Why socialism fails

[Rustic]

Krugman is a dolt...

Krugman keeps a keen eye on excessive off-shoring of White Collar careers and Business Visas.

...and he's clueless

In terms of Marx's theory you're clueless.
He was not a fan of any particular phase.

Marx's theory whatever phase has proven to be an failure...
Lol

^^Brainwashed functional moron^^. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, communism NEVER, and basically DEAD.

Socialism is only for fools...

 

[ScienceRocks]

lol, another dumb post.

So you don't like being taxed for the road you drive on?
You don't like regulations that keep our air, water and food clean, fresh and disease free?
You think we shouldn't ever invest into the betterment of our nation???

Of course, if we spend all the money or tax the producer too much what you say may come to pass,,,but goddamn lets be real.

Oh Noeeessss!!111!!!!!! Burning Strawman Alert!!!!!!!!

lOSERTERIANSIM IS RETAARDED AS IT IS BASED ON CUTTING EVERYTHING AND FUCK LEADERSHIP. You're a burning pile of shit.

 

[francoHFW]

The more socialist this country becomes, millions more people suffer the living hell that is socialism...

Bernie is trying to sell socialism based upon countries like Denmark.

Well Denmark is smaller than some US states, neither of which has to maintain a standing army to be the world's policeman for which US states and Denmark depend. In addition, the size of the economies of the US and these smaller European countries are not even close. Simply put, the more money and power the more corruption there is. The US has driven up the highest debt in human history, and they want them to take on more? The US is now forced to grow it's economy to pay for the massive debt it has created, not embrace socialism which will shrink the economy.

The Amish are a good example of how well socialism works. They may as well compare the Amish to the US federal government.

Population has nothing to do with it, actually, but what about Japan, Germany, or France or UK? Spurious argument.

The population dictates how much the pot of money they collect is for socialism. The larger the pot of money, the more corrupt the system potentially is.

Also, the larger the population the less control voters have over those who are running things. If you were voting, would your vote count more if there were 100 people in the country or 1 million? Also, representative in far away Washington DC are not as good of a representative as those in your state. Those who live where you do are more accessible and are more apt to fulfill your needs. And lastly, who can attend to individual needs of all 50 states better than the representatives of those given states? Face it, population size matters when it comes to representation. The more local your representatives are the more of a voice you have. So socialism within a given community or state is more preferable to the massive federal model Bernie wishes to impose on us all.

If you had not noticed, the country is divided. Is it preferable to force half the country your direction or is self determination with the power of the vote better? Do you or do you not advocate democracy?

Duh. And everyone in the world beside Pub dupes know that socialism is ALWAYS DEMOCRATIC, AND NOT COMMUNISM.

Really?
Cuba became a one-party republic and the Communist party became the official political party.

Perfect illustration of the diff between soc. and comm. FERCHRISSAKE, DINGBAT.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Government spending doesn't fail. Shifting everything to the private sector and running a surplus for extended periods does fail though..

 

[boedicca]

lol, another dumb post.

So you don't like being taxed for the road you drive on?
You don't like regulations that keep our air, water and food clean, fresh and disease free?
You think we shouldn't ever invest into the betterment of our nation???

Of course, if we spend all the money or tax the producer too much what you say may come to pass,,,but goddamn lets be real.

Oh Noeeessss!!111!!!!!! Burning Strawman Alert!!!!!!!!

lOSERTERIANSIM IS RETAARDED AS IT IS BASED ON CUTTING EVERYTHING AND FUCK LEADERSHIP. You're a burning pile of shit.

I am rubber
You are glue
Everything vile you say
Bounces off me
And sticks to you

So there.

 

[francoHFW]

'Why socialism fails'

They run out of other people's money....
There is also no incentive to work hard, to do your best, and to 'succeed'.

That's communism, brainwashed functional MORON.

Both systems run out of other people's money.
The primary difference between the two is that communism is both an economic and political system, while socialism is only an economic system, and as such can exist within a number of political systems or even within parts of a larger economic system, such as capitalism.

As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively and that control over the distribution of resources is centralized to achieve both classlessness and statelessness. Under communism, As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively and that control over the distribution of resources is centralized to achieve both classlessness and statelessness. Under communism, all people are considered equal and are provided for equally, regardless of their contributions to the economy or to society.

Listen to Bernie Sanders this is what he is for.

Jeebus what a brainwashed functional moron. Socialism is fair capitalism. Communism is a failed totalitarian system that only exists, to a point, in Cuba, China, and Vietnam, and dying if not dead. N. Korea is the only true communist country left, poor things.

