Why the hell we don't shoot down US planes?

[Stratford57]

Putin admits Russian military presence in Ukraine for first time

A quote from your link:
Putin said: “We never said there were not people there who carried out certain tasks including in the military sphere.” He insisted this was not the same as regular Russian troops.

Where did Putin admitted his military presence? It was just a spin from Guardian. I have listened to ALL Putin's speeches and interviews. He kept saying there were Russian citizens who went to support (it's a big difference with regular Russian troops)their relatives and friends in Donbass when Kiev started the war against its own people. Was Putin supposed to stop them? What you, Western people, DO NOT understand is that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people artificially separated. So Ukrainians have families in Russia and visa versa.

FYI, there were Georgians, Lithuanians, Americans etc. fighting against Donbass civilians just because they did not support American invasion and voted for separation from Ukraine after the coup. That what you have to pay attention to: Kiev came to Donbass to kill their civilians, and that is called genocide.
Dangerous Propaganda: Network Close To NATO Military Leader Fueled Ukraine Conflict - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International


Americans have been carefully shielded from the ugly underbelly of Ukraine’s Maidan uprising in 2014 that overthrew the elected president and installed a U.S.-backed, fiercely anti-Russian regime which has unleashed armed neo-Nazis. But a French documentary has dared to expose this grim reality, as Gilbert Doctorow describes.
A Look at Ukraine's Dark Side

Military advisers...........we know what that means...............neither side is squeaky clean............Please don't say that isn't the case...................that isn't realistic.....

And there are no real solutions to the shit hole in Syria either...............it is a mess............so let's call each other names and avoid the situation there..................

I'll be quite honest..........I don't know any real solution to what I'm seeing there. Other than killing ISIS and getting the fuck out.............but in that..........we abandon the Kurds...............and there are a whole lot of them there now............If the powers to be decide to kill them after we leave.................They aren't going down without a fight.............they have been killed by everyone...........and are some of the toughest fighters in the neighborhood now.........why Turkey wants them dead so bad................and Syria.......Iraq.............Iran.............they all were used to killing them without casualties for so long they don't know what to do when they get their asses handed to them by the Kurds now.............it's a mess.

Looks like something may come out of this:

ISTANBUL, October 27. /TASS/. Leaders of Russia, Germany, France and Turkey have begun four-party talks on Syria in Istanbul’s Vahdettin Pavilion, an official residence of Turkey’s president and a state guest house.

The Kremlin had reported earlier that the four-party talks in Istanbul were expected to focus on the political solution to the Syria crisis, on further steps strengthening security and stability, on conditions for the return of refugees and on restoration of the country’s social and economic infrastructure.

UN Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura, who will step down in late November, is scheduled to brief the summit’s participants. De Mistura said earlier that he wants to remind the four leaders that after localizing the problem in Idlib, an international consensus is necessary to support UN actions on establishing a constitutional committee.

Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov acknowledged that the countries have different approaches, but noted that "overall everybody wants to see a political solution in Syria."

"That is a common goal, while certain disagreements may exist regarding the instruments and tactics," he explained. "Now we are speaking about a combination of various formats in order to compare notes, to hold discussions and try to find the common ground," Peskov said.

Syria summit of Russian, German, French, Turkish leaders begins in Istanbul

 

[eagle1462010]

Putin admits Russian military presence in Ukraine for first time

A quote from your link:
Putin said: “We never said there were not people there who carried out certain tasks including in the military sphere.” He insisted this was not the same as regular Russian troops.

Where did Putin admitted his military presence? It was just a spin from Guardian. I have listened to ALL Putin's speeches and interviews. He kept saying there were Russian citizens who went to support (it's a big difference with regular Russian troops)their relatives and friends in Donbass when Kiev started the war against its own people. Was Putin supposed to stop them? What you, Western people, DO NOT understand is that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people artificially separated. So Ukrainians have families in Russia and visa versa.

