Why the poor should be taxed more heavily.

[Againsheila]

You mean, how dare I stand up for the poor?



Ironic, isn't it, that our country takes in more immigrants legally than all the other nations combined and we aren't welcome in their country's.

No, how dare you assume poor people aren't capable and/or willing to work hard and become wealthy.
Your tale of woe suggests that your decision making stinks. But that's irrelevant. Your whole personal experience is irrelevant because that is one story out of hundreds of millions.
We take in more immigrants because we have a tradition to so and because they have contributed more to this society than most of those born here, who would rather sit around and talk about how The Man has victimized them.

AGain, BULCRAP. I worked those berry fields. I remember at 18, taking my sister in law, from Thailand, to the busstop to go pick berries. The bus driver had never met either one of us, yet he took her and left me standing at the busstop. In fact, I was the only one left standing there and coincidentally was they only Caucasian/American there. I grew up picking berries when the only berry pickers there were Caucasian.

We take in more immigrants because Americans have chosen to limit their children and as a result, in order to keep our wages low, we must take in more immigrants.

Supply and Demand. Why is it that people only want capitalism when it benefits them? When it benefits someone else, they want socialism?

I know a lot of poor people who work damn hard...I know several rich people who barely work at all.....

It takes more than hard work to become rich in today's society.

 

[Vast LWC]

hmmmmmmmm.....who are the 50% in this country that are eligible to vote, who DON'T VOTE? the educated? the entrepreneur? the wealthy? the working class? or the poor?

I have to tell you, having once been poor (but no longer), that it's much easier to find the time to do your homework and go vote when you aren't working two minimum wage jobs so your family can eat.

The wealthy and the old are the most likely categories to vote. The wealthy because they have lots of free time and the old because they're retired and have nothing better to do than worry about politics.

 

[The Rabbi]

No, the whiners are inner city Blacks (all Democrats).
But I suspect you are confusing "whining" (we want the gov't to do more for us) with "protest" (we want the gov't to stay the heck out of our business).
In fact I'm sure of it.

 

[Care4all]

mountain man,

FYI
income taxes do NOT work in the manner you described.

if up to 40k is taxed at 15% and the next tax bracket up, over 40k is 30% as you described, then under our tax system, the person would pay ONLY 15% taxes on the 40k and 30% ONLY ON WHAT WAS EARNED OVER SUCH AMOUNT.

SO, as example, if someone made 42k a year, 2k would be taxed at 30% and the rest up to 40k was taxed at the 15%....

there is NO DISINCENTIVE to not EARN more money in our tax system....you NEVER NET LESS MONEY BY EARNING MORE....even if the tax rate is as you stated.

care

 

[Titanic Sailor]

Why does anyone associate the Republican Party with conservatives? That's another fallacy, and why we are here today. Bush proved that. Republicrats and Democrats, same thing, and why we need a new Party.
A bunch of rich, social elitists running our nation, and running it into the ground because they don't care. They never cared about paying off the debt. Rich people, lawyers, scum, and we let them rule us. F that. I'm no slave.

The Third Party. I like it.

 

[Care4all]

Democrats are generally richer than Republicans.

The whiners on the right are not necessarily "Haves" (as opposed to "Have nots"), by any means.

And they often have been known to complain about illegal immigrants stealing jobs, etc, etc,

or that the liberals have been spending all the country's money, when in fact their own party is responsible for a great majority of the country's debt.

And meanwhile Red States pay less in taxes and receive more in Federal Funding than Blue states.

So, who are the people sitting around with nothing?

Who complaining "it's someone else's fault"?

oh, but the truth like that hurts too much to face up to, i suppose?

 

[Sinatra]

You mean, how dare I stand up for the poor?



Ironic, isn't it, that our country takes in more immigrants legally than all the other nations combined and we aren't welcome in their country's.

No, how dare you assume poor people aren't capable and/or willing to work hard and become wealthy.
Your tale of woe suggests that your decision making stinks. But that's irrelevant. Your whole personal experience is irrelevant because that is one story out of hundreds of millions.
We take in more immigrants because we have a tradition to so and because they have contributed more to this society than most of those born here, who would rather sit around and talk about how The Man has victimized them.