Seems you are the brainwashed one.

Me, Masters in History, you, masters in RW propaganda.

 

[BluesLegend]

'Why socialism fails'

They run out of other people's money....
There is also no incentive to work hard, to do your best, and to 'succeed'.

That's communism, brainwashed functional MORON.

Both systems run out of other people's money.
The primary difference between the two is that communism is both an economic and political system, while socialism is only an economic system, and as such can exist within a number of political systems or even within parts of a larger economic system, such as capitalism.

As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively and that control over the distribution of resources is centralized to achieve both classlessness and statelessness. Under communism, As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively and that control over the distribution of resources is centralized to achieve both classlessness and statelessness. Under communism, all people are considered equal and are provided for equally, regardless of their contributions to the economy or to society.

Listen to Bernie Sanders this is what he is for.

Jeebus what a brainwashed functional moron. Socialism is fair capitalism. Communism is a failed totalitarian system that only exists, to a point, in Cuba, China, and Vietnam, and dying if not dead. N. Korea is the only true communist country left, poor things.

Seems you are the brainwashed one.

Me, Masters in History, you, masters in RW propaganda.

I doubt someone can earn a masters degree on a 48 hour psyche ward hold, well maybe over multiple visits.

 

[Indeependent]

"We're all socialists now!"- Finland PM when ACA passed.

NOT COMMUNISM, ya gd functional MORONS. Ay caramba.

Socialism is the step to Communism. Quote from Karl Marx.

And Communism is the step to Capitalism.
Quote from Karl Marx.

The only step to communism so far is corrupt capitalist fascism and violent revolution, dingbat. Marx didn't see unions and the embourgeoisement of the lower classes. Now being dismantled by the idiot New BS GOP. Marx was a twerp. Communism is dead, socialism is the final and best form of gov't. ALWAYS democratic and fair capitalism, dupe.

You are incorrect if you think Socialism cannot lead to phony Communism, which is actually Totalitarianism.

 

[peach174]

'Why socialism fails'

They run out of other people's money....
There is also no incentive to work hard, to do your best, and to 'succeed'.

That's communism, brainwashed functional MORON.

Both systems run out of other people's money.
The primary difference between the two is that communism is both an economic and political system, while socialism is only an economic system, and as such can exist within a number of political systems or even within parts of a larger economic system, such as capitalism.

As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively and that control over the distribution of resources is centralized to achieve both classlessness and statelessness. Under communism, As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively and that control over the distribution of resources is centralized to achieve both classlessness and statelessness. Under communism, all people are considered equal and are provided for equally, regardless of their contributions to the economy or to society.

Listen to Bernie Sanders this is what he is for.

Jeebus what a brainwashed functional moron. Socialism is fair capitalism. Communism is a failed totalitarian system that only exists, to a point, in Cuba, China, and Vietnam, and dying if not dead. N. Korea is the only true communist country left, poor things.

Seems you are the brainwashed one.

Me, Masters in History, you, masters in RW propaganda.

Me Minors in history with 50 plus years of continual reading of history.

You should look at yourself with your own LW propaganda.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Krugman keeps a keen eye on excessive off-shoring of White Collar careers and Business Visas.

...and he's clueless

In terms of Marx's theory you're clueless.
He was not a fan of any particular phase.

Marx's theory whatever phase has proven to be an failure...
Lol

^^Brainwashed functional moron^^. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, communism NEVER, and basically DEAD.

Socialism is only for fools...

We wouldn't even have a middle class if the big corps were allowed to take all the wealth and buy out the competition as they did in the 19th century. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand any economic history, wouldn't I!

The real killer of the middle class today is many factors
-We're not enforcing those anti-trust laws. So walmart, google, etc can buy out all the competition.
-Our trade deals have allowed for all of our good jobs to move oversea's.
-We've destroyed most of our unions and left the worker with little ability to demand better.

Just a few things that we had 50 years ago when we had that powerful middle class. Of course, if we tax the mega rich one cent more = you bitch. You must be a rich mother fucker to feel the way you do.

 

[Debra K]

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience

Really? Then why are so so-called anti-socialism people (those who associate themselves with the right wing conservative political branch) always working to impose their senses of morality on everyone else in society through the operation of our laws?