FYI, there were Georgians, Lithuanians, Americans etc. fighting against Donbass civilians just because they did not support American invasion and voted for separation from Ukraine after the coup. That what you have to pay attention to: Kiev came to Donbass to kill their civilians, and that is called genocide.
Dangerous Propaganda: Network Close To NATO Military Leader Fueled Ukraine Conflict - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International


Americans have been carefully shielded from the ugly underbelly of Ukraine’s Maidan uprising in 2014 that overthrew the elected president and installed a U.S.-backed, fiercely anti-Russian regime which has unleashed armed neo-Nazis. But a French documentary has dared to expose this grim reality, as Gilbert Doctorow describes.
A Look at Ukraine's Dark Side

Military advisers...........we know what that means...............neither side is squeaky clean............Please don't say that isn't the case...................that isn't realistic.....

And there are no real solutions to the shit hole in Syria either...............it is a mess............so let's call each other names and avoid the situation there..................

I'll be quite honest..........I don't know any real solution to what I'm seeing there. Other than killing ISIS and getting the fuck out.............but in that..........we abandon the Kurds...............and there are a whole lot of them there now............If the powers to be decide to kill them after we leave.................They aren't going down without a fight.............they have been killed by everyone...........and are some of the toughest fighters in the neighborhood now.........why Turkey wants them dead so bad................and Syria.......Iraq.............Iran.............they all were used to killing them without casualties for so long they don't know what to do when they get their asses handed to them by the Kurds now.............it's a mess.

Looks like something may come out of this:

ISTANBUL, October 27. /TASS/. Leaders of Russia, Germany, France and Turkey have begun four-party talks on Syria in Istanbul’s Vahdettin Pavilion, an official residence of Turkey’s president and a state guest house.

The Kremlin had reported earlier that the four-party talks in Istanbul were expected to focus on the political solution to the Syria crisis, on further steps strengthening security and stability, on conditions for the return of refugees and on restoration of the country’s social and economic infrastructure.

UN Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura, who will step down in late November, is scheduled to brief the summit’s participants. De Mistura said earlier that he wants to remind the four leaders that after localizing the problem in Idlib, an international consensus is necessary to support UN actions on establishing a constitutional committee.

Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov acknowledged that the countries have different approaches, but noted that "overall everybody wants to see a political solution in Syria."

"That is a common goal, while certain disagreements may exist regarding the instruments and tactics," he explained. "Now we are speaking about a combination of various formats in order to compare notes, to hold discussions and try to find the common ground," Peskov said.

Syria summit of Russian, German, French, Turkish leaders begins in Istanbul

They can talk all they want............the Hate for each other from many groups is extreme..............

Perhaps they can find a way out of it..............but given 7 years plus of War........will be very tough.

 

[Stratford57]

Putin admits Russian military presence in Ukraine for first time

A quote from your link:
Putin said: “We never said there were not people there who carried out certain tasks including in the military sphere.” He insisted this was not the same as regular Russian troops.

Where did Putin admitted his military presence? It was just a spin from Guardian. I have listened to ALL Putin's speeches and interviews. He kept saying there were Russian citizens who went to support (it's a big difference with regular Russian troops)their relatives and friends in Donbass when Kiev started the war against its own people. Was Putin supposed to stop them? What you, Western people, DO NOT understand is that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people artificially separated. So Ukrainians have families in Russia and visa versa.

FYI, there were Georgians, Lithuanians, Americans etc. fighting against Donbass civilians just because they did not support American invasion and voted for separation from Ukraine after the coup. That what you have to pay attention to: Kiev came to Donbass to kill their civilians, and that is called genocide.
Dangerous Propaganda: Network Close To NATO Military Leader Fueled Ukraine Conflict - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International


Americans have been carefully shielded from the ugly underbelly of Ukraine’s Maidan uprising in 2014 that overthrew the elected president and installed a U.S.-backed, fiercely anti-Russian regime which has unleashed armed neo-Nazis. But a French documentary has dared to expose this grim reality, as Gilbert Doctorow describes.
A Look at Ukraine's Dark Side

Military advisers...........we know what that means...............neither side is squeaky clean............Please don't say that isn't the case...................that isn't realistic.....

And there are no real solutions to the shit hole in Syria either...............it is a mess............so let's call each other names and avoid the situation there..................

