argue that technically Shokin was not investigating Burisma at the time because the investigation was supposedly "dormant." First off, Shokin himself has debunked that claim--he says the investigation was not dormant. But, even if it had been, a "dormant" investigation is still an investigation, not a closed one. As Marc Thiessen has pointed out,

First, the phrase "dormant" means, by definition, that an investigation into Burisma existed and was not closed. Second, we don't know for certain that the Burisma investigation was, in fact, "dormant." Shokin has sworn in an affidavit it was not. (Why is the media bending over backward to absolve the Bidens of wrongdoing? | Marc Thiessen)​

Let's recap: Shokin opens an investigation into Burisma. Burisma hires Hunter Biden. Joe Biden comes to Ukraine and threatens to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees if Shokin is not fired. Poroshenko caves into Biden's threat and fired Shokin. The next prosecutor quickly exonerates Burisma, which employs Hunter Biden. Now, what do you call that? Hey? What is that? Quid Pro Quo, that's what it is.

So why won't Democrats investigate this shady episode? And why are they upset because Trump wants Ukraine to look into this shady series of events? Why did Biden lie about not discussing his son's Burisma dealings with him? Why have so many documents and other evidence emerged that plainly contradict Biden's story?

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Why Won't Democrats Investigate Joe Biden's Quid Pro Quo with Ukraine?

Because there's nothing to investigate, dope.

 

[BlindBoo]

Because he didn’t seek personal benefit. He was working in the nation’s interest and was fully supported by the State Department in his open and transparent actions.


Moron.

Yes....why can't people see that Joe Biden protecting his son while the son is getting millions of un-earned dollars from the Ukraine was helping the U.S......enriching the Biden's = helping the U.S.....what don't you guys understand?

"Interviews with more than a dozen people, including executives and former prosecutors in Ukraine, paint a picture of a director who provided advice on legal issues, corporate finance and strategy during a five-year term on the board, which ended in April of this year.

Biden never visited Ukraine for company business during that time, according to three of the people.

They also said that his presence on the board didn’t protect the company from its most serious challenge: a series of criminal investigations launched by Ukrainian authorities against its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, a multimillionaire former minister of ecology and natural resources. The allegations concern tax violations, money-laundering and licences given to Burisma during the period where Zlochevsky was a minister."

What Hunter Biden did on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma

"In an interview with Reuters in September, former Ukraine prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko said Hunter Biden’s position on the board when his father was vice-president raised no red flags. “From the point of view of Ukrainian law, (Hunter Biden) didn’t violate anything,” Lutsenko said.

Ukraine’s new general prosecutor Ruslan Ryaboshapka, who took over in August, said he was not aware of any wrongdoing by Hunter Biden. His office announced on Oct 4 that it was reviewing 15 previous investigations related to Zlochevsky but no decision had been taken on how to proceed against him or people related to him.

The White House declined to comment"

It was hunter biden on the board that gave them cover, you dope.....daddy pressured them to stop investigating them.......or they would lose a billion dollars...that we know of.....

• First off, Ukraine is a very corrupt country. This is the one thing that all sides agree on.
• In particular, Ukraine’s Prosecutor General in 2016 was Viktor Shokin, a man so corrupt that both the IMF and pretty much every European country insisted he be removed if Ukraine wanted any assistance from the outside world.
• At this time, Shokin was not investigating Burisma, the energy company on which Hunter Biden held a board seat. This is one of the (many) reasons he was considered corrupt.
• Joe Biden later told the story of Shokin’s firing like this: “I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’ Well, son of a bitch. He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.” Now, this might be a bit of Biden exaggeration, but it accurately describes the general attitude toward Shokin at the time.
• A new Prosecutor General was appointed and immediately reopened the investigation into Burisma. In other words, by switching prosecutors Biden probably made things harder on his son, not easier.
• The new prosecutor eventually reached a deal with Burisma. As with everything in Ukraine, it’s unclear if this was on the up-and-up, but in any case it happened after Trump had won election and Joe Biden no longer had any power or influence.
• There has never been even a hint of evidence that Hunter Biden did anything wrong. He’s a Washington lobbyist who sits on various boards and had done a few small jobs for Burisma during the Obama administration. The head of Burisma at the time was trying to assemble an “all-star” board of directors and approached Hunter Biden. Was this an attempt to curry favor with the White House? I wouldn’t be surprised. But that has nothing to do with Hunter Biden’s work for Burisma, which he says was mostly about corporate governance.
• The new prosecutor has stated many times that his investigation came up with absolutely nothing on Hunter Biden.
• Likewise, there’s not a hint of evidence that Joe Biden ever did anything wrong.

The Hunter Biden Timeline

 

[Muhammed]

There was no open investigation of Burisma. It had been shut down BEFORE Biden came to Ukraine.

The prosecutor says the investigation was still open. Did you not read the OP?

If the Burisma investigation was "shut down," why did Burisma hire the totally unqualified Hunter Biden and pay him an exorbitant salary?

The reason we meddled was because we did not want American tax dollars lost to corruption.

LOL! REAAALLLLLYY?! How do you suppose Iran used the $150 billion that Obama handed to them via the Iran nuke deal? And, uh, if Biden didn't want our money "lost to corruption," why did he use extortion to shut down Shokin's investigation into corruption? Why do you suppose Burisma hired, of all people, Hunter Biden, who had zero qualifications for the job, and paid him $50K per month? Do you people even think before you repeat your talking points?

The State Department official says he was concerned about the appearance of impropriety. He has never claimed that either Hunter Biden or Joe Biden were doing anything wrong.

I'm guessing you are basing this on left-wing news sources. Would you like to read what that State Department official himself has said?

State Department official told Congress he raised concerns about Hunter Biden's Ukraine dealings in 2015 but was ignored

There was no Shokin investigation into corruption. That is why he was fired. That is why Biden threatened to withhold the money. The fact is to sit on the board of directors, there are no qualifications. Sometimes the name is the reason someone sits on the board. Hunter Biden was on the board until he resigned this year. That is a few years AFTER Biden left office. You are the one repeating talking points. Trump tells you what to say.

Daria Kaleniuk‏ @dkaleniuk
Replying to @OliverBullough
Thank you @OliverBullough - indeed it’s insane to use UKRAINE as a ball at the AMERICAN national political field. Prosecutor Shokin did not open the case on Zlochevskyi & Burisma. He dumped it. And he was fired for being corrupt and failing prosecution reform @kenvogel

12:52 PM - 2 May 2019

This is a Ukrainian anti-corruption activist. I suppose she is using talking points.

Kalenuik is from the ironically named Anti-Corruption Action Center, an NGO jointly funded by the Obama administration and George Soros. They organized astroturf protests against Shokin after he opened an embezzlement investigation against them.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes....why can't people see that Joe Biden protecting his son while the son is getting millions of un-earned dollars from the Ukraine was helping the U.S......enriching the Biden's = helping the U.S.....what don't you guys understand?

yeah, I remember when Biden had to pay 2 million dollars after he diverted money he raised for veterans to his campaign... Oh, wait, that was Trump.