AGain, BULCRAP. I worked those berry fields. I remember at 18, taking my sister in law, from Thailand, to the busstop to go pick berries. The bus driver had never met either one of us, yet he took her and left me standing at the busstop. In fact, I was the only one left standing there and coincidentally was they only Caucasian/American there. I grew up picking berries when the only berry pickers there were Caucasian.

We take in more immigrants because Americans have chosen to limit their children and as a result, in order to keep our wages low, we must take in more immigrants.

Supply and Demand. Why is it that people only want capitalism when it benefits them? When it benefits someone else, they want socialism?

I know a lot of poor people who work damn hard...I know several rich people who barely work at all.....

It takes more than hard work to become rich in today's society.

Generally true - you need to have a some amount of intelligence as well...

 

[Vast LWC]

No, the whiners are inner city Blacks (all Democrats).
But I suspect you are confusing "whining" (we want the gov't to do more for us) with "protest" (we want the gov't to stay the heck out of our business).
In fact I'm sure of it.

Strange, I haven't heard of any major "Inner City Black" whines about "The Man" keeping them down since Obama was elected.

I sure have heard a whole lot of whining from the right about having to pay the same amount of taxes as everybody else though.

 

[Vast LWC]

Why does anyone associate the Republican Party with conservatives? That's another fallacy, and why we are here today. Bush proved that. Republicrats and Democrats, same thing, and why we need a new Party.
A bunch of rich, social elitists running our nation, and running it into the ground because they don't care. They never cared about paying off the debt. Rich people, lawyers, scum, and we let them rule us. F that. I'm no slave.

The Third Party. I like it.

While I agree that Modern Republicans, in general are NOT conservatives for the most part...

Conservatives VOTE for them. Thus the association.

Third party? I'm all for it.

 

[Titanic Sailor]

Vast left wing slaves to corrupt thieving government. How's the hope and change going? Did you get a new Cadillac?

Right down the dumper, gazillions in debt, and now Bush failures have become a secondary concern. Only a Democrats could figure out a way to outBush Bush, and why he was President twice.

Can we bring Bush back for a third term? We were a much better nation under them even though he sucked too.

 

[Vast LWC]

Generally true - you need to have a some amount of intelligence as well...

And it sure does help when daddy has enough money to send you to a good college.
Especially if he was an alumni.

 

[Titanic Sailor]

Good, then let's hope we can get it done in my lifetime. I think they are working very hard already to make sure it can't happen.

 

[The Rabbi]

No, the whiners are inner city Blacks (all Democrats).
But I suspect you are confusing "whining" (we want the gov't to do more for us) with "protest" (we want the gov't to stay the heck out of our business).
In fact I'm sure of it.

Strange, I haven't heard of any major "Inner City Black" whines about "The Man" keeping them down since Obama was elected.

I sure have heard a whole lot of whining from the right about having to pay the same amount of taxes as everybody else though.

You need to get out more.

 

[crowonapost]

If you are speaking of the federal government, I don't approve of the tax setup as it is, As such, I can't say yes to your idea. If you are speaking of the respective states, I would say that is their call.

The federal government has already decided to use taxation as a method to discourage certain behavior. Why haven't they discouraged poverty via taxation if that is such a good method?

It's hard to be discouraged if you already don't have anything.
Have you ever met anyone poor? Seriously?

It's already being done to the wealthiest. Their response has been to hide money in offshore accounts and to move their companies overseas to avoid taxation. It's not working out to well now, is it?

if all I had was a forty ouncer & the local man was out to get it, I'd go hide it too. If I happened to have an entire distillery & vats of beer in the basement & then went to hide that one 40 ouncer in my hand, I'd look like one stupid selfish son of bitch.

But hey, it's your logic game.

 

[Fatality]

If you knew that if you were going to be taxed 30% if you made less than $40k in income, but only 15% if you made over $40k in income, wouldn't you do your damnedest to earn $40k?

this highlites a certain point, and that is "the poor" are poor by choice.

Yes because people actually want to live in poverty.

yep, some do, you finally figuring that out?

 

[Vast LWC]

Vast left wing slaves to corrupt thieving government. How's the hope and change going? Did you get a new Cadillac?

Right down the dumper, gazillions in debt, and now Bush failures have become a secondary concern. Only a Democrats could figure out a way to outBush Bush, and why he was President twice.