I'll be quite honest..........I don't know any real solution to what I'm seeing there. Other than killing ISIS and getting the fuck out.............but in that..........we abandon the Kurds...............and there are a whole lot of them there now............If the powers to be decide to kill them after we leave.................They aren't going down without a fight.............they have been killed by everyone...........and are some of the toughest fighters in the neighborhood now.........why Turkey wants them dead so bad................and Syria.......Iraq.............Iran.............they all were used to killing them without casualties for so long they don't know what to do when they get their asses handed to them by the Kurds now.............it's a mess.

Looks like something may come out of this:

ISTANBUL, October 27. /TASS/. Leaders of Russia, Germany, France and Turkey have begun four-party talks on Syria in Istanbul’s Vahdettin Pavilion, an official residence of Turkey’s president and a state guest house.

The Kremlin had reported earlier that the four-party talks in Istanbul were expected to focus on the political solution to the Syria crisis, on further steps strengthening security and stability, on conditions for the return of refugees and on restoration of the country’s social and economic infrastructure.

UN Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura, who will step down in late November, is scheduled to brief the summit’s participants. De Mistura said earlier that he wants to remind the four leaders that after localizing the problem in Idlib, an international consensus is necessary to support UN actions on establishing a constitutional committee.

Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov acknowledged that the countries have different approaches, but noted that "overall everybody wants to see a political solution in Syria."

"That is a common goal, while certain disagreements may exist regarding the instruments and tactics," he explained. "Now we are speaking about a combination of various formats in order to compare notes, to hold discussions and try to find the common ground," Peskov said.

Syria summit of Russian, German, French, Turkish leaders begins in Istanbul

They can talk all they want............the Hate for each other from many groups is extreme..............

Perhaps they can find a way out of it..............but given 7 years plus of War........will be very tough.

Trying to solve the conflict diplomatically is a lot better than bombing civilians, don't you think?

Those talks have just started, let's see what they figure out all together.

 

[eagle1462010]

Putin admits Russian military presence in Ukraine for first time

A quote from your link:
Putin said: “We never said there were not people there who carried out certain tasks including in the military sphere.” He insisted this was not the same as regular Russian troops.

Where did Putin admitted his military presence? It was just a spin from Guardian. I have listened to ALL Putin's speeches and interviews. He kept saying there were Russian citizens who went to support (it's a big difference with regular Russian troops)their relatives and friends in Donbass when Kiev started the war against its own people. Was Putin supposed to stop them? What you, Western people, DO NOT understand is that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people artificially separated. So Ukrainians have families in Russia and visa versa.

FYI, there were Georgians, Lithuanians, Americans etc. fighting against Donbass civilians just because they did not support American invasion and voted for separation from Ukraine after the coup. That what you have to pay attention to: Kiev came to Donbass to kill their civilians, and that is called genocide.
Dangerous Propaganda: Network Close To NATO Military Leader Fueled Ukraine Conflict - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International


Americans have been carefully shielded from the ugly underbelly of Ukraine’s Maidan uprising in 2014 that overthrew the elected president and installed a U.S.-backed, fiercely anti-Russian regime which has unleashed armed neo-Nazis. But a French documentary has dared to expose this grim reality, as Gilbert Doctorow describes.
A Look at Ukraine's Dark Side

Military advisers...........we know what that means...............neither side is squeaky clean............Please don't say that isn't the case...................that isn't realistic.....

And there are no real solutions to the shit hole in Syria either...............it is a mess............so let's call each other names and avoid the situation there..................

I'll be quite honest..........I don't know any real solution to what I'm seeing there. Other than killing ISIS and getting the fuck out.............but in that..........we abandon the Kurds...............and there are a whole lot of them there now............If the powers to be decide to kill them after we leave.................They aren't going down without a fight.............they have been killed by everyone...........and are some of the toughest fighters in the neighborhood now.........why Turkey wants them dead so bad................and Syria.......Iraq.............Iran.............they all were used to killing them without casualties for so long they don't know what to do when they get their asses handed to them by the Kurds now.............it's a mess.