Why are the moral busybodies in the right wing so obsessed with controlling the individual reproductive choices of women, excluding homosexuals from enjoying civil rights, carving out exceptions for themselves from generally applicable laws, etc.? The true tyrants are hypocrites. The oppressors in this nation falsely claim to be the victims of oppression.

 

[Rustic]

...and he's clueless

In terms of Marx's theory you're clueless.
He was not a fan of any particular phase.

Marx's theory whatever phase has proven to be an failure...
Lol

^^Brainwashed functional moron^^. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, communism NEVER, and basically DEAD.

Socialism is only for fools...

We wouldn't even have a middle class if the big corps were allowed to take all the wealth and buy out the competition as they did in the 19th century. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand any economic history, wouldn't I!

The real killer of the middle class today is many factors
-We're not enforcing those anti-trust laws. So walmart, google, etc can buy out all the competition.
-Our trade deals have allowed for all of our good jobs to move oversea's.
-We've destroyed most of our unions and left the worker with little ability to demand better.

Just a few things that we had 50 years ago when we had that powerful middle class. Of course, if we tax the mega rich one cent more = you bitch. You must be a rich mother fucker to feel the way you do.

Blame people looking for always cheaper prices on goods, at places like Walmart.
Unions have priced businesses out of this country, right to work was a necessity.
I sell a shit load of guns and ammo every time a career politician opens their mouth...

 

[peach174]

...and he's clueless

In terms of Marx's theory you're clueless.
He was not a fan of any particular phase.

Marx's theory whatever phase has proven to be an failure...
Lol

^^Brainwashed functional moron^^. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, communism NEVER, and basically DEAD.

Socialism is only for fools...

We wouldn't even have a middle class if the big corps were allowed to take all the wealth and buy out the competition as they did in the 19th century. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand any economic history, wouldn't I!

The real killer of the middle class today is many factors
-We're not enforcing those anti-trust laws. So walmart, google, etc can buy out all the competition.
-Our trade deals have allowed for all of our good jobs to move oversea's.
-We've destroyed most of our unions and left the worker with little ability to demand better.

Just a few things that we had 50 years ago when we had that powerful middle class. Of course, if we tax the mega rich one cent more = you bitch. You must be a rich mother fucker to feel the way you do.

What part of you tax the rich more, the rich move away and large amounts of tax revenue disappears are you not getting?
The French have not learned this lesson and they keep doing it too.

The real killer of the middle class is the government.

Health care costs have doubled. Thanks to our Government.
College costs has risen mainly due to teachers pensions again government.
The Housing Bubble again government.

Then they use the numbers game of lower incomes of 50,00.00 or less mixed in with those getting government assistance where most of them are in the 30,00.00 to 34,00.00 range and that stays the same because they don't get a cost of inflation adjustment from the welfare programs.
Same with SS for Seniors. They get inflation adjustment based on growth, but that extra goes for rise each year in health care so you still the same amount of check.

 

[francoHFW]

"We're all socialists now!"- Finland PM when ACA passed.

NOT COMMUNISM, ya gd functional MORONS. Ay caramba.

Socialism is the step to Communism. Quote from Karl Marx.

And Communism is the step to Capitalism.
Quote from Karl Marx.

The only step to communism so far is corrupt capitalist fascism and violent revolution, dingbat. Marx didn't see unions and the embourgeoisement of the lower classes. Now being dismantled by the idiot New BS GOP. Marx was a twerp. Communism is dead, socialism is the final and best form of gov't. ALWAYS democratic and fair capitalism, dupe.

You are incorrect if you think Socialism cannot lead to phony Communism, which is actually Totalitarianism.

Not without a violent revolution, and it's never happened, dupe.

 

[peach174]

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience

Really? Then why are so so-called anti-socialism people (those who associate themselves with the right wing conservative political branch) always working to impose their senses of morality on everyone else in society through the operation of our laws?

Why are the moral busybodies in the right wing so obsessed with controlling the individual reproductive choices of women, excluding homosexuals from enjoying civil rights, carving out exceptions for themselves from generally applicable laws, etc.? The true tyrants are hypocrites. The oppressors in this nation falsely claim to be the victims of oppression.

Why does any woman need an abortion after 20 weeks?

 

[Indeependent]

In terms of Marx's theory you're clueless.
He was not a fan of any particular phase.

Marx's theory whatever phase has proven to be an failure...
Lol

^^Brainwashed functional moron^^. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, communism NEVER, and basically DEAD.

Socialism is only for fools...

We wouldn't even have a middle class if the big corps were allowed to take all the wealth and buy out the competition as they did in the 19th century. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand any economic history, wouldn't I!