Can we bring Bush back for a third term? We were a much better nation under them even though he sucked too.

I'm not really sure about any of your post. Seems a bit incomprehensible.

Let's assume that you're saying Obama is spending more than Bush?

Well, let's break that down:

1) 1/4 of the Federal Budget is going to interest on pre-existing Republican caused debt, specifically 10 Trillion Dollars worth of Republican debt starting with the Reagan administration.
Now, I'm not sure what interest rates that money was borrowed at, but let's say it was borrowed at a low 3% interest rate, just for the sake of argument. And that's a very low estimate I'd say.
3% of 10 Trillion is 300 billion dollars a year.
That is all money that is still being spent by Republican administrations. So, let's subtract that from the deficit Mr Obama is supposedly incurring, and add it up...

That means that thanks to Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, 1.2 Trillion dollars will be added to the debt over the next 4 years.

2) As for the 700 Billion Dollars that Mr Obama spent on the stimulus package.
That package was to fix a pre-existing problem that was caused by the Bush administration. So we'll have to subtract that too.

Which leaves us with 1 Trillion (700 Billion + 300 Billion) taken off of just this year's deficit, as far as Obama's fault is concerned anyway.

3) Then we must take off the $180 Billion Dollars that were the costs of TARP transactions, which I don't need to remind you, were the Bush administrations' fault.

Which brings us to 1.18 Trillion dollars.

4) The rest of the deficit can be explained by the 24% loss in revenues that occurred as a result of the Bush Administration's recession.

So, it would seem, just about all of the deficit for this year can in fact be laid directly at the feet of Republican administrations, with the immediately previous administration being the worst offender.

 

[Vast LWC]

You need to get out more.

I live in New York City, and have a lot of black friends.

I think I would have been among the first to hear of any "whining" from "Inner City Blacks".

 

[Vast LWC]

Hey, and look here's an interesting article from the CBO that seems to prove my point, though it seems we're actually doing better than they expected:

Based on Bush's actions and economic conditions, the CBO projected a $1.2 trillion deficit on January 7. That would be a month BEFORE Obama took office.

From CBO's January 2009 budget report, released on January 7:

The ongoing turmoil in the housing and financial markets has taken a major toll on the federal budget. CBO currently projects that the deficit this year will total $1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP. That total, however, does not include the effects of any future legislation. Enactment of an economic stimulus package, for example, would add to the 2009 deficit. In any event, as a percentage of GDP, the deficit will most likely shatter the previous post-World War II record high of 6.0 percent posted in 1983.

A drop in tax revenues and increased federal spending (much of it related to the government's actions to address the crisis in the housing and financial markets) both contribute to the robust growth in this year's deficit. Compared with receipts last year, collections from corporate income taxes are anticipated to decline by 27 percent and individual income taxes by 8 percent; in normal economic conditions, they would both grow by several percentage points. In addition, the estimated deficit includes outlays of more than $180 billion to reflect the cost of transactions of the TARP.

The projected deficit for 2009 also incorporates CBO's estimate of the cost to the federal government of the recent takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Because those entities were created and chartered by the government, are responsible for implementing certain government policies, and are currently under the direct control of the federal government, CBO has concluded that their operations should be reflected in the federal budget. Recognizing the cost of the takeover adds about $200 billion (in discounted present-value terms) to the deficit this year, reflecting the long-term net cost of the more than $5 trillion in credit guarantees issued and loans held by those entities at the start of the fiscal year. In addition, the cost of Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's new credit activity in 2009 will total $38 billion, CBO estimates.

 

[Fatality]

You need to get out more.

I live in New York City, and have a lot of black friends.

I think I would have been among the first to hear of any "whining" from "Inner City Blacks".

cause you got da pipline wiht the brothas huh? and they keep u in da loop? right? you fucking racist!

 

[Vast LWC]

cause you got da pipline wiht the brothas huh? and they keep u in da loop? right? you fucking racist!

See, now why would you have to be an asshole and go there?

I was responding to a poster who was making a statment concerning "Inner City Blacks" in a giant stereotype.

If anything, I would think that his post was "racist", but I wasn't going to go there at all.

I was simply pointing out that my personal experience of KNOWING a lot of "inner city black" folk, the very people that the poster was generalizing about, did not bear out his assumption.

And then here you come trying to throw out the race card.