Looks like something may come out of this:

ISTANBUL, October 27. /TASS/. Leaders of Russia, Germany, France and Turkey have begun four-party talks on Syria in Istanbul’s Vahdettin Pavilion, an official residence of Turkey’s president and a state guest house.

The Kremlin had reported earlier that the four-party talks in Istanbul were expected to focus on the political solution to the Syria crisis, on further steps strengthening security and stability, on conditions for the return of refugees and on restoration of the country’s social and economic infrastructure.

UN Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura, who will step down in late November, is scheduled to brief the summit’s participants. De Mistura said earlier that he wants to remind the four leaders that after localizing the problem in Idlib, an international consensus is necessary to support UN actions on establishing a constitutional committee.

Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov acknowledged that the countries have different approaches, but noted that "overall everybody wants to see a political solution in Syria."

"That is a common goal, while certain disagreements may exist regarding the instruments and tactics," he explained. "Now we are speaking about a combination of various formats in order to compare notes, to hold discussions and try to find the common ground," Peskov said.

Syria summit of Russian, German, French, Turkish leaders begins in Istanbul

They can talk all they want............the Hate for each other from many groups is extreme..............

Perhaps they can find a way out of it..............but given 7 years plus of War........will be very tough.

Trying to solve the conflict diplomatically is a lot better than bombing civilians, don't you think?

Those talks have just started, let's see what they figure out all together.

Of course.......we'll see what they come up with.......betcha they feed the Kurds to the wolves..........

 

[Eugene]

A quote from your link:
Putin said: “We never said there were not people there who carried out certain tasks including in the military sphere.” He insisted this was not the same as regular Russian troops.

Where did Putin admitted his military presence? It was just a spin from Guardian. I have listened to ALL Putin's speeches and interviews. He kept saying there were Russian citizens who went to support (it's a big difference with regular Russian troops)their relatives and friends in Donbass when Kiev started the war against its own people. Was Putin supposed to stop them? What you, Western people, DO NOT understand is that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people artificially separated. So Ukrainians have families in Russia and visa versa.

FYI, there were Georgians, Lithuanians, Americans etc. fighting against Donbass civilians just because they did not support American invasion and voted for separation from Ukraine after the coup. That what you have to pay attention to: Kiev came to Donbass to kill their civilians, and that is called genocide.
Dangerous Propaganda: Network Close To NATO Military Leader Fueled Ukraine Conflict - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International


Americans have been carefully shielded from the ugly underbelly of Ukraine’s Maidan uprising in 2014 that overthrew the elected president and installed a U.S.-backed, fiercely anti-Russian regime which has unleashed armed neo-Nazis. But a French documentary has dared to expose this grim reality, as Gilbert Doctorow describes.
A Look at Ukraine's Dark Side

Military advisers...........we know what that means...............neither side is squeaky clean............Please don't say that isn't the case...................that isn't realistic.....

And there are no real solutions to the shit hole in Syria either...............it is a mess............so let's call each other names and avoid the situation there..................

I'll be quite honest..........I don't know any real solution to what I'm seeing there. Other than killing ISIS and getting the fuck out.............but in that..........we abandon the Kurds...............and there are a whole lot of them there now............If the powers to be decide to kill them after we leave.................They aren't going down without a fight.............they have been killed by everyone...........and are some of the toughest fighters in the neighborhood now.........why Turkey wants them dead so bad................and Syria.......Iraq.............Iran.............they all were used to killing them without casualties for so long they don't know what to do when they get their asses handed to them by the Kurds now.............it's a mess.

Looks like something may come out of this:

ISTANBUL, October 27. /TASS/. Leaders of Russia, Germany, France and Turkey have begun four-party talks on Syria in Istanbul’s Vahdettin Pavilion, an official residence of Turkey’s president and a state guest house.

The Kremlin had reported earlier that the four-party talks in Istanbul were expected to focus on the political solution to the Syria crisis, on further steps strengthening security and stability, on conditions for the return of refugees and on restoration of the country’s social and economic infrastructure.