The real killer of the middle class today is many factors
-We're not enforcing those anti-trust laws. So walmart, google, etc can buy out all the competition.
-Our trade deals have allowed for all of our good jobs to move oversea's.
-We've destroyed most of our unions and left the worker with little ability to demand better.

Just a few things that we had 50 years ago when we had that powerful middle class. Of course, if we tax the mega rich one cent more = you bitch. You must be a rich mother fucker to feel the way you do.

Blame people looking for always cheaper prices on goods, a places like Walmart.
Unions have priced businesses out of this country, right to work was a necessity.
I sell a shit load of guns and ammo every time a career politician opens their mouth...

No nation is naturally Open Borders; it takes legislation to do that and Big Money gets what Big Money pays for.
The US is by far the most self destructive Open Borders nation in terms of off-shoring and especially Business Visas.

 

[Indeependent]

"We're all socialists now!"- Finland PM when ACA passed.

NOT COMMUNISM, ya gd functional MORONS. Ay caramba.

Socialism is the step to Communism. Quote from Karl Marx.

And Communism is the step to Capitalism.
Quote from Karl Marx.

The only step to communism so far is corrupt capitalist fascism and violent revolution, dingbat. Marx didn't see unions and the embourgeoisement of the lower classes. Now being dismantled by the idiot New BS GOP. Marx was a twerp. Communism is dead, socialism is the final and best form of gov't. ALWAYS democratic and fair capitalism, dupe.

You are incorrect if you think Socialism cannot lead to phony Communism, which is actually Totalitarianism.

Not without a violent revolution, and it's never happened, dupe.

There's NEVER been a violent revolution?
EVER?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Socialism is the step to Communism. Quote from Karl Marx.

And Communism is the step to Capitalism.
Quote from Karl Marx.

The only step to communism so far is corrupt capitalist fascism and violent revolution, dingbat. Marx didn't see unions and the embourgeoisement of the lower classes. Now being dismantled by the idiot New BS GOP. Marx was a twerp. Communism is dead, socialism is the final and best form of gov't. ALWAYS democratic and fair capitalism, dupe.

You are incorrect if you think Socialism cannot lead to phony Communism, which is actually Totalitarianism.

Not without a violent revolution, and it's never happened, dupe.

There's NEVER been a violent revolution?
EVER?

Thinking...thinking some more...uhm 1776?

 

[Indeependent]

And Communism is the step to Capitalism.
Quote from Karl Marx.

The only step to communism so far is corrupt capitalist fascism and violent revolution, dingbat. Marx didn't see unions and the embourgeoisement of the lower classes. Now being dismantled by the idiot New BS GOP. Marx was a twerp. Communism is dead, socialism is the final and best form of gov't. ALWAYS democratic and fair capitalism, dupe.

You are incorrect if you think Socialism cannot lead to phony Communism, which is actually Totalitarianism.

Not without a violent revolution, and it's never happened, dupe.

There's NEVER been a violent revolution?
EVER?

Thinking...thinking some more...uhm 1776?

You can't make this shit up.

 

[francoHFW]

In terms of Marx's theory you're clueless.
He was not a fan of any particular phase.

Marx's theory whatever phase has proven to be an failure...
Lol

^^Brainwashed functional moron^^. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic, communism NEVER, and basically DEAD.

Socialism is only for fools...

We wouldn't even have a middle class if the big corps were allowed to take all the wealth and buy out the competition as they did in the 19th century. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand any economic history, wouldn't I!

The real killer of the middle class today is many factors
-We're not enforcing those anti-trust laws. So walmart, google, etc can buy out all the competition.
-Our trade deals have allowed for all of our good jobs to move oversea's.
-We've destroyed most of our unions and left the worker with little ability to demand better.

Just a few things that we had 50 years ago when we had that powerful middle class. Of course, if we tax the mega rich one cent more = you bitch. You must be a rich mother fucker to feel the way you do.

Blame people looking for always cheaper prices on goods, a places like Walmart.
Unions have priced businesses out of this country, right to work was a necessity.
I sell a shit load of guns and ammo every time a career politician opens their mouth...

Of course as the GOP has wrecked the nonrich and the country the last 30 years, see sig, Walmart and other corps selling cheap stuff have prospered. See Dollar stores and all the other big boxes. Great job, Pubs, turning us into a banana republic. God Save the Greedy Idiot Rich, feq the nation. A-holes and silly dupes....