UN Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura, who will step down in late November, is scheduled to brief the summit’s participants. De Mistura said earlier that he wants to remind the four leaders that after localizing the problem in Idlib, an international consensus is necessary to support UN actions on establishing a constitutional committee.

Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov acknowledged that the countries have different approaches, but noted that "overall everybody wants to see a political solution in Syria."

"That is a common goal, while certain disagreements may exist regarding the instruments and tactics," he explained. "Now we are speaking about a combination of various formats in order to compare notes, to hold discussions and try to find the common ground," Peskov said.

Syria summit of Russian, German, French, Turkish leaders begins in Istanbul

They can talk all they want............the Hate for each other from many groups is extreme..............

Perhaps they can find a way out of it..............but given 7 years plus of War........will be very tough.

Trying to solve the conflict diplomatically is a lot better than bombing civilians, don't you think?

Those talks have just started, let's see what they figure out all together.

Of course.......we'll see what they come up with.......betcha they feed the Kurds to the wolves..........

What Kurds do you mean? Those backed by USA?
If they are not idiots they could ask Russia for help in relations to Turkey. It is exactly what is done by the
Reconciliation Center for Syria.

 

[eagle1462010]

Military advisers...........we know what that means...............neither side is squeaky clean............Please don't say that isn't the case...................that isn't realistic.....

And there are no real solutions to the shit hole in Syria either...............it is a mess............so let's call each other names and avoid the situation there..................

I'll be quite honest..........I don't know any real solution to what I'm seeing there. Other than killing ISIS and getting the fuck out.............but in that..........we abandon the Kurds...............and there are a whole lot of them there now............If the powers to be decide to kill them after we leave.................They aren't going down without a fight.............they have been killed by everyone...........and are some of the toughest fighters in the neighborhood now.........why Turkey wants them dead so bad................and Syria.......Iraq.............Iran.............they all were used to killing them without casualties for so long they don't know what to do when they get their asses handed to them by the Kurds now.............it's a mess.

Looks like something may come out of this:

ISTANBUL, October 27. /TASS/. Leaders of Russia, Germany, France and Turkey have begun four-party talks on Syria in Istanbul’s Vahdettin Pavilion, an official residence of Turkey’s president and a state guest house.

The Kremlin had reported earlier that the four-party talks in Istanbul were expected to focus on the political solution to the Syria crisis, on further steps strengthening security and stability, on conditions for the return of refugees and on restoration of the country’s social and economic infrastructure.

UN Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura, who will step down in late November, is scheduled to brief the summit’s participants. De Mistura said earlier that he wants to remind the four leaders that after localizing the problem in Idlib, an international consensus is necessary to support UN actions on establishing a constitutional committee.

Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov acknowledged that the countries have different approaches, but noted that "overall everybody wants to see a political solution in Syria."

"That is a common goal, while certain disagreements may exist regarding the instruments and tactics," he explained. "Now we are speaking about a combination of various formats in order to compare notes, to hold discussions and try to find the common ground," Peskov said.

Syria summit of Russian, German, French, Turkish leaders begins in Istanbul

They can talk all they want............the Hate for each other from many groups is extreme..............

Perhaps they can find a way out of it..............but given 7 years plus of War........will be very tough.

Trying to solve the conflict diplomatically is a lot better than bombing civilians, don't you think?

Those talks have just started, let's see what they figure out all together.

Of course.......we'll see what they come up with.......betcha they feed the Kurds to the wolves..........

What Kurds do you mean? Those backed by USA?
If they are not idiots they could ask Russia for help in relations to Turkey. It is exactly what is done by the
Reconciliation Center for Syria.

They tried to deal with Assad.........said they'd support Assad if he and Syria would recognize them and give them a voice in the country...........All they want is a place to live and not persecuted................Assad didn't agree with them............

There are 20 million of them in Syria, Iraq, Iran.............and all 3 countries have historically killed them........Turkey hates them even though most of Turkey are Kurdish.........which is exactly why Turkey doesn't want them there....and kills them too..........

They have killed probably more ISIS than any other group in the region.........Some of the toughest fighters in the region. Why..........because they have learned fight or die.............in this region.